T.N.T. Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I think it has to remain at two, otherwise one kid on his own really would be swamped by it all. Not really. If there was a points limit for the top 5 again, then teams could have say 7.00 to sign the two reserves. Some draft riders may be over a 3.00 average, so all reserves would be no higher than a 4.00 rider and this would be better for doubling up riders not in the draft. The draft riders would be at #7 and would face each other in the two reserves races and also once in another heat. So it wouldn't be much different than now but teams wouldn't be relying on the scores of draft riders so much as they will be this season in my opinion. However the Premier League also needs to adopt this system instead of employing out of touch foreigners they would have a young British reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Just hope that all teams can see the season out ...think it's going to very hard to with crowds bound to drop once the season because of the new rule about the reserves what in my view is a poor one and will have a massive effect on teams like Swindon who have ended up with poor ones that they won't be able to do nowt about it . Just hope that all teams can see the season out ...think it's going to very hard to with crowds bound to drop once the season because of the new rule about the reserves what in my view is a poor one and will have a massive effect on teams like Swindon who have ended up with poor ones that they won't be able to do nowt about it .I do agree the rule is a poor one, but i don't believe that rule alone will have an affect on crowds.i think in World Cup year it is going to be a challenging one for the sport i just hope at Swindon we come through it and the sport also as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Yea forgot the World Cup as well ...I think I Fear for Brum the most with side they have put out . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Hammer Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 We'll prepared tracks & great racing. As few injuries as possible and no rain until November Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I just hope fans don't become fed up if their top 5 is scoring well but they keep getting beat because their draft riders are struggling. Have a feeling one or two teams fans will certainly be worrying that is going to be the case. Let's hope that any serious injuries though are something that won't get spoken about because there isn't any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnglishRoundabout Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Fans will stop going if their team is losing. It happens every year in every sport. As orion says, Birmingham look very vulnerable. With their track record regarding attendances, I too fear for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I just hope fans don't become fed up if their top 5 is scoring well but they keep getting beat because their draft riders are struggling. Have a feeling one or two teams fans will certainly be worrying that is going to be the case. Let's hope that any serious injuries though are something that won't get spoken about because there isn't any. This was the breakdown tonight. Leicester 42, 1-5 scored 38, 6-7 scored 4 Peterborough 48, 1-5 scored 32, 6-7 scored 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 This was the breakdown tonight. Leicester 42, 1-5 scored 38, 6-7 scored 4 Peterborough 48, 1-5 scored 32, 6-7 scored 16 There lies the problem & yes it's happened in the past but that was when you had a points limit for your whole team not your 1-5. The problem now is it will stick in the throat even more & it will turn fans away as a result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) There lies the problem & yes it's happened in the past but that was when you had a points limit for your whole team not your 1-5. The problem now is it will stick in the throat even more & it will turn fans away as a result. Exactly. In the past if you built your team wrong and had poor reserve you could rebuild, drop someone from the 1-5 and try again. Now, if you have the wrong reserves you're stuck. On the other hand you could have a poor/average 1-5 and good reserves, see your team drop below the limit despite having two 8-9 point reserves (and if Joe Jacobs and Oliver Greenwood can score 8 each away from home, reserves can average 8-9) winning you meetings and you can strengthen up! Whos going to get the stick? The reserves. Edited March 22, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) I think the League is going to be abit of a farce with the reserve rules.Clubs paying a fortune for Heat Leaders who probably won't have much influence on a match .But it is aTeam Sport. Edited March 22, 2014 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 To see Poole win nothing, finish 5th after clinging onto 4th all season. Preferably as a result of a dodgy rain-off decision after heat 12 causing then to lose a crucial match by 1 point More seriously I would like to see all clubs manage to break-even financially, and if it is to be Peter Karlssons last season (which seems quite likely) I just want to be there to see him score one last quality maximum. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 A rule that has good intentions (suits certain parties) that has not been properly thought out.I didn't realise with the amount of comments made on here how many people think crowds could go down because of it.If say you had one reserve a Brit at the level of Kerr, Garrity,Ellis, Lambert,(ect) it could of worked having two is pushing it a bit we shall see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Me personally think crowds have a chance to build. For once there looks to be about 1-7 teams chasing 4tg spot. Can only be good for the sport. I just want a injury free season and for belle Vue to at least achieve the play offs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecoombdog Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 The idea of the draft is good. Just the actual planning of it is poor. Birks, Auty and Roynon missing out on top 5 places is a joke. While they prob wont ever be world beaters, these 3 will go further in the