stevebrum Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 so if it was your team / club and your club had helped to produce home grown talent via the NL you'd be more than happy to loan the riders out ? I wondered how long it would be before the moaners started about Kings Lynn 6/7 - sour grapes springs to mind but why not have a word with your club and see about the possibility about your club running NL . That should precisely be the reason why clubs who look after the British youth the chance to have first pick on THEIR assets, Maybe now all EL clubs will have a tie in/link up with NL sides or run NL standard meetings. At least Poole have smelled that coffee early on and linked in with the most pro-active club in regards to pushing youngsters forward. If your club is doing nothing for its future don't expect any hand outs when it comes to drafts. Its fair for all clubs who cant be bothered to look towards the future. Kings Lynn are one such EL club looking after its future and can reap its rewards now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) Fair play to Kings Lynn for running a National Lge team & let's hope now they also buy some top riders as assets rather than loans every season. It just seems hard for clubs to do both & owning your own stadium is a great thing to have. Edited April 17, 2014 by Crazy robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Fair play to Kings Lynn for running a National Lge team & let's hope now they also buy some top riders as assets rather than loans every season. It just seems hard for clubs to do both & owning your own stadium is a great thing to have. 5 of this seasons side are club assets . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 5 of this seasons side are club assets . Fair play but not sure it would be much of a team without Niels & Kenny. It's not a dig but imagine if there was no points limit & teams could go with their own assets in the main team like you have at reserve. You certainly have the odds stacked in your favour & if you don't get to the final it will be one heck of a shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted April 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 No point in signing riders as assets and then not being able to pay them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 No point in signing riders as assets and then not being able to pay them. Couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) I have always been against the theory of 'Money Rules' and strict guide lines needs to be in place to keep the costs in check. The Asset system in operation is flawed with problems and does nothing to enhance the sport only to feather peoples deep pockets...... I have great respect for Buster and feel most of his ideas are for the benefit of the sport. Sure, he is a businessman and wants to run a successful operation so spending big money on owning stars riders has to be questioned. The obvious answer is to bring on youngsters in the hope they will progress. Not only does this enhance the British standing in the sport but it also benefits Kings Lynn in the long run. The situation that Lynn finds themselves in this year, has not been given to Buster, it is something the club has worked hard for, for some time and are now seeing the fruits of their labour. We now have four talented youngster all capable of winning races in the Elite League. When decisions were made about the team strength, Buster and Rob could have gone down the same road as others and brought in decent 2nd strings, but decided to gamble with the young ones and used the points limit wisely. Niels and Kenneth both expressed wishes to ride for Lynn. They enjoy riding for a good club, racing on a decent track, performing to a appreciative crowd, and getting the rewards at the end. If that is more affordable on a loan basis, then what is the point of big purchase. People will say we are lucky that Buster owns the track, but this wasn't given to him and was only achieved through sheer hard work. So instead of people moaning about Lynn Stars, they should look at the whole picture and of what Buster has achieved. If more promoters were like him, the sport would be on much firmer footings. Edited April 17, 2014 by GRW123 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 I have always been against the theory of 'Money Rules' and strict guide lines needs to be in place to keep the costs in check. The Asset system in operation is flawed with problems and does nothing to enhance the sport only to feather peoples deep pockets...... I have great respect for Buster and feel most of his ideas are for the benefit of the sport. Sure, he is a businessman and wants to run a successful operation so spending big money on owning stars riders has to be questioned. The obvious answer is to bring on youngsters in the hope they will progress. Not only does this enhance the British standing in the sport but it also benefits Kings Lynn in the long run. The situation that Lynn finds themselves in this year, has not been given to Buster, it is something the club has worked hard for, for some time and are now seeing the fruits of their labour. We now have four talented youngster all capable of winning races in the Elite League. When decisions were made about the team strength, Buster and Rob could have gone down the same road as others and brought in decent 2nd strings, but decided to gamble with the young ones and used the points limit wisely. Niels and Kenneth both expressed wishes to ride for Lynn. They enjoy riding for a good club, racing on a decent track, performing to a appreciative crowd, and getting the rewards at the end. If that is more affordable on a loan basis, then what is the point of big purchase. People will say we are lucky that Buster owns the track, but this wasn't given to him and was only achieved through sheer hard work. So instead of people moaning about Lynn Stars, they should look at the whole picture and of what Buster has achieved. If more promoters were like him, the sport would be on much firmer footings. 