manchesterpaul Posted April 9, 2014 Report Share Posted April 9, 2014 (edited) Thoughts and questions on how riders get paid and some a little 'out of the box' lol. Is there any particular reason why speedway riders are mainly paid on piece work performance as in you get paid per point and no points equals no pay? What effect would it have on how hard riders race if they were like footballers, and pretty much most sports on the planet, and got paid a set wage with bonus payments for winning matches/trophies or reaching personal targets? I'm unsure if most riders now get signing on fees or is that only the top ones? Are there other perks that get included in a contract that don't apply to all team members? It seems inherently unfair that a top 'star' scoring a maximum or high score should receive more per point than another rider in the team. The rich get richer and can buy better equipment is one side effect of that. Main reason the subject comes to mind is that some clubs have clearly suffered when having an unexpected successful team as they have to pay more points out and the crowds rarely seem to increase enough to cover that. It seems to be a mighty gamble for a promoter to build a powerhouse team when walkover wins cost so much in 'wages' and it soon gets less entertaining for home fans wanting to see some close racing and matches. For the sport to thrive and have more riders come into it, it needs to give equal opportunity to pay for all of those competing so another 'what would happen if' question is......what would happen if across the league every single point earned the exact same amount of money for every rider and the home promoter paid out on the meetings 90 points? They would be able to budget the whole seasons wage bill known in advance. If a top rider wanted to be rewarded for being the top rider in the team, or even in the whole league, he would by simply scoring more points than the others. You could always add team bonuses for winning trophies or matches instead of the current divisive favoured contracts for individuals in a team. Edited April 9, 2014 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 9, 2014 Report Share Posted April 9, 2014 I'd think most riders would have a retainer built into their contract.... Maybe 3 points or something.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 I think you will find that rider's pay in s/way is always shrouded in secrecy and not something that is talked about ,but it is a sad fact of life that the best riders will get the best of everything machinery and money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Nearly a full day with this and no one has posted the customary "how much do you earn then" standard reply. What is this forum coming to 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Nearly a full day with this and no one has posted the customary "how much do you earn then" standard reply. What is this forum coming to Too busy with 'don't criticise riders if you can't ride a speedway bike' comments on other threads. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) They should try something like this: Basic money: For travel and back tyre Y £ For points scored 1-5 points X £ for points 6-9 1,3X £ for points 10-14 1,6X £ max points from five rides 25X £ Or similar. Why not? EDIT: Changed the Basic money Edited April 10, 2014 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) How it works in all industries. I get paid more than the junior people in my team., Yet some days we're doing exactly the same work to the same level and I have made no more effort than them but I still get paid more. But there is a responsibility on me to help the junior members of the team to bring them up to my standard (and beyond) - same as the top guys in speedway really. Edited April 10, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 I think someone should put all the riders pay details into a multi-coloured spreadsheet all underlined and emboldened... ..alternatively we could go to speedway to enjoy the racing rather than compare pay packets, just as when I go to a restaurant I go to enjoy the food rather than worry about how much more the Chef de Cuisine is earning compared to his sous-chef. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 I think someone should put all the riders pay details into a multi-coloured spreadsheet all underlined and emboldened... . Now that would be innovative!!! But i do prefer the basic version from Denmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted April 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) I think someone should put all the riders pay details into a multi-coloured spreadsheet all underlined and emboldened... Now that would be innovative!!! But i do prefer the basic version from Denmark Dear God! you two are seriously and worryingly obsessed. Are you actually children and not grown men??? Are you silly schoolgirls??? Have your minds nothing to occupy them? You find it so hard not to introduce your freaky obsession with the format of MiniMax racecards into scores and scores of off-topic posts season after season, surely the time has come to get a life you silly people. 'John Leslie' in particular why are my racecards on your mind so much? you really need to get them off your mind. Can you not find a hobby or something? Hmmm Iris do you mean the basic version from Denmark that last season totally ripped off a.......wait for this.....INNOVATIVE aspect of the MiniMax cards lol lol. Have either of you contacted speedway authorities around the world yet to complain about the 'silly' 'multi-coloured' helmet covers used in every speedway race the world over? My racecards only use those four basic colours. Talk about giving fools enough rope to hang themselves i absolutely love it when you make these obsessive posts about the racecards as it shows you up for what you are. Thank you guys or is that silly immature young girls? ..alternatively we could go to speedway to enjoy the racing rather than compare pay packets, just as when I go to a restaurant I go to enjoy the food rather than worry about how much more the Chef de Cuisine