Kings Lynn V Belle Vue 16/4

[semion]

A little club in terms of Silver ware and success. No match for The Belle Vues and all conquering Pirates. It's sometime nice to be invited to dine at the big table.

[Daniel Smith]

I'm quite astonished that a couple of Swindon fans are calling us a win at all costs club / fans. That is laughable to be fair.

No other club or fans have had any issues at all and that says far more to me.

 

I think we're a pretty level headed bunch of fans

 

Here's the thing though. When the rankings of the draft riders were introduced I think what we got was very very fair to the rest of the league and that's why they agreed to it

 

Lewis Kerr topped the list of 23. Lewis Rose was 20th on the list of 23 riders. Seeing as the are 10 teams we got the best and worst from the top 20 so what really is the problem?????

[orion]

I'm quite astonished that a couple of Swindon fans are calling us a win at all costs club / fans. That is laughable to be fair.

No other club or fans have had any issues at all and that says far more to me.

 

I think we're a pretty level headed bunch of fans

 

Here's the thing though. When the rankings of the draft riders were introduced I think what we got was very very fair to the rest of the league and that's why they agreed to it

 

Lewis Kerr topped the list of 23. Lewis Rose was 20th on the list of 23 riders. Seeing as the are 10 teams we got the best and worst from the top 20 so what really is the problem?????

First of all yet again the problem is with the rule not Kings Lynn that been explain 5 times .. by the way I don'tthink aces 51 is a Swindon fan. I think there is a clue in his name to what teams he follows .

 

Yet again the problem have been explained about 5 times is that the champions got the first pick (best rider ) in the draft the moment that happens the rule is a unfair joke ... also if the draft had been done fairly you would not have got Lewis Kerr ..it's not hard to follow the logic ,

Edited April 17, 2014 by orion

[HadrianDog]

I'm quite astonished that a couple of Swindon fans are calling us a win at all costs club / fans. That is laughable to be fair.

No other club or fans have had any issues at all and that says far more to me.

 

I think we're a pretty level headed bunch of fans

 

Here's the thing though. When the rankings of the draft riders were introduced I think what we got was very very fair to the rest of the league and that's why they agreed to it

 

Lewis Kerr topped the list of 23. Lewis Rose was 20th on the list of 23 riders. Seeing as the are 10 teams we got the best and worst from the top 20 so what really is the problem?????

 

From a Diamonds point of view you have two of our riders [ regs not withstanding} who we signed prior to you and are now restricted from riding for us thanks to another ruling made purely to benefit the EL. I wish them both well, but wish that the effort shown by Swindon in helping Stevie W. make BOTH his prior commitments had been forthcoming from KL.

[Bagpuss]

 

From a Diamonds point of view you have two of our riders [ regs not withstanding} who we signed prior to you and are now restricted from riding for us thanks to another ruling made purely to benefit the EL. I wish them both well, but wish that the effort shown by Swindon in helping Stevie W. make BOTH his prior commitments had been forthcoming from KL.

How do you know that it wasn't considered? There are four and a half hours between start times and according to Google Maps the journey takes two and three quarter hours without allowing for Bank Holiday traffic. Was never a realistic option to do both meetings IMO.

Baggy I saw a bit of Rose last season and there looked a huge amount of improvement in him. So this season Kings Lynn appear to have the drop on other clubs. Next season who knows which club will benefit the most.

I agree, he has always looked like he's got something about him but I didn't envisage him doing so well so quickly. His gating and on track composure is excellent for one so inexperienced. Edited April 18, 2014 by Bagpuss

[g13webb]

How can KL be a little club ? they own there stadium so in terms of money they can make that makes them a massive club ..People are pissed off with the rule not KL .Thou the KL fans we are all right jack attitude will no doubt not go down well .

