bigeddiechek Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 It was Peter's best season, with respect to the league, but his worst gates. He said nobody wanted to come and see us thrashing teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YAMYAMBANDIT Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 It was Peter's best season, with respect to the league, but his worst gates. He said nobody wanted to come and see us thrashing teams. Remember Hull, won the league, closed following season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Remember Hull, won the league, closed following season.Ah !! that's the plan win nothing and we won't close,sounds good to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boobs Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Ah !! that's the plan win nothing and we won't close,sounds good to me. I rather think it sounds pretty good to most people. Â You would really rather have one glorious year, then have your club die? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 I rather think it sounds pretty good to most people.You would really rather have one glorious year, then have your club die?Your entitled to your opinion,if it sounds good to you fine by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 I rather think it sounds pretty good to most people. Â You would really rather have one glorious year, then have your club die? Edinburgh have been successful on a consistent bases over the last few years, as have Newcastle, they seem to be able to manage on track success with off track stability so why cant Berwick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Edinburgh have been successful on a consistent bases over the last few years, as have Newcastle, they seem to be able to manage on track success with off track stability so why cant Berwick. Â I know I shouldn't keep banging on about it, but we have had success, just not league success. Remember there can only be one winner of a league, you can't judge success by that alone. Â Taffy's example with Hull is a good one. Â I think keeping The Bandits alive in a tiny catchment area (compared to the two city teams you mention), is a success alone. Add to that winning the fours, and now three consecutive FIM meetings, then that is also pretty successful to me. Â Of course, this is not to say I don't set out every season hoping we will challenge for the league. Â Remember, the best fans in sport are not glory hunters, but the diehards who support their club through thick and thin. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boobs Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Edinburgh have been successful on a consistent bases over the last few years, as have Newcastle, they seem to be able to manage on track success with off track stability so why cant Berwick. Total adult population within 30 miles of city centre: Â Newcastle (Greater Tyneside built-up area): 744,891 Â Edinburgh (Urban area + West Lothian) : 511,546 Â Berwick-upon-Tweed : 13,265 Â Â Might that be why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Total adult population within 30 miles of city centre: Â Newcastle (Greater Tyneside built-up area): 744,891 Â Edinburgh (Urban area + West Lothian) : 511,546 Â Berwick-upon-Tweed : 13,265 Â Â Might that be why? Hugely interesting, but irrelevant, not unless you want to post average attendances at these tracks compared to Berwick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crescent girl Posted April 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 I know I shouldn't keep banging on about it, but we have had success, just not league success. Remember there can only be one winner of a league, you can't judge success by that alone. Â Taffy's example with Hull is a good one. Â I think keeping The Bandits alive in a tiny catchment area (compared to the two city teams you mention), is a success alone. Add to that winning the fours, and now three consecutive FIM meetings, then that is also pretty successful to me. Â Of course, this is not to say I don't set out every season hoping we will challenge for the league. Â Remember, the best fans in sport are not glory hunters, but the diehards who support their club through thick and thin. Not just Hull (although Tourettes is spot on). Those who were at the public meeting when the club was "saved" in late 2008 might remember John Anderson standing up, introducing himself and telling supporters he had no intention of falling into the "Ellesmere Port" trap of a new owner arriving with all guns blazing, buying a great but expensive team, winning the league and then having the club close down (forever). Â John went on to say he was there for the long term, and considered a revamp of track, lighting and the (then board) safety fence more important to the stability of a speedway club. Â This season, the opening night's programme carried the phrase "To succeed as a business, an ambitious promotion has to be seeking an audience far wider than any win-at-any-cost clique". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Hugely interesting, but irrelevant, not unless you want to post average attendances at these tracks compared to Berwick. Â Ermm, it's hugely relevant, unless you are advocating some sort of teleportation system which makes catchment area redundant? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Ermm, it's hugely relevant, unless you are advocating some sort of teleportation system which makes catchment area redundant? It doesn't matter how many people are in any catchment area, its all about how many people get their backside trackside to support their speedway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 I rather think it sounds pretty good to most people. Â You would really rather have one glorious year, then have your club die? Glasgow nearly beat that scenario. We almost went breasts up during the glorious year we won the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 It doesn't matter how many people are in any catchment area, its all about how many people get their backside trackside to support their speedway. Â That's just crazy talk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodiepatchie Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 Remember Hull, won the league, closed following season.and Ellesmere Port Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) We are the same as about 10 of the other pl clubs. Waite used the small club mentality on a weekly basis berwick was a place u didn't want to visit. Now it is a home meeting for these away teams. Small club? What rubbish... our focus is infastructure as john said. Pl racing brings in bobbins the big meetings are what intrests the sponsors etc. Hardcore fans who have there own mind want us to get the basics right. Â John has improved the product no doubt this has been a massive factor in the big meetings coming here. Has it helped the bandits? Probably not Edited April 16, 2014 by RobinH88 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulco Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 We are the same as about 10 of the other pl clubs. Waite used the small club mentality on a weekly basis berwick was a place u didn't want to visit. Now it is a home meeting for these away teams. Small club? What rubbish... our focus is infastructure as john said. Pl racing brings in bobbins the big meetings are what intrests the sponsors etc. Hardcore fans who have there own mind want us to get the basics right. Â Point is small club berwick ain't and john has done well in terms of the product berwick producr. However I don't think it helps in a results sense We are the same as about 10 of the other pl clubs. Waite used the small club mentality on a weekly basis berwick was a place u didn't want to visit. Now it is a home meeting for these away teams. Small club? What rubbish... our focus is infastructure as john said. Pl racing brings in bobbins the big meetings are what intrests the sponsors etc. Hardcore fans who have there own mind want us to get the basics right. Â Point is small club berwick ain't and john has done well in terms of the product we produce I don't think it helps in a results sense Speedway is dying on it's arse at PL level . How many were there on Saturday night ? About 700 maybe . Comparable with the track in Scotland's biggest city 100 miles up the road . Berwick are no better or worse than most tracks in our league 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) I think you have valid point the sport is not attracting enough new fans for whatever reasons.This catchment area talk isn't valid there are still as many people live in the Borders as there was when Speedway started in Betwick.Average crowds were much higher in the 70's and 80's when the sport was more popular.Most tracks are relying on diehard fans nowadays. Edited April 16, 2014 by Fromafar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigeddiechek Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 I think you have valid point the sport is not attracting enough new fans for whatever reasons.This catchment area talk isn't valid there are still as many people live in the Borders as there was when Speedway started in Betwick.Average crowds were much higher in the 70's and 80's when the sport was more popular.Most tracks are relying on diehard fans nowadays. Â How on Earth can you say catchment area is not valid? I don't follow the logic. Â Crowds are much smaller than in the past, that is just because society has changed a lot, more things to spread about the public's spare time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 How on Earth can you say catchment area is not valid? I don't follow the logic. Â Crowds are much smaller than in the past, that is just because society has changed a lot, more things to spread about the public's spare time. The catchment area is the same,as Screm points out,so what exactly do you mean when responding to his post.read my post as a reply to Paulco.Everyone knows society has changed so you are just backing up what I have said.I just don't know all the reasons that new fans are not attracted to the sport.Neither do youIMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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