Robert Lambert Mouthing Off In The Star. Oh Dear.

[SCB]

Brilliant publicity for the kid, im guessing all those that posted on here and who read the star will follow his scores with interest if he fails or succeeds.

Nobody has said they want him to fail. People are upset because they think he's going to do really well but it wont be for GB.

 

 

As for those saying he can ride for Germany, he can't, you ride for the country who issue you your passport. It's GB or no-one for Robert.

[BWitcher]

It is a matter of opinion.There are no hard and fast rules or we would have the same rules year in year out.The opinion changes often and so do most rules.

 

As for the nonsense in the middle bit of your post........the Star article actually states that the Aussie Rule is DIFFERENT TO THE BSPA RULE!!!!! So the Aussies have a different opinion on how old you can be and the germans have another opinion.

 

On the last bit of your post i do quite agree and think it the best route to take it easy rather than go straight into the EL,but i am not making that decision.Those that have will have to live with it if it turns out to be the wrong one

No, it isn't a matter of opinion.

 

Whether rules change from year to year is irrelevant, what is relevant is the rule in the given year. If you can let me know when Lambert could have raced in the UK at the age he wanted too and when the rule was changed to target him and prevent him from doing so, then you might just have something to complain about.

 

Nice try in your efforts to wriggle out of your ridiculous previous post when you laud the German system and lambast the British one, using Australia as an example. I apologise, you are right, their rules are different.. they don't allow them to ride 500cc machines until they are 16 not 15... so quite how you feel that backs up your claims is beyond me.

 

The reality is I don't think anybody has anything against Lambert at all, simply they do not think he has anything at all to be whinging about.

 

The biggest danger to Lamberts popularity is folk overhyping him.. we're already seeing it on this thread. Sure he is a very talented rider with a lot of potential, but at the moment that is all it is, potential. From what I saw last season he is nowhere near the level of someone like Joe Screen at the same age. Poor old Joe had to wait till he was 16 to race too.

[iris123]

 

 

 

As for those saying he can ride for Germany, he can't, you ride for the country who issue you your passport. It's GB or no-one for Robert.

That is only in team events.He can on a German licence ride in individual events like the world U21s or later GPs.Laguta rode on a Latvian licence in the Gps as he had problems with the Russian federation and was trying to change citizenship.Just hope he doesn't turn his back on GB

No, it isn't a matter of opinion.

 

Nice try in your efforts to wriggle out of your ridiculous previous post when you laud the German system and lambast the British one, using Australia as an example. I apologise, you are right, their rules are different.. they don't allow them to ride 500cc machines until they are 16 not 15... so quite how you feel that backs up your claims is beyond me.

 

 

Not surprised.Best leave it at that

[BWitcher]

That is only in team events.He can on a German licence ride in individual events like the world U21s or later GPs.Laguta rode on a Latvian licence in the Gps as he had problems with the Russian federation and was trying to change citizenship.Just hope he doesn't turn his back on GB

Not surprised.Best leave it at that

 

In other words, you have absolutely nothing to come back with.

 

You've been caught out once again talking utter rubbish, using a system that doesn't allow riders to race till they are 16 to attack a system that allows riders to race at 15. A pretty basic fail.

 

Now, you could act like an adult and acknowledge your mistake, or you can act like a child and attempt to make a witty comment before putting your tail between your legs and running.

[Arson fire]

At the end of the day if he doesn't want to ride for GB that's his perogative, neither does nicholls!!

And he is British so is entitled to a 3 point average!!

 

Some people need to get a grip seriously....

[BWitcher]

At the end of the day if he doesn't want to ride for GB that's his perogative, neither does nicholls!!

And he is British so is entitled to a 3 point average!!

 

Some people need to get a grip seriously....

Of course, that isn't the issue that's being debated mostly.

 

It's the 'reasons' behind his thinking. They have no credence.

[iris123]

 

In other words, you have absolutely nothing to come back with.

 

You've been caught out once again talking utter rubbish, using a system that doesn't allow riders to race till they are 16 to attack a system that allows riders to race at 15. A pretty basic fail.

 

Now, you could act like an adult and acknowledge your mistake, or you can act like a child and attempt to make a witty comment before putting your tail between your legs and running.

No your counter-argument was shown to be nonsense.Your argument was that the British + Aussie system was the same.my argument was the british system didn't seem to be working but the different systems of other countries did......get it

Give you credit for admitting you were wrong.But then your argument falls apart on that fact

Edited April 4, 2014 by iris123

[Arson fire]

See the witcher hasn't changed....

 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissism

Edited April 4, 2014 by Arson fire

[BWitcher]

No your counter-argument was shown to be nonsense.Your argument was that the British + Aussie system was the same.my argument was the british system didn't seem to be working but the different systems of other countries did......get it

 

Yes I get it, clearly you don't, or simply cannot act like an adult and admit when you've made a mistake.

 

I have already acted like an adult and ADMITTED I made an error when referring to the Aussies having the same age limit. I was wrong on this, however the fact that their age limit is actually a year OLDER than the British one actually makes my case stronger and yours more ludicrous, something which seems to be passing you by.

See the witcher hasn't changed....

 

Correct, I don't tolerate folk talking rubbish and admit if I get something wrong.

 

Perhaps I should take your attitude and when shown to be wrong about something, get in such a strop I make a big public song and dance about putting someone on ignore, then bring it up as often as I can on different threads.

Edited April 4, 2014 by BWitcher

[Star Lady]

I'm not getting into the argument of who Lambert should or shouldn't ride for.

