The White Knight Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 How else are you supposed to do them? I was just stating that Lindgren is not a Number One. Granted his current average may put him in that position, but currently he is not riding well enough to justify either his position in the Team OR his Average. I don't think I have said anything that isn't true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 I was just stating that Lindgren is not a Number One. Granted his current average may put him in that position, but currently he is not riding well enough to justify either his position in the Team OR his Average. I don't think I have said anything that isn't true. Currently (i.e this season so far) Ludde is averaging 7.00. Christian is averaging 6.15. Would you get rid of Christian,as you, seemingly, would get rid of Ludde?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) Currently (i.e this season so far) Ludde is averaging 7.00. Christian is averaging 6.15. Would you get rid of Christian,as you, seemingly, would get rid of Ludde?? I wouldn't get rid of either of them. (Did I say I wanted rid of him - I don't think so). I will try to put my point as simply as I can. I was was saying that Lindgren is NOT riding like a Number One - in my opinion. Unless you are telling me that the 'Three paid Four' that he got last night, AT HOME, was a Number One performance - then I am right as far as I am concerned. He did not do well at Somerset OR Sheffield either. I do NOT expect him to win ALL his Races - but as a Number One - I expect him to do a hell of a lot better than he is at the moment. I hope that clarifies things The Abbott. Edited April 7, 2014 by The White Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 I wouldn't get rid of either of them. (Did I say I wanted rid of him - I don't think so). I will try to put my point as simply as I can. I was was saying that Lindgren is NOT riding like a Number One - in my opinion. Unless you are telling me that the 'Three paid Four' that he got last night, AT HOME, was a Number One performance - then I am right as far as I am concerned. He did not do well at Somerset OR Sheffield either. I do NOT expect him to win ALL his Races - but as a Number One - I expect him to do a hell of a lot better than he is at the moment. I hope that clarifies things The Abbott. When you said he "isn't riding well enough to justify his place in the team," I thought you meant the 1-7, rather than the No. 1. I apologise for mis-interpretting that! The way the side has been put together this season, you aren't (at least to begin with) going to have the "out and out" number one that you require. I think, and it's only my opinion, they are expecting Anton to be the Number 1 we/you are hoping for, therefore it's a small sacrifice of having Ludde at number 1 for the first few weeks of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJC71 Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 When you said he "isn't riding well enough to justify his place in the team," I thought you meant the 1-7, rather than the No. 1. I apologise for mis-interpretting that! The way the side has been put together this season, you aren't (at least to begin with) going to have the "out and out" number one that you require. I think, and it's only my opinion, they are expecting Anton to be the Number 1 we/you are hoping for, therefore it's a small sacrifice of having Ludde at number 1 for the first few weeks of the season. I don't think it will make much, if any difference if Anton rides at number 1. He will find it just as difficult and is similarly inconsistent - although to be fair he has far less experience. The bottom line is we don't have a number 1. We didn't really have a powerful number 1 last season either bit we did have Richie, who with his consistently fast starts was more capable of challenging and beating opposition heat leaders. We also had a high scoring reserve. My problem with this side is that, yes we lack top end power but we don't have the powerful reserve to compensate for that like we did last year which is why I think we might struggle. Early days of course but I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with a change or two at some stage although not yet, I'm sure the riders will be given time and support to find some form. We did build this side 1.5 points under the limit though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) I don't think it will make much, if any difference if Anton rides at number 1. He will find it just as difficult and is similarly inconsistent - although to be fair he has far less experience. The bottom line is we don't have a number 1. We didn't really have a powerful number 1 last season either bit we did have Richie, who with his consistently fast starts was more capable of challenging and beating opposition heat leaders. We also had a high scoring reserve. My problem with this side is that, yes we lack top end power but we don't have the powerful reserve to compensate for that like we did last year which is why I think we might struggle. Early days of course but I wouldn't be surprised if we end up with a change or two at some stage although not yet, I'm sure the riders will be given time and support to find some form. We did build this side 1.5 points under the limit though. Completely agree But I can see Schrammy leaving sooner than you might think leaving 4.87 for another rider. IF this form continues this is what I would want to see happen to the the team...Although we can all sit and speculate it's another thing it actually happening 1. Magnus Karlsson 8.40 2. Lewis Kerr 5.94 3. Anton Rosen 7.00 4. Christian Henry 7.21/Ludvig Lindgren 7.28 5. Stuart Robson 7.20 6. Facundo Albin 3.62? Nicki Barrett 3.60? 