 

I think we are all getting carried away here, and thread now reeks of jealousy of the standing of the Lynn Stars. The Elite league this year, 2014, Is not just about Draft riders, it is about survival. Draft riders were included to bring down the cost of promoting this sport. We as a club have been running a second team purely to give the young , new riders the opportunity to progress. This principal was to benefit Kings Lynn in the future when these riders improve to Elite status. The idea of all this was because the Stars were thinking of the future and for the good of the sport.

 

During this time Buster could have spent his money differently and wasted it, on top riders just to buy success that will evidently kills off the opposition and the sport. Nobody likes a 'Money' club . But Buster has done it right. Now you are saying, because the league are incorporating draft riders into each team, Buster has to lose the riders he has nourished over the years because other teams didn't think it was important. Talk about Sour grape.

 

I except Lynn are now in a fortunate position this year and have assembled a team capable of winning. So good luck to them, they have done it the right way. The crowds are coming back, the excitement of watching these young riders, the environment it creates, everything about it feels right.

Instead of pillaring the club and the fairness of the Draft system, aim your discontentment towards the BSPA and about the way they run our sport. How can clubs/people plan ahead when no-one knows what is happening next year. The 3 leagues cannot even work together on a draft system. Isn't it about time we had a structure in place for all the leagues to have a united front and promote the sport forward, when thinking ahead was of paramount importance.

 

Everyone would then know what the future held..

[lynnboy]

I have been reading this with interest may I just ask what all the clubs doing to bring on the next bunch of graded riders ? I don't see Swindon helping develop any new talent ? I also don't agree with what Kingslynn are doing this year with there young stars. not many are young assets and most have been around years. If all the clubs have agreed to bringing on young riders why are not all clubs doing this? They could all be running junior races after every meeting and helping bring talent on. Also Lewis Rose is very dedicated and will rise very quickly looks so smooth this year and not making the mistakes he was making last year. Might have something to do with building a mini speedway track in his garden that's dedication for you !!!

[hyderd]

I have been reading this with interest may I just ask what all the clubs doing to bring on the next bunch of graded riders ? I don't see Swindon helping develop any new talent ? I also don't agree with what Kingslynn are doing this year with there young stars. not many are young assets and most have been around years. If all the clubs have agreed to bringing on young riders why are not all clubs doing this? They could all be running junior races after every meeting and helping bring talent on. Also Lewis Rose is very dedicated and will rise very quickly looks so smooth this year and not making the mistakes he was making last year. Might have something to do with building a mini speedway track in his garden that's dedication for you !!!

 

Must be some Garden.

[B.V 72]

I think people have a problem with the draft pick and not with Kings lynn.(look at the problem as a whole and not as a Lynn fan)The way things have gone with assets etc it is fair to King Lynn that they have got the riders that they have spent time and money on but not fair on the rest of the teams.By the so called fair draft pick rules is it fair that the league winners of last year who should have had last pick end up with who i m o is the best reserve in Newman ?

If you are going to call it a draft pick the only way it can be fair to all clubs is if all the riders in it are available to be picked by all the clubs.Next year will show how flawed the draft pick is as clubs including mine are already starting to buy young riders for the pick next year.

So this opens up the system to the money clubs winning again.Say rose has a great season and becomes the best rider in the pick next year what is stopping say Poole offering this rider a far better deal than Lynn can match and he leaves after the time and money lynn have put into him will you see the draft as being fair then(i know you could lose him to the draft any way but he would go to a team that needs to be strengthened and not to an already strong team that has the money to buy him).In a way this has already happened up until last year Garrity was a Belle vue asset and for what ever reason he wanted to leave and go to Rye house but i would think that they offered him a package that was more than Belle vue could or were not willing to match.All people are saying is that if every rider is in the draft it is fair for every club but the way things are going like all sports the system is flawed and is open for the money clubs to come out on top again.

[g13webb]

I think people have a problem with the draft pick and not with Kings lynn.(look at the problem as a whole and not as a Lynn fan)The way things have gone with assets etc it is fair to King Lynn that they have got the riders that they have spent time and money on but not fair on the rest of the teams.By the so called fair draft pick rules is it fair that the league winners of last year who should have had last pick end up with who i m o is the best reserve in Newman ?

