BWitcher Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 To me the Star has set him up for a fall here with their criticism.I wonder if they have done one or two pieces criticizing Horton or Ford etc recently?Did the Star do a big article taking Darcy Ward to task or one highlighting Lindbäcks alcohol problems a few years back?Things far worse than what a youngster has to say to someone looking for a story.I do also think he shouldn't come out with some of the things he seems to have said,but.........more often than not youngsters are treated on ability in many things especially at school.You'll get the more intelligent children pushed on.You will hear of youngsters taking exams a year or two before other kids of their age.You will also find some talented youngsters in the Olypics competing against people far older. It is ok to point out Dilger and Busch as Germans who have started out on a 500cc at 14 and not achieved much,but on the other hand both Dryml brothers also came to Germany to get round rules in their country and one or two here will tell you just how good one of the brothers was before an unfortunate accident.Two sides to every story and it is not one size fits all.Some youngsters are just far better at an early age.His parents thought it more suitable to his ability to be riding against better riders than he would have done in the British youth championships.I'd guess Camo Heeps and Brady Kurtz's parents thought it an advantage for their children to ride a season on 500's in Denmark before they could do a season in GB I have met the family and talked to them and must say i found them very pleasant without any big heads at all,but they did feel a sense of grievance towards the British authorities and funnily enough were a bit upset at the time by an article in the Star about Robert and that was well over a year ago.So it seems nothing has been done to build bridges. Quite a shame to see so many adults on here taking exception to something someone so young has said and seemingly out to 'teach him a lesson'.I'd say the sport has bigger problems than this Comparing taking an exam to riding a 500CC motorbike with no brakes is ridiculous. There is no comparison. This country has rules and regulations in place (as do many others) and they have to be followed. It is extremely foolish and naïve if the Lamberts feel those rules were in place to hold them back. All credit to them for finding a way to fast track his career, nobody is going to criticise them for that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 He really should be riding for team GB in the near future, put him in with Bridger, Cook and Baby Ben.......going to fit in just fine! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 (edited) Comparing taking an exam to riding a 500CC motorbike with no brakes is ridiculous. There is no comparison. Of course there is.Most kids are not ready to do things at a certain age and a special few are.No matter what we are talking about.Ales Dryml snr who was a decent rider himself obviously thought his kids were ready and it seems he was probably right.There is also a very talented young rider from Russia who has been riding in germany the past couple of years as his parents obviously feel he needs the challenge and is ready..... What is ridiculous is to say all youngsters mature or are ready at the same age Edited April 4, 2014 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Of course there is.Most kids are not ready to do things at a certain age and a special few are.No matter what we are talking about.Ales Dryml snr who was a decent rider himself obviously thought his kids were ready and it seems he was probably right.There is also a very talented young rider from Russia who has been riding in germany the past couple of years as his parents obviously feel he needs the challenge and is ready..... What is ridiculous is to say all youngsters mature or are ready at the same age No there isn't any comparison at all. There are no rules/regulations regarding the age of taking exams such as A Levels/GCSE's. There ARE rules/regulations regarding the age required to race a 500CC motorcycle. By your reckoning, some kid who has been stealing cars and joy riding since he was 10 should be allowed to take their driving test at 14 because they are 'good at it'. Or another child can buy alcohol at 14 because he has 'matured' early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 By your reckoning, some kid who has been stealing cars and joy riding since he was 10 should be allowed to take their driving test at 14 because they are 'good at it'. Or another child can buy alcohol at 14 because he has 'matured' early. Now you are just going off on one.Obviously someone who has been stealing anything is breaking the law of the land and should be punished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Now you are just going off on one.Obviously someone who has been stealing anything is breaking the law of the land and should be punished No, it is signifying that however good they may be at driving due to extensive practice, they are still not allowed to obtain their license till the required age. As was the case with Lambert. It´s really quite simple. He hasn't been picked on, he hasn't been victimised. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 No, it is signifying that however good they may be at driving due to extensive practice, they are still not allowed to obtain their license till the required age. A driving licence and breaking the law is a bit different.Even at the age the BSPA say Robert can race a 500cc he can't get a licence to ride a 500cc on the roads can he? I guess they thought speedway rules are so often bent and ignored they had a good case for them as well.Looking at the videos or Robert beating Smolinski a couple of years back and a few others including Zabik it does seem he was ready and able to handle a 500 As for being picked on and victimised,well some on here seem to be calling for such treatment.It is not something that is going to help the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Does the ACU not have a rule to make an exception? Over here in NL they do.... if you show the federation that you are capable to ride a 500cc bike then they will give you a license. Ofcourse you can then only ride in your own country..... I remember some Dutch kid trying to ride in Germany (longtrack) last year, and they refused him on the race day to compete because he was too young. They did accept his entry form, but forgot to look at his DOB lol .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 That is one of the things at the heart of this problem.Speedway so often has exceptions due to special circumstances.If i remember right this is what the lambert family thought could have happened but was blocked by someone........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 That is one of the things at the heart of this problem.Speedway so often has exceptions due to special circumstances.If i remember right this is what the lambert family thought could have happened but was blocked by someone........ Or thoughtful and reasonable rules, as in this case. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Quite unbelievable...some of the comments about a sixteen year old and his attitude stink. Perhaps some of the people making comments should look back at when they were sixteen. Just because he is an exceptional talent on a bike doesn't mean he will mature as quickly in other ways. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Am I the only one who thinks its not ok for a 16 year old to have a bad attitude? Blame his age for naivety but not attitude, too many posters on here using that as an excuse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 That is one of the things at the heart of this problem.Speedway so often has exceptions due to special circumstances.If i remember right this is what the lambert family thought could have happened but was blocked by someone........ So we're now getting to the heart of the matter, the Lamberts feel they should be treated differently to every other young rider in the UK. They think they are 'special' so they don't have to abide by the same rules as every other rider in the UK. Thus when they were advised that, quite rightly, they would have to abide by the same rules as everyone else they had a hissy fit? I'm sure there are many legitimate reasons to have a go at the BSPA and the support they give to British riders, but this isn't one of them. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 (edited) Or thoughtful and reasonable rules, as in this case. You don't often see those words associated with speedway seeing as they change them or ignore them at the drop of a hat.All a matter of opinion.You have yours and it seems the Lamberts have a differing one.Someone has to convince them that theirs is wrong it seems If we had a youth system that had produced much talent we could say this works,but we don't.We have a world champ that is the product of the Aussie youth system and was a talented rider before he came to our shores.That is about the sum of our international talent.How many other riders do we have that have qualified for the Gps through riding ability?Guess at the moment the Germans have more Edited April 4, 2014 by iris123 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Im just looking forward to seeing the lad back on the track again. I wonder how many of the people calling him a 'Little s41t' ect will be blowing smoke up his ass, IF ( Note the word) he goes on to become a decent grand Prix rider in years to come. It would be interesting also what mouthpiece Shovvy would think to him If Ford came out waving his chequebook about in a few years time. The Boy has a lot of learning to do, both on and off the track, but hey lets not worry about that, lets all give it to a 15 year old schoolboy. Steady on there semion.. ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocketrod Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 Brilliant publicity for the kid, im guessing all those that posted on here and who read the star will follow his scores with interest if he fails or succeeds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 You don't often see those words associated with speedway seeing as they change them or ignore them at the drop of a hat.All a matter of opinion.You have yours and it seems the Lamberts have a differing one.Someone has to convince them that theirs is wrong it seems If we had a youth system that had produced much talent we could say this works,but we don't.We have a world champ that is the product of the Aussie youth system and was a talented rider before he came to our shores.That is about the sum of our international talent.How many other riders do we have that have qualified for the Gps through riding ability?Guess at the moment the Germans have more It's not a matter of opinion. Opinion is irrelevant. It really is quite simple and straight forward. The rules didn't allow Lambert, or ANY other rider to do what he wanted to do. Very very simple. As for the nonsense in the rest of your post, saying the rule doesn't work because we haven't produced much talent.. dismissing Woffinden as he was a product of the Aussie youth system who funnily enough have the VERY SAME RULE in place. The reality is Woffinden may have had talent when he returned to the UK, but talent means nothing and he progressed through the tiers, NL, then PL, then EL, all the way till he was World Champion. He didn't get ahead of himself, didn't believe in his own hype enough to 'skip' Premier League racing. Neither incidentally did Chris Holder or Darcy Ward. Lambert's (and his family) decision to go straight to the EL has a far greater chance of damaging his career than progressing through the PL, history tells us that. Not only is this the case in speedway but in many sports around the world where young talents, when pushed too far too fast, burn out far quicker than those who progress through the ranks in a more sensible fashion. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 It's not a matter of opinion. Opinion is irrelevant. It really is quite simple and straight forward. As for the nonsense in the rest of your post, saying the rule doesn't work because we haven't produced much talent.. dismissing Woffinden as he was a product of the Aussie youth system who funnily enough have the VERY SAME RULE in place. Lambert's (and his family) decision to go straight to the EL has a far greater chance of damaging his career than progressing through the PL, history tells us that. Not only is this the case in speedway but in many sports around the world where young talents, when pushed too far too fast, burn out far quicker than those who progress through the ranks in a more sensible fashion. It is a matter of opinion.There are no hard and fast rules or we would have the same rules year in year out.The opinion changes often and so do most rules. As for the nonsense in the middle bit of your post........the Star article actually states that the Aussie Rule is DIFFERENT TO THE BSPA RULE!!!!! So the Aussies have a different opinion on how old you can be and the germans have another opinion. On the last bit of your post i do quite agree and think it the best route to take it easy rather than go straight into the EL,but i am not making that decision.Those that have will have to live with it if it turns out to be the wrong one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jammag Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 I am struggling to understand the big issue with everyone here. He is free to do what he likes with who he rides for. If hes met British rules with his passport to have the average then hes played by the rules. If he wants to ride for Germany under his license then so be it. Just thinking to cricket for a moment where we have lots of other nationality's playing for the English side because they feel they benefited from coming here under our system and choose to play for England. There is no difference to what Lambert is choosing to do at this moment in time. Why would he not want to be loyal and return the favour to those that have shown him loyalty and helped him develop. Some people have worked really hard to help his career unfortunately by rules it hasnt been the BSPA, where as in Germany hes received some backing so I fully understand his decision to remain loyal to them. Listening to a pod cast Lambert done a few weeks ago for the local press was really worth the listen and he made similar points then but in a very calm manner, which I feel in the written press it can come over like he was ranting and raving as you make up your own minds to how it was being said. http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/kings-lynn-stars/west_norfolk_sports_podcast_special_in_depth_interview_with_teenage_speedway_ace_robert_lambert_1_3346340 That is the link to the mentioned podcast. The only problem he is going to have is that with his undoubted talent he is going to become marmite person. Articles like this are not going to help that but hopefully his riding will gain him fans again. He is only a teenager coming into an adult sport, he needs support from everyone to help him achieve as if he gets lots of abuse then I reckon you could see him stick 2 fingers up at this country and only ride in Denmark, Poland, Germany, Sweden. Now that would be a shame especially when we have lost so many good riders who choose not to ride in the elite league now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted April 4, 2014 Report Share Posted April 4, 2014 It is a bad state of affairs when a 16 year old try to dictate to the BSPA. Have an eppy fit and say you don't want to ride for the British under 21's or the Full team all because they won't let you do what you want. It is time that he stood back and took a look at himself and realized that rules are rules even if you do think you are God 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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