is earning compared to his sous-chef. Indeed as i do. Have you ever made any comment on these forums about an aspect of speedway other than a meeting??? If so apply the above post of yours to the hundreds of times you have. Yayyy once again give 'em enough rope Edited April 10, 2014 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Riders have signed "wages" only deals in the past , I know of one who signed a wages only contract In the 80's , then rode like a girl until he got dropped but still had the wages contract , so continued to get paid until the end of the season . while setting up his tuning business , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 There is a rider shortage and there doesn't appear to be many youngsters wanting to take it up as a serious occupation, so perhaps the pay arrangements need to be looked at. Amongst other things of course. Theres learning and being paid to keep trying, or learning and not getting paid for some to give it up as a bad experience. How it works in all industries. I get paid more than the junior people in my team., Yet some days we're doing exactly the same work to the same level and I have made no more effort than them but I still get paid more. But there is a responsibility on me to help the junior members of the team to bring them up to my standard (and beyond) - same as the top guys in speedway really. It's nothing like speedway, only contractors are paid per job. Most go contract after learning the trade, realising they are quite good and want that sports car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Dear God! you two are seriously and worryingly obsessed. Are you actually children and not grown men??? Are you silly schoolgirls??? I do have a standard reply to personal attacks......but i have filed it away on my computer and can't find it.I think i need to use an index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Leslie Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Now that would be innovative!!! But i do prefer the basic version from Denmark The basic Danish one doesn't have a column showing which riders are VAT registered and instantly calculating how much is due to HMRC I do have a standard reply to personal attacks......but i have filed it away on my computer and can't find it.I think i need to use an index I keep my standard replies in alphabetical order so I don't need an index Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted April 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) I do have a standard reply to personal attacks......but i have filed it away on my computer and can't find it.I think i need to use an index The basic Danish one doesn't have a column showing which riders are VAT registered and instantly calculating how much is due to HMRC I keep my standard replies in alphabetical order so I don't need an index Tooooo funny NAH! YAWNNNNNNN! But hey you both seem intent once again on entering a post off-topic just to instigate personal attacks, what a waste of forum space ONCE AGAIN. A right couple of trolls you two. Hey! do try and keep the giggling noise down girlies. To be honest 'John Leslie' you getting as creepy as two others on here. Ok admittedly not as scarily creepy as that poster the other week who follows me around the forums obsessed with me (as you two clearly are too). He bizarrely interjected into a thread out of the blue something about people wanting to be loved lol lol, i still can't breathe with laughing from that all time creep fest. However you're getting into disturbing realms too have you actually compiled a list of past posts of mine. You seem to have a long quotable memory of anything i've ever said or referred to on here. You're always quoting stuff from long ago, gee whizz creepy. It's all so pointless you have zero effect on me and every post of the sort you file serves only to ridicule yourselves. Edited April 10, 2014 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Too busy with 'don't criticise riders if you can't ride a speedway bike' comments on other threads. and quite correct too.. a rider's pay thread indeed.... 'they do it for our entertainment' don't they?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 and quite correct too.. a rider's pay thread indeed.... 'they do it for our entertainment' don't they?? Where's the QI klaxon when you need it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 When my brother in law rode in the British League I never once asked him how much he earned , but I did know he could negotiate a contract based on x amount per point and this could be reduced if he received a lump sum for a bike or for a van etc...if he provided his own bike or van then the pounds per point would be more....I know if he didn't score he didn't earn but if he scored then he did pretty well to be fair.....but some riders fork out a lot personally on mechanics , tuners and all sorts of things which really eats into what they are earning......he tended to use 1 bike for a whole British season which was all prepared and maintained by himself in my garage.....not many overheads there , but I don't even think riders tended to discuss their contracts with each other really I would imagine the top riders of today are not on the breadline !....despite the state of the sport in the UK.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonny the spud Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 A lot of clubs stipulate that you must have 2 bikes in their contracts, this in effect means you have to have at least 3 chassis to cover for one bring list in an accident. The days of riding with one bike are long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 A lot of clubs stipulate that you must have 2 bikes in their contracts, this in effect means you have to have at least 3 chassis to cover for one bring list in an accident. The days of riding with one bike are long gone.Wasnt it Mauger who was the first to arrive with two bikes? Honestly, just something I remember reading from BSF earlier... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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