Woz01 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) Whatever the reasons the club and promotion are an embaressment. How is this the promotions fault? The track was in far better condition this morning, we had no rain so how did it get into the state its in? Coventry Stadium have a lot to answer. Edited March 28, 2014 by woz01 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Surely the official track inspector for the BSPA must now get involved Is it still Colin Meredith? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) This guy doesn't know what to do on cold wet days, he has tried to pack it twice in a week and failed twice. He might be brilliant preparing Polish tracks, but is a long way off beig a curator in UK conditions or using the clay heavy shale Coventry has. Edited March 28, 2014 by jimmy jimmy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedybee Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 I remember a few years ago in Bournemouth a guy said he was a coach from the Seattle Seahawks( or another top American Football team) He ran the Bournemouth American football team for a while but the local echo finally ran a story on him. IN their research they called up the team in the US for a background story and they had never heard of him. He was a cleaner or something similar. Perhaps Sandhu should make a short phone call to Poland on Monday to see if this guy is who he says he is! See Paul Burbidge's article in Speedway Star this week.. he quotes a Polish contact friend who checked out the guy's credentials and he is for real, even if he seems like a walking, non-talking disaster zone.. dear oh dear! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Not funny really though is it Starman? No its not, quite the opposite. Basically Mick Horton who is Coventrys promoter is effectively responsable for Track preparation, simple as that. He is the promoter the buck stops with him... no if's no buts.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 No its not, quite the opposite. Basically Mick Horton who is Coventrys promoter is effectively responsable for Track preparation, simple as that. He is the promoter the buck stops with him... no if's no buts.. As usual, you are absolutely wrong... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) As usual, you are absolutely wrong... So you tell me why im wrong then? Edited March 28, 2014 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedaler Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Gary Havelock @GaryHavelock 5m I'll just spend 6 hours in my car for no reason. Coventry Stadium you are a JOKE pic.twitter.com/vFQ5ThnYhc Fit for nothing but a good crop of rhubarb! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Al Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Just a quick thought ... and I'll stress immediately this isn't anything to do with the political implications of employing an immigrant trackman, simply a reflection of different countries having different climates and sporting seasons. The Polish speedway season doesn't really get going until mid-April by which time the weather's warmer and, therefore, any moisture is far easier to dry out by natural evaporation and any permanent winter dampness in the track base should be much reduced. Track preparation isn't just about the technical skills of a track curator ... it's also about his/her ability to adapt those skills to the specific weather conditions that crop up on raceday. With reports yet again that Coventry's trackman is refusing to blade-off plenty of the damp sludge, is this as basic a case that his refusal is understandable ignorance from never having needed to do anything similar back home due to his country's later start to the season ? And the material used in Poland could be very different in terms of how it reacts to conditions, to the material used in the UK/Coventry? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbo Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Star man you are totally wrong the Stadium staff have responsibility for the track as I said previously I visited the Stadium this week and spoke with a member of the Stadium Staff who explained the position quite fully. Don't forget Speedway is not the only group that uses the track the other being monthly a Stock Car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) Star man you are totally wrong the Stadium staff have responsibility for the track as I said previously I visited the Stadium this week and spoke with a member of the Stadium Staff who explained the position quite fully. Don't forget Speedway is not the only group that uses the track the other being monthly a Stock Car. Thats not the point. Mick Horton is club owner and promoter he is ultimately responsable for everything coventry speedway, including the track. Edited March 28, 2014 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 No its not, quite the opposite. Basically Mick Horton who is Coventrys promoter is effectively responsable for Track preparation, simple as that. He is the promoter the buck stops with him... no if's no buts.. think you need to check facts before you post as you are wide of the mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 think you need to check facts before you post as you are wide of the mark You tell me why then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellowandblack Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Given that we shouldn't make statements unless supported by facts I have been looking at some of the climate statistics for Poland and the Midlands. Of course I should be in my seat at Brandon watching Bees thrash the Brummies rather than doing this. To be honest there doesn't seem to be a significant difference between the conditions in summer in terms of rainfall and temperature between Bydogoszcz, for instance, and Coventry . It is not exactly like the difference between UK and Australia or suchlike. In fact Central Poland seems to get a few more mm in summer than Central UK. Quoting 'Climate of the World' Koeppen-Geiger classification:The climate of England can be classified as Cfb Climate; a warm temperate humid climate with the warmest month lower than 22°C over average and four or more months above 10°C over average. Poland - a Cfb Climate, a warm temperate humid climate with the warmest month lower than 22°C over average and four or more months above 10°C over average. In other words the different climate excuse might not be explaining everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Come on, im waiting for a reply to my post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 From my experience the Brandon track has always held up well to a bit of rain, on many occasions after rain when its been thought it would be off its been on. I couldn`t believe it when I arrived today to see cars and vans on their way out. It does seem now even more so, that Mick is the innocent party in this pandemoneum. Theres NO excuses for todays call off, the stadium should pay compensation.