Robert Lambert Mouthing Off In The Star. Oh Dear.

[stratton]

I've just spent several minutes reading this thread and am amazed at the flack, that has started because, something that a schoolboy of 15 yrs has said. When you see some of the crap written on here by Shovlar, talk about pot kettle black.......

 

What posters should realise, Robert Lambert a young talented rider, who has got where he's at, without no help from the BSPA. He had to go aboard to race and propel his career rather then wait until the rules here allowed him to. Sure he may have said things that some don't agree with , but I can understand his grievances.

 

If he was to read the flack he's received on here, it's no wonder he has the desire to race elsewhere. I suggest we give him some slack and let him show you his talent. Probably in a few years, when he's more adult minded, perhaps his attitude will change and he will want to ride for his homeland. Until then, lets enjoy watching him and see how he progresses in the competitive world of Elite League racing, rather than jump on him, just because someone didn't like what he said

My take GRW is to enjoy riders when they are here Ward( has been slammed unfairly) Shovlar god you have supported Darcy when he has made a mistake and i agree yet you slam Robert is that right?) Anyway i really hope Lambert does well we deserve to have a world class talent again it won't be easy but i will keep my fingers crossed he could be the new Mike the Bike,

[LagutaRacingFan]

I have emailed the SCB asking for Robert Lambert's average to be re-assessed.

He sickens me, There are millions of young kids who would love to ride for their country in any sport.

 

[Blazeaway]

My take GRW is to enjoy riders when they are here Ward( has been slammed unfairly) Shovlar god you have supported Darcy when he has made a mistake and i agree yet you slam Robert is that right?) Anyway i really hope Lambert does well we deserve to have a world class talent again it won't be easy but i will keep my fingers crossed he could be the new Mike the Bike,

How has Ward been "slammed unfairly"?

 

He's behaved like a scumbag on numerous occasions and has rightly been castigated for it.

[iris123]

Think the rule is a British passport holder gets a lower average and can ride in the NL.Don't know of a rule that say's if you don't toe the line then you won't be allowed the privileges your nationality allows.

[G the Bee]

One has to wonder who is advising this lad. He's just a kid and, as far as I'm concerned, should not be giving any interviews to the press without an adult present. Not because of any child protection issues or anything like that, but simply because any young kid is more likely to go and say something to the press which is better left unsaid.

 

The fact is, no benefit can come to Robert by making a statement like that. All it's going to do is antagonize people.

 

My own take on it. No matter whether Robert feels the BSPA have given him enough help or not, he should respect the rules that are in place for the sport in this country. And, to me, the rules seem very sensible. There should be no rush, at the age of 14, to feel you need to ride competitively on a 500cc bike. You are allowed to ride at the age of 15 in the NL and, to be honest that age, and that level, seems about right.

 

And, of course, Lambert has benefited from the system in place in this country. He rode a good portion of last year for Kings Lynn in the NL and he has signed for their EL team on a 3-point average this year, again as a result of his nationality.

 

If I was the head of the BSPA, I would be on the phone to Rob Lyon straight away informing him that should Lambert not wish to take advantage of his British nationality, they would be happy to adjust his EL average accordingly.

[g13webb]

 

Remind me how you were able to watch Robert Lambert ride last year? He was perfectly happy to use his British status to ride in the NL.

 

Remind me how you are able to watch Robert Lambert ride for Kings Lynn this year?

 

I don't give a diddly squat what he says or who he chooses to ride for. Give the lad his wish, he doesn't want to be associated with GB, fair enough let him go race for Germany. Adjust his starting average accordingly and Kings Lynn can find a replacement.

 

 

 

And, of course, Lambert has benefited from the system in place in this country. He rode a good portion of last year for Kings Lynn in the NL and he has signed for their EL team on a 3-point average this year, again as a result of his nationality.

 

If I was the head of the BSPA, I would be on the phone to Rob Lyon straight away informing him that should Lambert not wish to take advantage of his British nationality, they would be happy to adjust his EL average accordingly.

 

I wasn't aware he was questioning his nationality. Just saying he didn't want to ride for England. I believe the rules relate to the riders nationality and not his racing licence. I'm sure Rob Lyon is well aware of how he feels and thinks.