If you are going to call it a draft pick the only way it can be fair to all clubs is if all the riders in it are available to be picked by all the clubs.Next year will show how flawed the draft pick is as clubs including mine are already starting to buy young riders for the pick next year.

So this opens up the system to the money clubs winning again.Say rose has a great season and becomes the best rider in the pick next year what is stopping say Poole offering this rider a far better deal than Lynn can match and he leaves after the time and money lynn have put into him will you see the draft as being fair then(i know you could lose him to the draft any way but he would go to a team that needs to be strengthened and not to an already strong team that has the money to buy him).In a way this has already happened up until last year Garrity was a Belle vue asset and for what ever reason he wanted to leave and go to Rye house but i would think that they offered him a package that was more than Belle vue could or were not willing to match.All people are saying is that if every rider is in the draft it is fair for every club but the way things are going like all sports the system is flawed and is open for the money clubs to come out on top again.

 

Like I said in post No 90 I believe all the problem have to lay at the BSPA door. I understand the idea of a draft system, but long term it can never work for the reasons you outlined above. Firstly we need all the league teams to be working together, that's all the clubs from all three leagues. Forget the draft system, but implement a progression through the leagues system. eg, Each Elite team must field a British PL rider at 6 and a British NL rider at 7; Each PL must run British NL rider at 7.. There would be no need for a new League format and all CMA would have been representative of the riders ability.

 

There would be a continuality for both teams and riders, without losing the original concept we had.

[B.V 72]

 

Like I said in post No 90 I believe all the problem have to lay at the BSPA door. I understand the idea of a draft system, but long term it can never work for the reasons you outlined above. Firstly we need all the league teams to be working together, that's all the clubs from all three leagues. Forget the draft system, but implement a progression through the leagues system. eg, Each Elite team must field a British PL rider at 6 and a British NL rider at 7; Each PL must run British NL rider at 7.. There would be no need for a new League format and all CMA would have been representative of the riders ability.

 

There would be a continuality for both teams and riders, without losing the original concept we had.

True things could have be done better but they have chosen to have a draft system and the only way a draft system has any chance to work is if it is fair to all clubs which is an open pick for all clubs.No chance then of the system being manipulated.

[orion]

 

I think we are all getting carried away here, and thread now reeks of jealousy of the standing of the Lynn Stars. The Elite league this year, 2014, Is not just about Draft riders, it is about survival. Draft riders were included to bring down the cost of promoting this sport. We as a club have been running a second team purely to give the young , new riders the opportunity to progress. This principal was to benefit Kings Lynn in the future when these riders improve to Elite status. The idea of all this was because the Stars were thinking of the future and for the good of the sport.

 

During this time Buster could have spent his money differently and wasted it, on top riders just to buy success that will evidently kills off the opposition and the sport. Nobody likes a 'Money' club . But Buster has done it right. Now you are saying, because the league are incorporating draft riders into each team, Buster has to lose the riders he has nourished over the years because other teams didn't think it was important. Talk about Sour grape.

 

I except Lynn are now in a fortunate position this year and have assembled a team capable of winning. So good luck to them, they have done it the right way. The crowds are coming back, the excitement of watching these young riders, the environment it creates, everything about it feels right.

Instead of pillaring the club and the fairness of the Draft system, aim your discontentment towards the BSPA and about the way they run our sport. How can clubs/people plan ahead when no-one knows what is happening next year. The 3 leagues cannot even work together on a draft system. Isn't it about time we had a structure in place for all the leagues to have a united front and promote the sport forward, when thinking ahead was of paramount importance.

 

Everyone would then know what the future held..

This the sort of attitude that I was talking about ...Kings Lynn are doing great so everything is great who cares about anyone else .Rules have always been in place that mean other teams have to loan there assets to other club that is how Speedway works .

 

As I said before you have draft system that is a level playing field or have a system when you all teams can used all there assets with no points limit . No one blames Kings Lynn but your selfish attitude stinks .