7. Lewis Rose 3.00 But I would like to keep my faith in the current riders and hope normal service at Brough Park will resume with the riders we have now Edited April 7, 2014 by DIAMONDS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Completely agree But I can see Schrammy leaving sooner than you might think leaving 4.87 for another rider. IF this form continues this is what I would want to see happen to the the team...Although we can all sit and speculate it's another thing it actually happening 1. Magnus Karlsson 8.40 2. Lewis Kerr 5.94 3. Anton Rosen 7.00 4. Christian Henry 7.21/Ludvig Lindgren 7.28 5. Stuart Robson 7.20 6. Facundo Albin 3.62? Nicki Barrett 3.60? 7. Lewis Rose 3.00 But I would like to keep my faith in the current riders and hope normal service at Brough Park will resume with the riders we have now Albin or Barrett around Brough? No thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Albin or Barrett around Brough? No thanks. I couldn't think of another 3 pointish rider that doesn't have a team and that would be realistic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 I couldn't think of another 3 pointish rider that doesn't have a team and that would be realistic And there lies the problem if you want to get rid of Schrammy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 And there lies the problem if you want to get rid of Schrammy. I know but I was wondering if anybody else knew any? Does Jason king still ride (on a 3.00 average there is nothing to loose) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 What's wille Lawson's ave?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 The Newcastle promotion have a history of getting it right when coming to putting teams together, and an equally impressive record in getting the best out of their riders. I`m sure 2014 will be the same. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 The Newcastle promotion have a history of getting it right when coming to putting teams together, and an equally impressive record in getting the best out of their riders. I`m sure 2014 will be the same. I quite agree. BUT - I would definitely change the Team around as soon as we are able to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emilali Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 First time I've been to Newcastle for a while and was a relatively decent meeting. Bit disappointed with Newcastle, but maybe I was expecting to much. Lindgren struggled all night and god knows whats happened to Schraam, he was woeful. Robson his usual reliable self, Rosen looks a real good find. For Somerset was impressed with everyone bar Todd Kurtz, unbelievable he keeps getting a ride over here because hes utter tripe. Well done the Rebels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 I quite agree. BUT - I would definitely change the Team around as soon as we are able to do so. But why, if your looking to bring in a top scoring No1 then Newcastle would have to make more than one change. That would bring in points in the No1 position but IMO weaken the team in another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 But why, if your looking to bring in a top scoring No1 then Newcastle would have to make more than one change. That would bring in points in the No1 position but IMO weaken the team in another. I have never said we need to bring in ANY new Riders. Whilst I don't believe that Lindgren is currently riding like a Number One - Stuart Robson would, I am sure, do a FAR better job. Stuart, I suspect does not like riding in Heat One - but he is a far better Rider than his current Average suggests in my opinion - Lindgren just isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 I have never said we need to bring in ANY new Riders. Whilst I don't believe that Lindgren is currently riding like a Number One - Stuart Robson would, I am sure, do a FAR better job. Stuart, I suspect does not like riding in Heat One - but he is a far better Rider than his current Average suggests in my opinion - Lindgren just isn't. The averages dictate that Lindgren started the season at No1, Newcastle had no choice, hopefully for you and Newcastle once the first set of CMA`s kick in you will get Robson at No1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 But why, if your looking to bring in a top scoring No1 then Newcastle would have to make more than one change. That would bring in points in the No1 position but IMO weaken the team in another. If you replaced Lindgren for example you would have 8.63 to bring in a new rider (A well capable number 1) But I don't want to see Lindgren go TBH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 If you replaced Lindgren for example you would have 8.63 to bring in a new rider (A well capable number 1) But I don't want to see Lindgren go TBH Ok you replace Lindgren, who comes in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Ok you replace Lindgren, who comes in. Dunno it was only an example, I want Lindgren to stay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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