Wolves Vs Kings Lynn 14/4/2014

[fish keeper]

Pleased wolves got the win I didn't think we would so 2 points is a bounce .

[stevebrum]

that's were we miss Mike Bennett he knew the sport unlike the joker we have now .

 

Nowt wrong with Porky tho, best in the business.

 

 

 

Wolves were there to be beaten tonight, and we missed the chance.

 

I think a point gained was just rewards.

Doubt many will come to Monmore and walk away with any points.

The Stars look the only team capable IMHO.

[superguest]

Niels committed himself to pushing Ty wide as they left the back straight. How was Ty meant to cut back?

 

I agree, it wasn't much contact but he left him no room to come around the bend.

 

Impressed with Jacob and Ricky - They are both improving as riders each time they race.

 

Felt the Stars reserves were much stronger, but Ash rode steadily to win heat 2 with a cutback and a fast gate in heat 14. Should have beaten Rose in heat 9 though. Kerr looked a lot more confident than Ashley and I guess that's due to his much more impressive start to the season in the PL.

 

Joe won't have another night like that which will ease the pressure on Ash.

 

Woffy, not fit and not fast enough - Two lasts off gate four against PUK & Bjerre but he would have smoked them previously.

 

What can you say about Piotr? He is the real deal and probably one of the top 10 riders I've seen at Monmore, and its just his 4th Meeting!?

 

Lambert looked very fired up and have to say, had he been at reserve this year Lynn would have been much stronger but it would have meant no Kerr so I see why they took this decision.

Edited April 15, 2014 by superguest

[pointsmeanplayoffs]

Enjoyed the meeting last night, some good racing on a fair track which isn't always the case so fair play Wolves promotion. Meeting was pushed through in good time too which is always nice for travelling fans.

 

Only one grumble is at the ref for Niels' exclusion, but these are the decisions that you get at home. Thought Pawlicki was excellent, and Kenneth was much better which is pleasing for all Stars fans.

 

Once again young Robert Lambert, on a track he's not had much time on, didn't take long for him to show he's the real deal. Some great racing, especially in heat 14. Credit should also be given to Lewis Rose who quickly cleared the track in that heat after falling when a more cynical sole may have stayed down.

 

All in all, happy with a point which is what we wanted and thanks to the nice chaps who sorted us out with pit passes.

 

Plenty of positives for Stars fans though : )

[MrwulfAndrew]

You must be related to the Ref, coming out with a statement like that. That was a ridiculous decision to exclude Niels. He was livid, and said afterwards, there was no contact what's so ever. Proctor came off himself. He choose his line, he put himself in that position, he bailed out. None could that be attributed to NKI. and to exclude him from his easiest ride was a joke.

 

I went to Monmore Green thinking we had a chance of points. All was going well until the ref decided to come to the fore, and did his best to ruin what was turning into a close and exciting match. First he allows Ht 8 to continue when all could see Proctor got a flyer from uneven start. Next heat 9, was a slow motion shambles. Even the riders didn't know what was going on and virtually stopped before the red light came on, .A restart with all 4 back was the fair and obvious answer. But no the ref had to impose himself. and then Heat 11. Such a shame really, what should have been a close match will be remembered for the wrong reasons. Yeah we got a point for our troubles, but I would have much rather have lost to the happening on the track rather then some petty person making stupid decisions.

 

Wolves were there to be beaten tonight, and we missed the chance. When Woffy get fit again, and Pawlinski gets dialled in, Proctor gets back after injury, Wolves will be a much stronger team and will be in contention for the play-offs. I wasn't aware till last night, there were several Stars riders who don't like the Wolves track, so bearing that in mind they performed very well. Special mention to Lambert , who is prepared to mix it with who-ever. But with Rory not performing it took what ever advantage we had from a sub-performance from Woffy away. Wolves will be more pleased with the points won . After seven heats there were a lot of doubt's creeping in.

 

Must say, I thought the track tonight was as good as I had seen it and the racing was always exciting, In the end we got a well deserved point, that not even a crap ref could take away.

 

At least 4 relations of the ref were standing by me last night then?

 

 

Niels committed himself to pushing Ty wide as they left the back straight. How was Ty meant to cut back?

 

I agree, it wasn't much contact but he left him no room to come around the bend.

 

This sums it up for me.

 

[semion]

If the meeting had been at Saddlebow then everyone would have been related to the ref.

