iris123 Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 The comment wasn't made by one of your aliases was it?Talking to yourself again I have seen a few conversations on Facebook about you and they were unfavourable.So it all evens itself up in the end Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 8, 2014 Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 (edited) The comment wasn't made by one of your aliases was it?Talking to yourself again I have seen a few conversations on Facebook about you and they were unfavourable.So it all evens itself up in the end Not in the forums where I am moderating. And as I don't go outside these I don't really care. None of my forum contributors have ever mentioned a fact that you have "suddenly discovered". And as I am not having anything to do with Twitter the comments are hardly by me while the days of aliases - something popular in speedway journalism many years ago - have long been discarded by me. You really really thrive on being confrontational don't you? Edited April 8, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted April 9, 2014 Report Share Posted April 9, 2014 Back on topic - the fact is that not a lot of people in Germany were able to watch the NZ Grand PRix and see Martin Smolinski's fantastic victory. There was no tv coverage at all in Germany, not even highlights were shown on German tv. And it was not even possible to watch the official SGP live stream on the internet because access from Germany to this stream was blocked out. What a shame ! Smolinski's win in New Zealand was one of the major sporting sensations in recent years, but the Geman public, currently taking a little bit of notice of Speedway, thanks to the free tv coverage of the SEC and the Speedway Best Pairs, have no chance to see Smolinski in the SGP or the SWC. Anyone here in Germany wanting to see it has to use illegal internet streams or watch it on foreign tv stations, if available. Not many want or have the chance to do this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted April 9, 2014 Report Share Posted April 9, 2014 It's quite a few years since i was with my 'Bremen bird' lol so my German is very rusty. However, i've seen two mentions, or more accurately hints, that Sport 1 is not the only fish in the sea! What other sports or general channels either subscription or free to air are available in Germany who might consider carrying the SGP? Reading through articles it does seem it's not just a matter of Sport 1 having spent all their money on overseas football but it's a similar situation as to why we aren't seeing Polish speedway on TV namely their schedules are full of the traditional major sports on a Saturday night or Sunday afternoon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 9, 2014 Report Share Posted April 9, 2014 Back on topic - t Anyone here in Germany wanting to see it has to use illegal internet streams or watch it on foreign tv stations, if available. Not many want or have the chance to do this. Not sure i agree with you on this.It does seem from the friends i know and friends of friends that most people are only too happy to watch speedway on streams or foreign channels,whether it be GPs or foreign leagues.There are lots doing it and i saw plenty of comments and even pics of their rooms or when i go to meeting people ask me if i have watched such and such meeting,which can only be watched in this way.I don't think the problem is with the fans who go quite regularly.The problem at least for Smolinski i guess is he won't be reaching those armchair fans or casual viewers who.will get counted amongst those 5 million or so who watched Eurosport.It does seem speedway didn't get great figures on Sport1+ .In my opinion the numbers of fans in Germany are fairly small,with few "club" fans like in England or Poland,but more regional fans who go to most meetings.I tend to see lots of the same faces at meetings in the north.I would guess it is the same situation in the south. I wonder if Smoli is thinking of a channel like Servus TV which shows Ice Hockey in the winter.Not sure if they have a regular sport they show in summer.It might only be a relatively small channel,but it is free and might be happy with the numbers that speedway would attract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunichMassive Posted April 9, 2014 Report Share Posted April 9, 2014 Well Servus TV is the Red Bull Channel. They show Red Bull X Fighters, Red Bull Crashed Ice and i also watched Enduro there. But all of these Sports are supported by Red Bull. As the SGP Series is sponsored by Monster Energy i highly doubt that Servus TV would even consider including SGP in their programm. The only Sports TV Stations are Eurosport, Eurosport 2, Sport1, Sport1+. As it is not going to be on Eurosport it would only be available with pay tv. I have to say actually im not disappointed that Sport1+ didnt continue showing SGP, cause the commentator was pure bullrubbish. This guy didnt improve a bit in those three years, He kept on making the same misstakes again and again. I prefer watching that SGP Stream in HQ with enjoyable commentators! The only possibility to increase the amount of casual viewers is to bring it on Eurosport... