bigcatdiary Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 That was my first visit to Foxhall since the Witches dropped down to the PL and I was impressed with the changes to facilities for the supporters, stands on the back straight provide excellent viewing and generally it has much improved all round. The track appeared quite good before the match started but it was clear after the first few races it lacked any decent shale and I have to say the racing was pretty non existent, most of all passes were fully over by the back straight of lap 1. This badly needs addressing because with a good race surface this would be a good venue. Mills got an absolute flyer in heat 2 and I thought it quite funny when he said on the mike later he was just more focused than the other riders, clearly he wasn't quite so focused in his other 3. Tungate slipping off on the first bend of heat 13 and deliberately getting the race stopped when the Panthers pairing were in front was disappointing to see, I don't think this sort of cheating is impressive by riders of either side. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 The track is currently clearly an issue. I don't think I've ever seen a blue groove at Foxhall in over 30 years. The promotion made a big investment widening the track and deserve a lot of credit for that. As was said earlier, there is now nothing wrong with the track shape. There SHOULD be plenty of racing lines and it SHOULD be providing good racing as we've seen the last few years. But it needs to be prepared properly and that's a criticism of the promotion and NOT the track staff. The wet winter can't continue to be used as an excuse in mid April. The track is in dire need of new shale and the Louis' need to address that quickly before it costs them. There was a huge crowd and none of them got value for money yesterday as the meeting was dire. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 I see they also run out of programmes tonight also So did Peterborough so it's not unusual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 alljack? wot the hell does that mean??????? i see louis never even printed enough programmes on a bank holiday! enjoy your trophyless season again, will visit this page in october to say i told you so, as for the bloomy, who had all the mouth, its sad you have a keyboard to sprout your drivel, yet ar not man enuf to face up.......... go away you sad litttle person Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 A bit unfair on Tungate who was genuinely left with nowhere to go when Bjerre had to change lines to avoid Ostergaard & Bach. One of those 9 out of 10 times a ref would have called all 4 back. In the context of the meeting, it was rearranging deckchairs on the Witches Titanic, but as a racing incident, I'm sure Tungate felt hard done by. No comment on Fisher squashing Bach into the fence on the back straight in Heat 1? If that had happened on a bend, Fisher might well have been excluded. The fence panel was damaged by Bach's footrest, and dislodged. Always a difficult one for a ref to call, because he wouldn't have any angle on the incident. You can argue it was a hard pass by Fisher, but he definitely left Bach no space. Tungate made no effort to get up and clearly stayed down to get the race stopped. As for Bach v Fisher, Bach was just as hard on Fisher in the rerun of 13, it's called racing, hard but fair and no one falling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Tungate made no effort to get up and clearly stayed down to get the race stopped. As for Bach v Fisher, Bach was just as hard on Fisher in the rerun of 13, it's called racing, hard but fair and no one falling. Really? I dont recall Fisher hitting the fence and his footrest gouging out the kickboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Really? I dont recall Fisher hitting the fence and his footrest gouging out the kickboard. Yeah, but that kickboard does have dry rot and needed replacing tbf... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Thing is the ref can't see the back straight and entry into the 3rd bend from his position due to the tractors on the centre Green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Always felt the tractors were dangerous being so close to the back straight. Should they not be more in the middle of the centre green and farther apart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Did you read my post? As I said it was one of those "9 out of 10" all 4 back decisions, and Tungate obviously felt that way - I think a lot of riders may have stayed down anticipating a restart. I have to admit from my angle, it looked like first bend bunching, and I was surprised the red lights didn't come on straight away. Bach got past Fisher in 13 with no contact. In heat 1, I'm certain that Bach would have fallen under Fisher's challenge if it had been on the bend. The reason he subsequently fell on the third turn was because his foot rest was bent by the impact against the back straight fence, after Fisher shoved him against it. Clearly the ref thought the same as me and most Panthers supporters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Clearly the ref thought the same as me and most Panthers supporters. I thought the referee got it right, too. I also agree with your view of Greenwood's fall in heat 2 at the showground - the referee got that one wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bash Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Clearly the ref thought the same as me and most Panthers supporters. Can I ask where you were sitting/standing at Foxhall?, because from my view by the startline Tungate got hit by Bjerre's back wheel entering the turn and left him nowhere to go except down so should have been all four back. Also if you think Hawkins should have been excluded in heat two at Peterborough then Fisher should have been excluded from heat one at Foxhall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Video of the incident looks like a standard all 4 back. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iandean3 Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Most people have different views on incidents depending on who they support, also, what angle and view they have of the incident. I was at both meetings and I'm an Ipswich supporter. Fisher was guilty of very hard riding, but was slightly in front (by half a wheel) of Bach at the time. This was right in front of me. I did not have a good view of the Tungate incident, but it was obvious the referee was going to exclude him as he did not put the red lights on until the last second. I feel all four back would have been fair as from my bad view he got a bit of a shove. At Peterborough, I thought the ref got that right as Greenwood was leaning on Hawkins all the way down the straight, Hawkins was slightly in front from the exit of the forth turn, all the way into the first turn. The ref had a first class view of this incident from his box. I was on the home straight. I would like to add that I really enjoyed my first visit to the showground, great track and well prepared. It was also good to see Heeps starting to show that he can still race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Can I ask where you were sitting/standing at Foxhall?, because from my view by the startline Tungate got hit by Bjerre's back wheel entering the turn and left him nowhere to go except down so should have been all four back. Also if you think Hawkins should have been excluded in heat two at Peterborough then Fisher should have been excluded from heat one at Foxhall. Back straight stands just after the 2nd bend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylorj Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 Get stuffed. You certainly did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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