 

However I believe he is still under the age of 16, certainly he was when this article was written. As such his parents have a responsibility for him and IMHO are being somewhat lacking in their care by letting him give this interview.

I know I said and did things at the age of fifteen that I now regret and would never have said or done with a few more years experience. That's what parents are for - to stop minors getting themselves into strife, however much the youngster may not like it. I don't doubt they want the best for their son and from what I've read and seen they have made tremendous sacrifices to get him this far. Perhaps that has clouded their judgement.

Edited April 4, 2014 by Star Lady

[Arson fire]

I'm not getting into the argument of who Lambert should or shouldn't ride for.

 

However I believe he is still under the age of 16, certainly he was when this article was written. As such his parents have a responsibility for him and IMHO are being somewhat lacking in their care by letting him give this interview.

I know I said and did things at the age of fifteen that I now regret and would never have said or done with a few more years experience. That's what parents are for - to stop minors getting themselves into strife, however much the youngster may not like it. I don't doubt they want the best for their son and from what I've read and seen they have made tremendous sacrifices to get him this far. Perhaps that has clouded their judgement.

so your parents lacked in your care also then?? Christ it's not like he's swearing, sniffing glue, been to borstal, nicking cars commiting an offence, doing anything wrong or anything.... Think a few need to stand back and put things into perspective a little....

[Fromafar]

I'm not getting into the argument of who Lambert should or shouldn't ride for.

 

However I believe he is still under the age of 16, certainly he was when this article was written. As such his parents have a responsibility for him and IMHO are being somewhat lacking in their care by letting him give this interview.

I know I said and did things at the age of fifteen that I now regret and would never have said or done with a few more years experience. That's what parents are for - to stop minors getting themselves into strife, however much the youngster may not like it. I don't doubt they want the best for their son and from what I've read and seen they have made tremendous sacrifices to get him this far. Perhaps that has clouded their judgement.

I think perhaps it would have been better if he had declined the interview till after he had ridden a few matches in the EL ,then perhaps he would have been able to justify his stance if things were going well. Rules are rules in the sport whether he likes it or not.

[Dave C]

I'm not usually one to respond to a Shovlar thread, but having read the full article in the Star, I think Robert Lambert's comments are at best naive & at worst, utterly misguided.

 

Robert and the people who are advising him in his career, really need to think carefully about how this interview comes across to supporters, existing sponsors, potential sponsors & the sports hierarchy. The article mentions his parents & his German manager Rene Schaffer so one can only conclude that they are his "advisors". Perhaps Rob Lyon needs to have a quiet word, to diffuse the situation and offer his own advice.

 

Although the BSPA constantly come in for much criticism, this is one occasion when they are totally justified in sticking to their rules. The notion of a 14 year old kid racing in competitive motorsport against senior riders is plain wrong in my opinion. I would also question the wisdom of allowing 15 year olds to compete against seniors in the National League. In this instance the Aussies would appear to have it right, with an age limit of 16. The prospect of a "child" being seriously injured or worse, in an accident with a senior rider, in official competition is troubling. The German federation may have no qualms with this issue, but that doesn't make it right.

 

The closing lines of the article considers how far "Team Lambert" have got with relatively little backing and suggests that the sky would be the limit if he could find more sponsorship and support, even from Britain... As someone who has assisted several riders in the search for meaningful sponsorship, may I respectfully suggest that he & his team are not going about it in the smartest way.

 

If Robert is half as good as all the hype, then his time will come. But as well as needing talent on the bike, a successful rider also needs to lean patience, self control & the ability to keep your mouth shut, whatever you may really think about things. I'm sure that a certain Mr Woffinden would agree with those sentiments.

 

I genuinely hope that Robert goes on to fulfil his full potential in the sport and one day I hope to see him on the top of a rostrum, proud to be wearing a Union Jack.

Edited April 4, 2014 by Dave C

[Trees]

Wise words imo Dave.

[weatherwatcher]

Well spoken Dave C

[Blazeaway]

so your parents lacked in your care also then?? Christ it's not like he's swearing, sniffing glue, been to borstal, nicking cars commiting an offence, doing anything wrong or anything.... Think a few need to stand back and put things into perspective a little....

and we are back to Darcy Ward again...

[Paulco]

and we are back to Darcy Ward again...

Darcy is just misunderstood , he's not thick and he never had sex with that woman . Robert Lambert however is a modern day Oswald Mosley and should be punished under the treason act .

[speedibee]

Sounds like a Poole rider of the future. Took Ward a good few years to mature, as I recall.

When did that happen then ?

[marcusthepom]

Robert Lambert is still a very young man we all forget this,of course he needs to grow up,The lad is 16 years old.

I can tell you from years of experience on these things,we the public expect far to much from these young men,they do need

to mature ,like we all had to do.I think just because they ride like champions we expect them to act like them,well news for you all

that just is not going to happen.16 years of age for most young men is not old enough to look at things in a mature manner,what ever the

facts are.One thing I would like to say is there will only be one winner and it is not going to be Robert.The B.S.P.A will have the last

say and so they should,they do control the sport in the UK.Rules are made for every one,break the rule for one,then you open up the flood gates.

PLEASE do not judge Robert for his comments,he needs to mature a wee bit,at 16 years of age that is not a crime.Back the lad,enjoy his talent ,and

lets hope one day he brings home the bacon for TEAM GB and not GERMANY.

[Marcelle]

Not a poor post, Lambert perfectly happy to use his British status to ride in the NL, to obtain a 3.00 average in the EL.

 

If he doesn't want it, take it away.

How can you take it away He's British FFS...