[magnificentseven]

Rather than bemoaning the referee the Stars fans should be slating Schlein for letting the victory get away from them - he was awful.

 

The Iversen - Proctor decision was a tight one but Iversen did himself no favours with his decision to drift Proctor wide when there appeared little need for it - if he had kept to the line he would have passed Proctor easily.

 

Lambert was very impressive and unlucky not to score more.

 

I didn't understand the logic of leaving Rose in heat 14 - personally I would have switched him for Kerr.

 

Wolfie

[Conkers in Gravy]

Heard it all. Adams 'Tai bike problems, LUCKILY IT DIDN'T COST US'.

 

So how many points was that then you muppet? 3?

 

Er no, 2.

 

Sooner he sods off the better. (Adams that is, not Woffy!).

 

What have the Romans ever done for us?

[g13webb]

Rather than bemoaning the referee the Stars fans should be slating Schlein for letting the victory get away from them - he was awful.

 

The Iversen - Proctor decision was a tight one but Iversen did himself no favours with his decision to drift Proctor wide when there appeared little need for it - if he had kept to the line he would have passed Proctor easily.

 

Lambert was very impressive and unlucky not to score more.

 

I didn't understand the logic of leaving Rose in heat 14 - personally I would have switched him for Kerr.

 

Wolfie

 

I ask the question, what was the reason Niels was excluded. Was it because he didn't leave Proctor any room, or did he cut Proctor up and fenced him, or was it because Proctor bailed out, knowing he couldn't get round. I having problems understanding the logic of all this .

 

Niels missed the start, but cut back to the inside to pass Proctor along the back straight. Clearly in second place when entering the 3rd bend, Niels attempts the wide line coming out of the 4th bend to get a run on Pawlinski. Are we now saying he must leave enough room , just in case the person behind wants to race there, or are we saying the person in front doesn't have the choice of lines.

Proctor was the person who was behind at this stage, and could have eased up and took any line he choose. Rightly or wrongly he choose to try and do the outside pass, something that no-one else did all night, and that was pass on the outside. Proctor choose wrong but it was Niels who was penalised.

 

Had the boot been on the other foot, and Niels and Proctor were in opposite positions, Niels would have seen the dangers and eased up. there would be no case to answer. As it happens Proctor choose wrong and got away with it because of the lenient referee .

 

I agree with you about Rory, very disappointing performance, and as you say he was the main reason the Stars lost. Hard to stomach when the captain don't perform as he can. I also agree putting Kerr in Ht 14. We were only 5 points behind then and Kerr gating could have been the difference from winning and losing. having score 7 from this only 3 rides he was the obvious choice that somehow got missed.

 

Obviously pleased to get a point, but looking back, we won't get a better chance of winning at Wolves then we had last night. Will look upon it as a golden opportunity lost.

[pointsmeanplayoffs]

Rather than bemoaning the referee the Stars fans should be slating Schlein for letting the victory get away from them - he was awful.

 

The Iversen - Proctor decision was a tight one but Iversen did himself no favours with his decision to drift Proctor wide when there appeared little need for it - if he had kept to the line he would have passed Proctor easily.

 

Lambert was very impressive and unlucky not to score more.

 

I didn't understand the logic of leaving Rose in heat 14 - personally I would have switched him for Kerr.

 

Wolfie

 

After a tough night at Brandon on Friday, taking Rose out of heat 14 would have been a further knock to the lads confidence IMO. And he had just won his first race in heat 9, so I can understand why Rob kept him in. You can't expect all the fast track lads to hit the ground running on every track, and a longer term view must be taken. This show of faith will no doubt inspire Rose to a big score on Wednesday back at home where he's much more comfortable.

 

I am still happy that we have the best reserve pairing in the league and enjoy watching these local lads race tremendously.

[Bagpuss]

Rather than bemoaning the referee the Stars fans should be slating Schlein for letting the victory get away from them - he was awful.

I'd like to think that no riders will be getting slated by anybody, whether it be Kenneth on Friday or Rory last night. Riders are still getting into the swing of things and he has been very good so far, would rather we won and lost as a team.

[semion]

Win as a team, Lose as team.....No "I" in Team dah dah dah etc etc etc. The one thing about the current Lynn team, there is no pressure on any individual. Everyone will have their off nights at some point during the season. I am quite happy looking at the bigger picture. Whether Lynn make the play-offs or not I think with the youngstes we have onboard it will be an entertainning season.