 

To repeat what someone else has already said. Britain needs Lambert far more then Lambert need Britain. The whole thing reeks of jealousy that Lynn has unearthed a talented youngster. He didn't take the draft route on offer to other British youngsters, he wanted to go the whole hog, the full package. Give him the credit he deserves. Instead of chastisizersing him for something he said, that was purely published to help sell magazines

Edited April 3, 2014 by GRW123

[stevebrum]

Well I have just read the article in today's Speedway Star and a what a jumped up little beep Robert Lambert comes across as.

 

He is going to refuse to ride for Team GB, will not ride in the British U21's, even though he is seeded through to the final, and says he is going to continue riding on a German license.

 

Just because the BSPA have safe guards in for young riders and won't allow 500cc competitive racing for U16's.

 

Regarding Team GB and U21's. "The British authorities haven't really helped me, so I don't feel as if I need to help them out in any way. I wouldn't do it. There is such a sour taste in my mouth if I did do a meeting, I wouldn't go out and put in 110%. There is such a sour taste in my mouth I wouldnt put myself out to do it. I have got german fixtures in place. It's funny that they're seeding me through and I think they are trying to get me back over here. That's not going to happen".

 

Oh dear. Jumped up little $h/t comes to mind. Just because the UK has rules regarding young riders which he doesn't agree with he throws a massive tantrum and refuses to ride for his country or do the U21's.

 

He might be a precocious talent for his age but it seems he is already alienating British speedway fans.

 

Which is a shame as by saying such things he could well will miss out on lucrative sponsorship deals. Showing his immaturity I guess.

 

Thoughts?

 

Thoughts are if he was a Poole asset you would be on his side.

 

Would shovlar have posted this if the lad was a Poole asset??

 

 

 

He would have been scathing at how dare the BSPA treat there asset so badly!!

 

But can a rider be reassesed before he has ridden?...... (Brady Kurtz)

 

Think you answered your own question!

It is a dangerous situation the lad has put himself in.

He has said nothing different to what Woffy, Rico, Scotty have said in the past.

However by putting his German commitments first he might just have cut his own nose off here.

If you want the 3 point average that the UK brings then he is entitled to it. But don't go on about putting another country before your nations commitments!

If he wants to be treated fairly and is serious about his comments then yes he can be re-assessed on a 4 (fair for Milik so fair for Lambert) and leave the Stars in the lurch!

 

Hopefully it is an off the cuff comment and heat of the moment thing that is repairable.

[tellboy]

 

 

I don't give a diddly squat what he says or who he chooses to ride for. Give the lad his wish, he doesn't want to be associated with GB, fair enough let him go race for Germany. Adjust his starting average accordingly and Kings Lynn can find a replacement.

Can't quite believe all the crap aimed at a 15 year old lad on here.So what if he said what he said.The lad is sure to think GB has turned there back on him,would he be where he is today if it wasn't for having those competitive meetings on the continent.Probably not.

Can't believe,assuming we are mainly adults on here that a few of you have to slate a young lad who wants to make his way in the sport.At least he isn't out there doing what a lot of teenagers are doing.

Oh and I love the comment about adjusting his starting average so Lynn would have to find a replacement,because King's Lynn could just replace him with yes you've got it Robert Lambert himself.

[G the Bee]

 

 

 

I wasn't aware he was questioning his nationality. Just saying he didn't want to ride for England. I believe the rules relate to the riders nationality and not his racing licence. I'm sure Rob Lyon is well aware of how he feels and thinks.

 

To repeat what someone else has already said. Britain needs Lambert far more then Lambert need Britain. The whole thing reeks of jealousy that Lynn has unearthed a talented youngster. He didn't take the draft route on offer to other British youngsters, he wanted to go the whole hog, the full package. Give him the credit he deserves. Instead of chastisizersing him for something he said, that was purely published to help sell magazines

 

I never said he was questioning his nationality. I said he was taking advantage of his nationality. Which he is. One one hand, he wants to be treated as British when it suits him (to ride in the NL and sign for the EL on a 3 point average) but not be treated as British when it comes to deciding who he represents at international level.

 

Your second paragraph is absolute nonsense. At the moment no one knows whether Lambert will even make the grade at international level. Believe me, I talk from experience.

 

Ten years ago, Coventry signed Morten Risager at 16. He was immediately on the pace in an Elite League which was far stronger then than it is now. The general consensus amongst Bees fans was that if he was that good at 16, how good would he be in a few years time. We all know the answer to that. With respect to Morten, he never developed into anything more than an EL second string.