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Indeed, EUROSPORT is the key to success, as is proven by the OneSport SEC and SBP coverage on Eurosport, which has instantly reached fantastic viewing figures all over Europe. That is not because the SEC or Best Pairs are a more attractive product compared to the SGP and SWC, certainly not. It is simply because EUROSPORT is the perfect platform, as it is available to pretty much every ordinary person all over Continental Europe, who has a tv set at home. With Sport 1 + (pay-tv) for example it was never going to be a success when they showed the SGP and SWC in the past three years, because not many people in Germany can view this channel. I coud not, and I had to visit a friend everytime they showed a Grand Prix. Then they often showed it not live, but only delayed coverage, and sometimes after midnight or even on a monday morning a 7 o'clock. Hardly surprising that their viewing figures for speedway were so bad. Oh, and I forgot to add that their commentator was a nut. Sport 1 (free-tv) is a very unpleasant tv channel, but could possibly show the speedway. They won't, though. They will show all kind of rubbish programme as long as they can make money with it. The programme is full of poker, sports fishing and similarly idiotic "sports", and their call-in shows run for hours, and the late-night adult adverts are really showing this channel's true identity. BSI / IMG should do all they can to get the SGP and SWC on EUROSPORT, this would be the key to success, as is proven by the success that OneSport had with their inferior product of the SEC and SBP, which has by far better viewing rates than the much superior product that is the SGP and SWC. There are not many other German tv channels possible for speedway. I agree that SERVUS TV would be very good, but their close connection with Red Bull may be a problem, although they did show some of the World Ice Racing Championship a couple of years ago. Their free to view weekly live coverage of the German (DEL) and the Austrian (EBEL) ice hockey leagues is first class. Other than Sport 1 (and their pay-for-view programme Sport 1+) and Servus TV, there is of course the big pay-tv network of SKY Germany. They show sports, but as far as I know only the premium sports, such as football, formula one and golf. Not sure if they do show anything else, as I have never been a subscriber to pay-tv, and I really don't care about f1, football or golf. iris writes, that many speedway fans in Germany are using the live streams on the internet, which is probably true for the dedicated fans, such as him and myself, but with hacked live-streams (the official SGP live stream is still not available in Germany!!!) the sport will never reach a decent number of viewers and will never reach the general sports fan in this country. The media in Germany does not take notice of a sport that is not present on the screen. I was very disappointed that my local newspaper did not even mention Smolinski's GP win, or that there is such a thing called Speedway Grand Prix at all. There was simply nothing, nada, niete in the German press and I have not heard it mentioned in any of the sports programmes on tv. Smolinski's GP win in New Zealand was one of the great moments in German motorsports history, and hardly anybody in this country noticed it. What a shame and what a wasted opportunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted April 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 We in Britain watch the GP`s on British Eurosport-is there a German Eurosport ? I ask because obviously BSI have contracts with Canal+ for Poland etc-could they separate Eurosport in Germany from other European countries ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 It is simply because EUROSPORT is the perfect platform, as it is available to pretty much every ordinary person all over Continental Europe, who has a tv set at home. And is willing to pay for it since its NOT FREE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 And is willing to pay for it since its NOT FREE! EUROSPORT is free to watch on the European Continent, except maybe in Scandinavia and the UK, who may have seperate versions of Europsort in their countries. We also have EUROSPORT 2, which is not available free to view but only via cable and You have to pay to view it. We in Britain watch the GP`s on British Eurosport-is there a German Eurosport ? I ask because obviously BSI have contracts with Canal+ for Poland etc-could they separate Eurosport in Germany from other European countries ? In Germany we have the regular version of EUROSPORT, which is available in most Euroepan countries, except Scandinavia and the UK, who get their own special versions of Eurosport. It is likely that Poland is the stumbling block for EUROSPORT coverage of the SGP and SWC, because afaik they have the same (regular) version of EUROSPORT in their country as we have here in Germany, and in other countries such as France, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, Russia, and all the other Southern and Eastern European nations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 except maybe So it's not's free. Live with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 So it's not's free. Live with it! Not sure what You want to tell me. In my country I can watch EUROSPORT free of charge all year long 24 hours a day, so that is what I call free tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Not sure what You want to tell me. In my country I can watch EUROSPORT free of charge all year long 24 hours a day, so that is what I call free tv. This is British Speedway Forum, the international section. Not just Germans here. Actually there are contributors from around the world (AUS, USA, NZ...) here. You can say it's free tv when you speak/write with just Germans, but you saying it's free doesn't make it free where I live. And not in the UK either. So it's not free! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 It is free in my country as well (yes I got your point ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 Thank You, DutchGrassTrack, I am not alone and a reminder to f-s-p : the title of this particular thread here is "Gp's not on German tv" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 10, 2014 Report Share Posted April 10, 2014 (edited) Indeed, EUROSPORT is the key to success, as is proven by the OneSport SEC and SBP coverage on Eurosport, which has instantly reached fantastic viewing figures all over Europe. There are not many other German tv channels possible for speedway. I agree that SERVUS TV would be very good, but their close connection with Red Bull may be a problem, although they did show some of the World Ice Racing Championship a couple of years ago. Their free to view weekly live coverage of the German (DEL) and the Austrian (EBEL) ice hockey leagues is first class. iris writes, that many speedway fans in Germany are using the live streams on the internet, which is probably true for the dedicated fans, such as him and myself, but with hacked live-streams (the official SGP live stream is still not available in Germany!!!) the sport will never reach a decent number of viewers and will never reach the general sports fan in this country. The media in Germany does not take notice of a sport that is not present on the screen. I was very disappointed that my local newspaper did not even mention Smolinski's GP win, or that there is such a thing called Speedway Grand Prix at all. There was simply nothing, nada, niete in the German press and I have not heard it mentioned in any of the sports programmes on tv. Smolinski's GP win in New Zealand was one of the great moments in German motorsports history, and hardly anybody in this country noticed it. What a shame and what a wasted opportunity. I would agree with you.My thoughts on Servus is that they have good coverage of Ice Hockey and Red Bull haven't shyed away from getting involved in SGP.They have sponsored a few riders over the years and didn't they even sponsor a Danish GP when Mikkel Bech was the(their) wildcard?It is about the only channel i could think of,ruling out most of the others i know.Maybe Smoli can sell it to them and get himself some Red Bull sponsorship as well?Only trying to second guess what his plan is. I was only trying to point out that the hardcore fans aren't affected by this and Munichmassive came along to back up my point by saying he prefers watching streams rather than the coverage on Sport 1+,which i also couldn't get.In fact i can't get Servus either,but could pop round to my girlfriend who has it in her Cable package.But as i said it is the casual fans Smoli needs to reach for his sponsors.You can't show sponsors any figures for fans who watch foreign tv or livestreams. It is a shame that Smoli got little or no attention from the media after his win.Like you,i didn't notice anything.My guess is with him and maybe his press man half way round the world it wasn't easy to get things done and it was probably as much of a shock to them as anyone else,so they had nothing in place.I know that speedway coverage in the hamburg edition of the Bild has not been too bad over the last two years or so,but that is i guess down to the press guys at Brokstedt.We have to hope now he is back and the rest of the meetings are fairly local that he will be on the ball from now on Edited April 10, 2014 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MunichMassive Posted April 23, 2014 Report Share Posted April 23, 2014 still nothing new about tv coverage in germany. i dont think anything will be sorted out until next year. wot a shame really! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 I don't think they will get it on tv here in Germany, ayway. Sport 1+ say they would be prepared to show it again, if they get it for free, as was the case in the past three years. No other tv-station is really interested since speedway is such a minority sport here in Germany, that hardly anyone knows it exists at all. So, BSI/IMG, please make the official SGP live stream available here in Germany, as long long as there is no tv coverage. The live stream is still blocked out here in Germany! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 So, BSI/IMG, please make the official SGP live stream available here in Germany, as long long as there is no tv coverage. The live stream is still blocked out here in Germany! But the SGP is shown in a 100 countries, isn't it...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 26, 2014 Report Share Posted April 26, 2014 (edited) I don't think they will get it on tv here in Germany, ayway. Sport 1+ say they would be prepared to show it again, if they get it for free, as was the case in the past three years. No other tv-station is really interested since speedway is such a minority sport here in Germany, that hardly anyone knows it exists at all. So, BSI/IMG, please make the official SGP live stream available here in Germany, as long long as there is no tv coverage. The live stream is still blocked out here in Germany! same issue in nz. but if We wait a few weeks we may get somw highlights. great being one of the 100 countries... Edited April 26, 2014 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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