[stevebrum]

 

I ask the question, what was the reason Niels was excluded. Was it because he didn't leave Proctor any room, or did he cut Proctor up and fenced him, or was it because Proctor bailed out, knowing he couldn't get round. I having problems understanding the logic of all this .

 

Niels missed the start, but cut back to the inside to pass Proctor along the back straight. Clearly in second place when entering the 3rd bend, Niels attempts the wide line coming out of the 4th bend to get a run on Pawlinski. Are we now saying he must leave enough room , just in case the person behind wants to race there, or are we saying the person in front doesn't have the choice of lines.

Proctor was the person who was behind at this stage, and could have eased up and took any line he choose. Rightly or wrongly he choose to try and do the outside pass, something that no-one else did all night, and that was pass on the outside. Proctor choose wrong but it was Niels who was penalised.

 

Had the boot been on the other foot, and Niels and Proctor were in opposite positions, Niels would have seen the dangers and eased up. there would be no case to answer. As it happens Proctor choose wrong and got away with it because of the lenient referee .

 

 

 

 

Why does it matter, as fans watching we will all have differing opinions on what happened but its only the refs view that count.

There are so many differing opinions from people who were there yet everyone is trying to say there opinion is right and the reasons why.

 

Around me 2 people said Iversen deserved to be excluded whilst myself and 1 other said that was the wrong decision. And we all stand in the same place,

 

Whatever the ref saw may or may not be right. It doesn't change anything anyway.

I would however be interested to see a replay if they show it next week at the track.

[g13webb]

 

 

Why does it matter, as fans watching we will all have differing opinions on what happened but its only the refs view that count.

There are so many differing opinions from people who were there yet everyone is trying to say there opinion is right and the reasons why.

 

Around me 2 people said Iversen deserved to be excluded whilst myself and 1 other said that was the wrong decision. And we all stand in the same place,

 

Whatever the ref saw may or may not be right. It doesn't change anything anyway.

I would however be interested to see a replay if they show it next week at the track.

 

Yeah I understand mate and appreciate the difficult of the Ref in getting it right all the time. It's just so annoying when these things happen, at such an important time that it has a massive effect on the meeting. From sitting in ,what I thought was a comfortable position, after 7 heats, 4 races later, we have our backs to the wall struggling to be in contention after the Ref had ruled on 3 of those races. While Niels was fuming at the decision, the most annoying aspect of the whole incident was seeing Proctor getting back to be pit area with a smile on his face, giving the impression that he really happy. Not the impression of someone who had just been taken out hit the track and was annoyed.

 

I found that strange........

[Trees]

Proctor's smirk doesn't surprise me, you could tell by the way he threw his hands up in the air that he was trying it on and of course the ref gave him the benefit of the doubt.

[stevebrum]

 

Yeah I understand mate and appreciate the difficult of the Ref in getting it right all the time. It's just so annoying when these things happen, at such an important time that it has a massive effect on the meeting. From sitting in ,what I thought was a comfortable position, after 7 heats, 4 races later, we have our backs to the wall struggling to be in contention after the Ref had ruled on 3 of those races. While Niels was fuming at the decision, the most annoying aspect of the whole incident was seeing Proctor getting back to be pit area with a smile on his face, giving the impression that he really happy. Not the impression of someone who had just been taken out hit the track and was annoyed.

 

I found that strange........

 

 

Just goes to show how we all read things different. My take on him `smiling in the pits` was that he must be delighted he hasn't suffered any further damage from an injury that kept him out of the sport for 6 months and one he is still struggling to come to terms with on the track.

I get you're point that decisions helped to turn the match, likewise the failure of the Stars Captain will have a huge bearing on the Stars maintaining the closeness also.

[Tommy Sweetman]

 

Yeah I understand mate and appreciate the difficult of the Ref in getting it right all the time. It's just so annoying when these things happen, at such an important time that it has a massive effect on the meeting. From sitting in ,what I thought was a comfortable position, after 7 heats, 4 races later, we have our backs to the wall struggling to be in contention after the Ref had ruled on 3 of those races. While Niels was fuming at the decision, the most annoying aspect of the whole incident was seeing Proctor getting back to be pit area with a smile on his face, giving the impression that he really happy. Not the impression of someone who had just been taken out hit the track and was annoyed.