 

Then one can look at Josh Auty. When he was 16, he was on a par with Tai Woffinden. I remember Josh flying around Brandon in second halves when he must have been 14 and 15. Again, what happened to Josh? It would not be unreasonable to suggest that his career has leveled off somewhat and he never progressed to anything like international level. Not even riding in the EL this year.

 

Form at 16 years of age is no indication of how a rider will progress.

[stratton]

If he comes here and reads this he will probably stick with the Germans.

 

And he was no more mouthing off than any other rider who gives an interview in SS.

 

I just read it in ASDA and he made some good points.

The question he asked was why should he ride for GB when they have done nothing to help him.

Something Scott Nicholls, Tai Woffinden and Lee Richardson have commented on in the past with 2 of them coming to the conclusion 'why bother'.

And they weren't mouthing off.

 

The kid is just a kid but he sounds like he has a plan.

Riding for GB may well be a low priority for him and who is to blame for that.

If the BSPA took more interest in the national side then kids like Lambert might have their interest piqued.

The fast track was mentioned in the interview but we know that was only done to save money laudable as it surely is.

 

Lambert has a couple of Euro berths as well as here and he may well be someone to court at international level in the near future.

We certainly could do with someone like him.

But as we have seen in Russia the governing body can cock it up disastrously.

The BSPA are having trouble keeping their senior riders which I am sure Lambert is aware of so maybe he is playing it cagey and hoping that the powers that be come to him rather than he to them.

If so he's not daft for a speedway rider.

 

To be fair, Tai did used to have some whinges in the press, however this was one of things he cut out when he decided to get his head down and make the most of his ability.

He has to prove to me that he can do it over a PERiOD i mean 5 to 7 years i am not convinced he has done well but he in my mind is not in the same league as Craven, Lee,Collins we shall see. Edited April 3, 2014 by sidney

[orion]

See things from both sides ...As many have said if he does want to ride for gb ect then don't take the gifts he has been given in tems of average etc it's quite simple .

 

On the other hand we have to remember he is only a boy so have to cut him some slack if he comes out with some silly stuff

[SCB]

The blame for this lies more with his parents than Robert. Why are they letting him mouth off to the press?

 

Hopefully a few more years experience, calming down a little and he'll change his mind.

 

He has to remember that when he's riding for Team GB he's not doing it the BSPA he's doing it for Great Britain, his country. And what better way to stick two fingers up at the BSPA than to win the British under 21 title?

[Greg]

I bet you would all be saying somthing else if he wanted to ride for GB.

Robert done nothing wrong he has seen what best for him and that ride in Germany .

[superguest]

The BSPA cannot be blamed for him being too young to race competitively.

 

That said, He's done the right thing, finding somewhere he can race and has gained vital experience riding in Germany.

 

And not riding in the under 21s seems so backward ala Emils decision not to compete in the Grand Prix's.

Edited April 3, 2014 by superguest

[greyhoundp]

I havent read the article, only the comments on here, he definately thinks he is better than what he is at the present time, i base this on having seen him ride in the NL play Offs last season against Dudley home and away.

His decision not to ride in the Under 21 final wouldnt by any chance have something to do with the fact that he didnt ride Monmore Wood at all well in those self same Play Offs would it ?. I commented at the time, he walked apart from his Team mates towards the start line for the pre meeting introductions, he wore some flashy modern shades (not a problem) except that it was almost dark then he attempted to fire up his bike whilst introductions were still being made, that gave me the impression he seemed to have a rather large head on those shoulders. Hopefully after a few seasons racing he may learn respect has to be earned, and antagonising people is definately not an easy way to earn respect. Good luck Robert wherever you end up in your career.

Edited April 3, 2014 by greyhoundp

[E I Addio]

 

 

 

I wasn't aware he was questioning his nationality. Just saying he didn't want to ride for England. I believe the rules relate to the riders nationality and not his racing licence. I'm sure Rob Lyon is well aware of how he feels and thinks.

 

The whole thing reeks of jealousy that Lynn has unearthed a talented youngster. He didn't take the draft route on offer to other British youngsters, he wanted to go the whole hog, the full package. Give him the credit he deserves. Instead of chastisizersing him for something he said, that was purely published to help sell magazines

 

 

Ah , so we are down to the "everyone's jealous of poor little ol' Kings Lynn argument". What rubbish. Even Lambert himself doesn't cite that as a reason.. Its pretty clear that 90% of those posting on here either haven't read the article of haven't read it properly so let's be clear on exactly what he is complaining about.