sport than 95 % of the NL riders. If it had been 1 NL and 1 British rider similar to the standard of those 3 then no one will be complaining. Ive been saying for years teams should have British reserves. With regards to the mighty Robins, it has to be the play offs again. If Morris carries on his development of the 2nd half of last season then we are laughing. Just cant see past a Poole/ KL tho final barring any major injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Good thread Sidney, many interesting issues. On a personal note, I think all the rules and ideas are directed to keeping what dwindling support there is, rather then appealing to extra Joe public. Once we had massive support because the sport was directed to the supporter, now it all about club survival and keeping the star riders happy. Like you, I too think the Draft was a good idea, but badly implemented. and the subsequent protected heat format makes the whole spectacle a joke. If a NL rider is going to be a match winners, Surely they will want more money, plus the high demands of the star riders will have to be questioned, specially when his scores will be significantly smaller . Just two issues that could pop-up in the near future. As for Lynn this year, I am very optimistic. We have acquired a decent team thanks to Buster running a NL team. We have benefitted this year from the time and effort put in with these young British riders, and hopefully this will bear fruit this year. I can see the Stars being very strong at home, and also capable of a few successes away. We start the campaign as a good team, and I hope we finish as a team. If that means we miss out again so be it. The harm it does to the riders confidence when dropped and replaced must be tremendous. Obviously I would love to see them crowned Elite League Champions. But we must do it right, we do it as a team, a team that everyone can relate too....... I'm sure then the crowds at the Norfolk Arena would be replenished to their former splendour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*JJ Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 The idea of the draft is good. Just the actual planning of it is poor. Birks, Auty and Roynon missing out on top 5 places is a joke. While they prob wont ever be world beaters, these 3 will go further in the sport than 95 % of the NL riders. If it had been 1 NL and 1 British rider similar to the standard of those 3 then no one will be complaining. Ive been saying for years teams should have British reserves. I doubt it - Auty has peaked as a PL heat leader (he was the Brummies reserve for two years but never improved), sadly the other two have peaked due to injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Belle vue to finish in the top half of the table for a change and a nice dry summer will make me happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van wolfswinkel Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Hope for no serious injuries, good weather, good crowds, good racing, Swindon shafting everyone else, Batch, Killer, Morra, Gusto, and the Klindtmeister, in the top 20 averages, and most important pay the riders on time, otherwise the fans that pay their hard-earned cash are being let down, as happened last year, with riders not trying. Like to see local Purton rider Darryl Ritchings do well, Swindon always had good crop of local riders years ago. Was talking to Gary Wooster of Lower Stratton Service Station, ex-mechanic for local ex-Robins Mad Wellie, Ashby, Kilby, etc., still runs an ad in the programme, but hasn't been to Blunsdon for years, lost interest when all the foreign mercenaries started coming in and racenight changed from Saturday to Thursdays. Loads of people in the town still show an interest in the team, but not so many go now with cost and foreign riders being the main reason cited for non-attendance. At least the reserves are English. Be good to see Brits doing well and TW being world champion again. Well-balanced teams would be good with no cannon fodder. And no rule-bending by certain teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Good thread Sidney, many interesting issues. On a personal note, I think all the rules and ideas are directed to keeping what dwindling support there is, rather then appealing to extra Joe public. Once we had massive support because the sport was directed to the supporter, now it all about club survival and keeping the star riders happy. So watering the league down year on year is directed at keeping the dwindling support there is?? The changes are aimed at saving money - charge the same for less - it has been that way for some time now and the dwindling support is rightly doing just that - dwindling! As the phrase goes - you reap what you sow and unless they look at the value for money element, support will continue to fall until speedway is a more insignificant sport in the UK than it currently is! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 I doubt it - Auty has peaked as a PL heat leader (he was the Brummies reserve for two years but never improved), sadly the other two have peaked due to injury.Cant agree with that JJ i totally agree with the coombdog a disgrace that all have been denied a chance as they are all good anough for the EL.JJ have a look in Auty,s first year at Brum he put well over 1.5 points on his average.Ok last year was disappointing for Josh but if you look in both seasons he did ok in the top 5 i was more disappointed in him when he was at reserve but in the overall shape of the Brum team he still chipped in with points.Adam what can you say bloody unlucky, thats it but he has rebuilt before i hope he gets his confidence and he has the ability.Ashley i liked him last year he struggled at the abbey mainly through lack of meetings but away at times he really impressed me.And Ash has done brilliantly well to come back as quickly as this it shows how fit he must of been slowly slowly for him but i think he will be ok in time i really hope so i enjoyed watching him for Swindon last year.It is great for these draft riders to get a chance and i hope it works out for them but Auty,Roynon,Birks have been badly let down in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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