100% agree top post . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) so it's Kings Lynn fault Poole and Belle Vue was losing money at NL leavel ? Kings Lynn have run a NL team for many season I feel at few comments on here based around Kerr and Rose is based on jealously pure and simple . Again others could have run NL teams but didn't - not Kings Lynn fault .Read again your post that I replied to, it may help you to understand what I actually said. why shouldn't bees and Stars use there owns assets both clubs have spent time and money running NL teams whilst others could have but didn't .My reply that Belle Vue and Poole had done but not in 2013 related to your comment that others could have run NL teams but didn't. I have no problem with clubs being entitled to use their own assets. In fact I agree with it because it encourages clubs to invest in youngsters. However, it is a fact of speedway life that not all clubs have the stadium access and financial ability to do so. Enjoy the advantage it has given you but don't decry those clubs who genuinely cannot afford to do so. Edited April 17, 2014 by Aces51 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) so if it was your team / club and your club had helped to produce home grown talent via the NL you'd be more than happy to loan the riders out ? I wondered how long it would be before the moaners started about Kings Lynn 6/7 - sour grapes springs to mind but why not have a word with your club and see about the possibility about your club running NL . Not sour Grapes at all unlike you I look at sport as a whole rather than thinking it's a great and fair rule because you keep getting 5 -1's in heat 2 and 9 . The rule should have been a fair draft of clubs x 2 riders pick from bottom to top or teams being allowed put in what nl they wanted, not this were are ok so sod everyone else . To be fair your post sounds like a Poole fan were OK tough luck on the rest . Edited April 17, 2014 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Not sour Grapes at all unlike you I look at sport as a whole rather than thinking it's a great and fair rule because you keep getting 5 -1's in heat 2 and 9 . The rule should have been a fair draft of clubs x 2 riders pick from bottom to top or teams being allowed put in what nl they wanted, not this were are ok so sod everyone else . To be fair your post sounds like a Poole fan were OK tough luck on the rest . 100% sour grapes pure and simple . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 100% sour grapes pure and simple . No your 100 % win at all costs sod anyone else as long as we win ...as I said go and support Poole your fit in well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) I have always been against the theory of 'Money Rules' and strict guide lines needs to be in place to keep the costs in check. The Asset system in operation is flawed with problems and does nothing to enhance the sport only to feather peoples deep pockets...... I have great respect for Buster and feel most of his ideas are for the benefit of the sport. Sure, he is a businessman and wants to run a successful operation so spending big money on owning stars riders has to be questioned. The obvious answer is to bring on youngsters in the hope they will progress. Not only does this enhance the British standing in the sport but it also benefits Kings Lynn in the long run. The situation that Lynn finds themselves in this year, has not been given to Buster, it is something the club has worked hard for, for some time and are now seeing the fruits of their labour. We now have four talented youngster all capable of winning races in the Elite League. When decisions were made about the team strength, Buster and Rob could have gone down the same road as others and brought in decent 2nd strings, but decided to gamble with the young ones and used the points limit wisely. Niels and Kenneth both expressed wishes to ride for Lynn. They enjoy riding for a good club, racing on a decent track, performing to a appreciative crowd, and getting the rewards at the end. If that is more affordable on a loan basis, then what is the point of big purchase. People will say we are lucky that Buster owns the track, but this wasn't given to him and was only achieved through sheer hard work. So instead of people moaning about Lynn Stars, they should look at the whole picture and of what Buster has achieved. If more promoters were like him, the sport would be on much firmer footings. Do you support Poole? Sounds very much like it! You sure you're not Starman? Oops - just seen the same from Orion to Haza - how is it that we both came to the same conclusion? Because you both sound like Poole fans - but just haven't won anything yet Edited April 17, 2014 by Steve0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 No your 100 % win at all costs sod anyone else as long as we win ...as I said go and support Poole your fit in well . now that's were your argument falls flat on its face win at all costs ? So in Kings Lynn history how many EL or BL titles has the club won ? 0 that's how many so win at all costs fits in well with the club - yes we've won the PL twice , as I say if your team / club had helped to produced two riders like our 6/7 you'd be totally happy to loan one or both out to other clubs ? If you say yes to that question I think you've eaten to many Easter eggs . 2014 just might be the year of the Stars just maybe . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 now that's were your argument falls flat on its face win at all costs ? So in Kings Lynn history how many EL or BL titles has the club won ? 0 that's how many so win at all costs fits in well with the club - yes we've won the PL twice , as I say if your team / club had helped to produced two riders like our 6/7 you'd be totally happy to loan one or both out to other clubs ? If you say yes to that question I think you've eaten to many Easter eggs . 2014 just might be the year of the Stars just maybe . I get the thing you believe about assets (which I don't believe has any legality). However, you either have a draft system that is fair to all or it's not a draft system. How can it be fair that the certain riders in the draft were pre-selected (or reserved)? Anyway, I hope you have a great season and finally win some silverware at the highest level but don't try defending the indefensible and then shouting "sour grapes" - it makes you sound like a Poole fan! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 I get the thing you believe about assets (which I don't believe has any legality). However, you either have a draft system that is fair to all or it's not a draft system. How can it be fair that the certain riders in the draft were pre-selected (or reserved)? Anyway, I hope you have a great season and finally win some silverware at the highest level but don't try defending the indefensible and then shouting "sour grapes" - it makes you sound like a Poole fan! so you'd be totally happy having helped to produce two riders like Kerr and Rose and then loaning them out to other clubs ? You'd be happy with that if that was your club ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) Can see both sides to this argument. As has been said a draft can't be totally fair to all if teams can lay claim to assets, but at the same time those who grow their own should be able to use them. In an ideal world a couple of years notice for teams to produce/sign one reserve each in readiness for the draft would have helped. Unfortunately there appears to be quite a disparity if reserve strengths throughout the EL when really you want ten evenly matched pairings allocated in the fairest way possible. I also think the form of Lewis Rose has made our pairing seem a lot stronger, he has ridden and scored much better than many thought having not even been in the Young Stars 1-7 this time last year and ending the season with quite a modest average...... I don't think too many Stars fans expected him to have scored so many points already in the EL. Edited April 17, 2014 by Bagpuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 (edited) now that's were your argument falls flat on its face win at all costs ? So in Kings Lynn history how many EL or BL titles has the club won ? 0 that's how many so win at all costs fits in well with the club - yes we've won the PL twice , as I say if your team / club had helped to produced two riders like our 6/7 you'd be totally happy to loan one or both out to other clubs ? If you say yes to that question I think you've eaten to many Easter eggs . 2014 just might be the year of the Stars just maybe . How long have you been watching Speedway ? teams have to loan out there assets all the time that is how the sport runs . if we were all allowed to used are assets then the points limit would have to go . As I said my beef is not with kl it's with how the drafts are picked . Anyone with any sense of fair play should understand that . of course your happy with the rules because it suits your side I doubt your attitude would be the same if were starting -8 every match . No one in there right mind can think that it's fair that the champions and the richest club in the uk can somehow get a pl second string and the best rider in a so called draft system . And what happens next year ? don't tell me Poole somehow find so more assets that fit into the reserve birth while the others are left to fight over the remains . Edited April 17, 2014 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted April 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Baggy I saw a bit of Rose last season and there looked a huge amount of improvement in him. So this season Kings Lynn appear to have the drop on other clubs. Next season who knows which club will benefit the most. I am amazed that fans of other clubs should be p'eed off that a little Club like Lynn have a chance of mixing it with the big boys, for once. Lynn have had a lot of poor seasons in their history, but are still alive and kicking. If we were lucky enough to win the thing this season we as fans will enjoy the experience, if we don't then so be it we will be back again next Year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 17, 2014 Report Share Posted April 17, 2014 Baggy I saw a bit of Rose last season and there looked a huge amount of improvement in him. So this season Kings Lynn appear to have the drop on other clubs. Next season who knows which club will benefit the most. I am amazed that fans of other clubs should be p'eed off that a little Club like Lynn have a chance of mixing it with the big boys, for once. Lynn have had a lot of poor seasons in their history, but are still alive and kicking. If we were lucky enough to win the thing this season we as fans will enjoy the experience, if we don't then so be it we will be back again next Year. How can KL be a little club ? they own there stadium so in terms of money they can make that makes them a massive club ..People are pissed off with the rule not KL .Thou the KL fans we are all right jack attitude will no doubt not go down well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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