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) From my experience the Brandon track has always held up well to a bit of rain, on many occasions after rain when its been thought it would be off its been on. I couldn`t believe it when I arrived today to see cars and vans on their way out. It does seem now even more so, that Mick is the innocent party in this pandemoneum. Theres NO excuses for todays call off, the stadium should pay compensation.... Why's he the inocent party?. He should have been at the track at some point during the morning to ensure all is in hand, if You lot are very quick to defend horton, why? Edited March 28, 2014 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 Coventry team manager Gary Havelock was left frustrated after his sides Elite League clash against local rivals Birmingham was called off – despite no rain falling in the local area throughout the entirety of the day. Havelock, based in Middlesbrough, arrived at the track shortly before the meeting was postponed, however the reason behind the postponement was blurred. Speaking exclusively to Speedway365 shortly after the confirmed postponement, Havelock said “It didn’t look like it had been raining, I spoke to Adam Roynon who said it hadn’t rained at all today. The track was a right old state. “Apparently Jason Garrity had been up the track since 12 o’clock cause he stopped over after racing at Ipswich last night and he said they need to get the big blade to blade it all off. However he (track curator) kept saying we should put some more dry shale on the track and try to pack it down on top of the surface. “From what I was seeing down at the track they’re going to have a problem as long as they keep employing this new track guy. I don’t personally know him but apparently his credentials are to be challenged. All I can say is to go by what Jason Garrity was telling me. “They could’ve gone round and round for the next 20 hours and it wouldn’t of been raceable – that’s how bad it was. To me it’s simple; last year the guy we had doing the track would say number one problem, meet on the first and second corner. After that problem the track was good, smooth and raceable – 95% of the time I was there the track was good. The week before press day they brought in some Polish guy who was the Bydgoszcz track curator – the guy doesn’t speak a word of English and he certainly doesn’t seem to know what he’s doing. “I think this can be an on going issue. Mick is in a difficult situation, he’s the one who puts the money in and signs the riders but he isn’t in charge of track preparation. The stadium seem to be the guys who are working on the track which puts Mick in a difficult situation.” Despite the negativity surrounding the track issues, Havelock does believe Coventry has a strong side and the playoffs are the first target to meet. Said Havelock “Compared to last years team the side looks great. Everybody is raring to go and stuff like this happens. It’s difficult at this point for everybody but thankfully the travelling fans wouldn’t of travelled too far as it was Coventry vs Birmingham. If it’d been Coventry vs Poole or something like that then you’ve got to think of the poor fans that have spent their hard earned money to be turned away with no wheels being turned.” Id be grateful if the Mods do not remove this post, it has not been made up, but copied from Speedway365, so deserves to be read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) Why's he the inocent party?. He should have been at the track at some point during the morning to ensure all is in hand, if You lot are very quick to defend horton, why? I agree. If I was gambling on several hundred thousand pounds worth of my cash promoting speedway. I'd be there for the track prep if there is a problem. He's had to outlay cash for two meetings now that sadly he has no return on. You'd think he'd have the men in black Mercedes and shades around to make sure everything goes to plan. Or as Shovlar says, send trackman to the bar for the afternoon buy him drinks and supply a taxi home then get a decent guy in to prep track. Edited March 28, 2014 by Deano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 28, 2014 Report Share Posted March 28, 2014 (edited) I agree. If I was gambling on several hundred thousand pounds worth of my cash promoting speedway. I'd be there for the track prep. He's had to outlay cash for two meetings now that sadly he has no return on. You'd think he'd have the men in black Mercedes and shades around to make sure everything goes to plan. Thank you. Even better, an appearance by himself. After all, he is apparantly, club owner/promoter... Coventry team manager Gary Havelock was left frustrated after his sides Elite League clash against local rivals Birmingham was called off – despite no rain falling in the local area throughout the entirety of the day. Havelock, based in Middlesbrough, arrived at the track shortly before the meeting was postponed, however the reason behind the postponement was blurred. Speaking exclusively to Speedway365 shortly after the confirmed postponement, Havelock said “It didn’t look like it had been raining, I spoke to Adam Roynon who said it hadn’t rained at all today. The track was a right old state. “Apparently Jason Garrity had been up the track since 12 o’clock cause he stopped over after racing at Ipswich last night and he said they need to get the big blade to blade it all off. However he (track curator) kept saying we should put some more dry shale on the track and try to pack it down on top of the surface. “From what I was seeing down at the track they’re going to have a problem as long as they keep employing this new track guy. I don’t personally know him but apparently his credentials are to be challenged. All I can say is to go by what Jason Garrity was telling me. “They could’ve gone round and round for the next 20 hours and it wouldn’t of been raceable – that’s how bad it was. To me it’s simple; last year the guy we had doing the track would say number one problem, meet on the first and second corner. After that problem the track was good, smooth and raceable – 95% of the time I was there the track was good. The week before press day they brought in some Polish guy who was the Bydgoszcz track curator – the guy doesn’t speak a word of English and he certainly doesn’t seem to know what he’s doing. “I think this can be an on going issue. Mick is in a difficult situation, he’s the one who puts the money in and signs the riders but he isn’t in charge of track preparation. The stadium seem to be the guys who are working on the track which puts Mick in a difficult situation.” Despite the negativity surrounding the track issues, Havelock does believe Coventry has a strong side and the playoffs are the first target to meet. Said Havelock “Compared to last years team the side looks great. Everybody is raring to go and stuff like this happens. It’s difficult at this point for everybody but thankfully the travelling fans wouldn’t of travelled too far as it was Coventry vs Birmingham. If it’d been Coventry vs Poole or something like that then you’ve got to think of the poor fans that have spent their hard earned money to be turned away with no wheels being turned.” Id be grateful if the Mods do not remove this post, it has not been made up, but copied from Speedway365, so deserves to be read. Thats the second time you've put this up, what you trying to say?? Edited March 28, 2014 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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