[waiheke1]

I thought the meeting was actually quite good, no complaints with the track but when you have it smooth and quite easy to ride you will get FTG races - even in those the result was never certain. Lookiing at the teams and pairing riders with their opposite number, Belle Vue were better at 1&3 (Zagar & Nicholls) with Lynn better in all other positions and I think that is a fair representation of what occurred. The reserves have a huge impact this year given two separate races and 10-2 from those two gives the away side a big uphill battle.

 

For Belle Vue, Reade in particular looked well below the standard of all the rest. I thought Palm Toft did really well and Nicholls was kicking himself for taking the wrong line around the last two bends in heat 10. Didn't like Zagar giving up in heat 11 when last on the 3rd lap(the only race he didn't make the start in) and I'd be telling him so if I was team manager. Cook was again poor and he can't last much longer as one of their top two.

 

For King's Lynn, Bjerre was his usual self, fast from the start, Porsing impressed but the big story was at reserve. The burger and chips were actually quite good as well but I won't be buying a pamphlet next time, will take my own scorecard.

Have to disagree re cook. If u look at the heats, the only extra point you would have exoected him to get wss besting porsing. But around kl you would have expected him to lose out to schlein in one if their clashes. Dont think you eould expect him to best bjerre or nki so he scored bssically as expected. think 2nd/3rd heatleaders are getting a lot of ill deserved criticism this year, when the factis any maintaining their average are doing very well.

[tellboy]

This the sort of attitude that I was talking about ...Kings Lynn are doing great so everything is great who cares about anyone else .Rules have always been in place that mean other teams have to loan there assets to other club that is how Speedway works .

 

 

Yes this is true,but you only loan out assets you don't want surely?No team would say to a rider your our asset,we want to use you this season but we got to let you go it's the rules .You only have to loan your assets out if they are not required by your team.

[orion]

Yes this is true,but you only loan out assets you don't want surely?No team would say to a rider your our asset,we want to use you this season but we got to let you go it's the rules .You only have to loan your assets out if they are not required by your team.

So if there was no draft rule Kerr and Rose would have still been in your side ? I am sure Swindon would be more than Happy to Put there asset Jason Doyle at reserve if the rules allowed it.

Edited April 18, 2014 by orion

[Steve0]

Yes this is true,but you only loan out assets you don't want surely?No team would say to a rider your our asset,we want to use you this season but we got to let you go it's the rules .You only have to loan your assets out if they are not required by your team.

Someone should tell Poole! And try telling that to a Peterborough fan

[Haza]

This the sort of attitude that I was talking about ...Kings Lynn are doing great so everything is great who cares about anyone else .Rules have always been in place that mean other teams have to loan there assets to other club that is how Speedway works .

 

As I said before you have draft system that is a level playing field or have a system when you all teams can used all there assets with no points limit . No one blames Kings Lynn but your selfish attitude stinks .

you make me laugh its pure sour grapes nothing more nothing less .

So if there was no draft rule Kerr and Rose would have still been in your side ? I am sure Swindon would be more than Happy to Put there asset Jason Doyle at reserve if the rules allowed it.

yes that's be a great reserve with Doyel at 6/7 if rules allowed only problem Swindon would be closed down by June cus they couldn't pay there riders - so that would be a great move

[orion]

you make me laugh its pure sour grapes nothing more nothing less .

yes that's be a great reserve with Doyel at 6/7 if rules allowed only problem Swindon would be closed down by June cus they couldn't pay there riders - so that would be a great move

is that all you can say ? sour grapes it's funny because that is what Starman tends to say when can't come up with an answer ...See you are even acting like a Poole Fan now .

[Haza]

is that all you can say ? sour grapes it's funny because that is what Starman tends to say when can't come up with an answer ...See you are even acting like a Poole Fan now .

PML your so funny

[stevebrum]

I am sure Swindon would be more than Happy to Put there asset Jason Doyle at reserve if the rules allowed it.

 

 

Orion classic.