 

Speedway Star paraphrases his complaint as follows :_ "Lambert feels the fact that he was unable to compete on a 500cc machine in his homeland and then only in the National League has not helped his progress" and then quotes him as saying "The reason I'm racing in Germany is because they wouldn't let me race here at a young age"

 

So we so the issue is that Lambert was not allowed to compete in this country on a 500cc machine at the age of 14. GRW23 wants us to believe that it its jealousy but actually its the rules. Not only the rules in this country but the rules in most speedway nations. In fact as SS points out Germany are "very much the exception rather than the norm when it comes to letting 14 year olds race as seniors."

 

SS also points out that "The Aussies won't let their juniors ride on a 500cc machine until they are 16 " ie a year later than the BSPA do, but I can't see that many of them have been held back by it.

 

So there you have it. Despite Lambert trying to tell us that it is just the BSPA and despite GRW 123 making a fool of himself by claiming it is jealousy against Kings Lynn the British rules on not allowing 14 year olds to race on 500cc machines is pretty much in line , it seems, with the rest of the speedway world except Germany. The World Champions of 2012 and 2013 had to follow the rules, as did Darcy Ward who is a very likely World Champion in waiting. I don't remember them going crying to the press about it and I don't remember them refusing to ride for their country because of it. But apparently that's not good enough for young Master Lambert who thinks the rules shouldn't apply to him.

 

There is another aspect to all this, as Speedway Star points out that some will concerned about ""exposing 14 year-olds to the inherent risks that come with riding a 500 cc bike with no brakes"

 

In all honesty does anybody think it is a good idea to have 14 years olds , barely out of puberty, still at school still going through serious growing spurts, to race a 500cc bike against seniors or should we have a rule that says " You can't race a 500cc machine until you are 15 unless your name is Robert Lambert", which seems to be what he is moaning about.

 

Certainly if the BSPA's rules are wrong about not allowing 14 year olds on 500cc bikes than a lot of other speedway nations are wrong as well.

Edited April 3, 2014 by E I Addio

[g13webb]

 

 

So there you have it. Despite Lambert trying to tell us that it is just the BSPA and despite GRW 123 making a fool of himself by claiming it is jealousy against Kings Lynn the British rules on not allowing 14 year olds to race on 500cc machines is pretty much in line , it seems, with the rest of the speedway world except Germany. The World Champions of 2012 and 2013 had to follow the rules, as did Darcy Ward who is a very likely World Champion in waiting. I don't remember them going crying to the press about it and I don't remember them refusing to ride for their country because of it. But apparently that's not good enough for young Master Lambert who thinks the rules shouldn't apply to him.

 

 

Typically you have taken what was written in the wrong context. The jealousy factor was aimed at those posters on here, who were coming out with all the flack, such as: ' If he's not British then he cant ride this year' and he'll have to alter his average so he can't ride for Lynn' etc. etc.. as if he's committed the biggest crime in the world.

 

Never once, was that comment directed at the BSPA. As for the rules , I am well aware of the restraints in place for 14yr olds, but you can't knock someone who has the ability to go places where he was allowed to race......

[Steve0]

Sounds like this lad is another Lewis Bridger - time will tell I suppose

[TMW]

14 year olds can ride 500's they just aren't allowed to race against an opponent. Hence why up till now Reece Downes has had his own personal heat in the Scunthorpe amateur meetings and why Robert Lamber had to ride round on his own at RH

SS also points out that "The Aussies won't let their juniors ride on a 500cc machine until they are 16 " ie a year later than the BSPA do, but I can't see that many of them have been held back by it.

 

So there you have it. Despite Lambert trying to tell us that it is just the BSPA and despite GRW 123 making a fool of himself by claiming it is jealousy against Kings Lynn the British rules on not allowing 14 year olds to race on 500cc machines is pretty much in line , it seems, with the rest of the speedway.

How is Australia the 'rest' of Speedway?. What do they do in Europe do?

Edited April 4, 2014 by TMW

[Jonny the spud]

In France you can't ride a 500 at 14. Ok there isn't a league system over here but they feel at 14 they're not ready or have the strength and endurance to control it.