 

I found that strange........

Definiitely a "homer" decision by the ref.

If the same thing had happened at Lynn,with Proctor on the inside and NKI then falling,the outcome would have been exactly the same.These things level themselves out over a season.

Very impressed with the Stars youngsters,and if Wolves cant win the league,hope the title ends up in Norfolk.

[g13webb]

Definiitely a "homer" decision by the ref.

If the same thing had happened at Lynn,with Proctor on the inside and NKI then falling,the outcome would have been exactly the same.These things level themselves out over a season.

Very impressed with the Stars youngsters,and if Wolves cant win the league,hope the title ends up in Norfolk.

 

Cheers TS ....

[stevebrum]

Definiitely a "homer" decision by the ref.

If the same thing had happened at Lynn,with Proctor on the inside and NKI then falling,the outcome would have been exactly the same.These things level themselves out over a season.

Very impressed with the Stars youngsters,and if Wolves cant win the league,hope the title ends up in Norfolk.

 

 

Stars are my favourites for the league this year. The most attractive side on paper and always a pleasure to watch some of the best young Brits in the sport racing for them.

Hopefully injuries wont mess your challenge up unlike last year.

Obviously i`d prefer the Wolves be top of the league but its all down to September and October anyway.

Reckon we could give you a real run for your money if all riders ride to their ability. Lets face it Schlein`s score was cancelled out by Woffys so was always going to be a tough meeting.

[T.N.T.]

Havent had much chance to get on here to post my thoughts on Mondays meeting until now.

 

Wolves deserved the win overall but Kings Lynn deserved the point with Iversen / Bjerre leading the team well, reserves doing a good job and Lambert looking a very good prospect who doesn't bottle in tight battles and can handle himself in the first turns.

 

 

The Iversen / Proctor debate was hard to tell from the pits but Ty was given no room to turn and had no choice but to bail out. Maybe it could have been just hard riding but the end result was the race was stopped due to a fallen rider. Would Proctor have stayed on if Iversen gave him more room ...... yes. Therefore it was possibly right that Iversen was at fault.

 

 

Kings Lynn had their share of luck in heat 9 when Lewis Kerr lost power going into turn one which meant Joe Jacobs had to take avoiding action and in doing so caused Ashley Morris to also fall. Kerr was excluded for not being under power but should JJ have been excluded for avoiding a bad accident ?

 

 

Tai was more rusty than unfit but his mechanic was quite busy during the night trying to get a better set up as Tai was struggling out of the gate which doesnt help when you are up against an in form Iversen and Bjerre in most races.

 

Jacob again showed up well and sadly made a small mistake in heat one to allow Iversen through off turn two and then in his final ride he had to use Ricky Wells's bike which possibly cost him a win in his final outing. Overall though JT is progressing well into the next Super Swede at Monmore.

 

Ty started slowly but progressed as the night went on and was a bit miffed in his first ride when Piotr forced him to shut off twice and thus causing him to lose his points. Overall though Ty is a good team man and 6-7 points a meeting is job done.

 

Ricky again scored well but in some races you would expect him to win them. Will be interesting to see what happens if he becomes the third heat leader later in the season but he has invested in new equipment this season and he is certainly heading in the right direction and still a young man at 21.

 

Piotr was the star again for Wolves. Bad gate in his first ride and no chance of getting the win, but then looked unbeatable and a great double pass of Iversen proved how good he can be, Sadly his gating skills deserted him in the final heat and the Stars duo were fast and away giving him no chance to split them. 7.00 isn't looking a gamble now !!

 

Joe Jacobs wasn't with it but thankfully Ashley Morris was and not feeling the nerves so much this time. Match winning performance by Ash to counter the strong Lynn reserves.

 

 

 

For Kingls Lynn Rory Schlein was a big disapointment and Porsing didn't look great until his final ride where he did well. While they have a big two at the front, there strength is at reserve and double figure returns from the reserves in most matches will push them easily into the play offs.

 

Lambert for me though was the most impressive and almost passed Pawlicki in one race and he certainly looks to be a possible German #1 if he continues on their licence.

 

 

Wolves still unbeaten but they will be tested big time in the next few meetings starting with the usual mid day meeting at Belle Vue on a slick track and poor viewing areas where they may lose their 100% record.