tyretrax Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Speedway becomes like Europe, bound by red tape and regulation! Do the tapes not have to be white? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted March 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 pleased to be able to give everyone a heads up re this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 At Plymouth last night we were advised that if a rider now touches the tapes with his helmet he is no longer excluded. A "warning"is issued instead. Thus ref Mick Posslewhite ordered a re-run of heat 12 without penalising Richard Andrews. An exclusion (disqualifiaction sorry) only applies if it's the bike that infringes. Wondering what the thinking is behind this? Thats a gooden, whatever will they come up with next?? Its always been that way in league racing. The bike has to touch the start for an exclusion. In international racing the rider would be excluded. In the old days you could roll and touch the tapes, only be excluded if you break them, but i doubt you can go back that far.. By the way, the new word is expelled from a race,,, but don't tell dear uncle Kelvin.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 SORRY know I am all for letting it go unless the tapes are broken and flyers should be accepted as part of the sport I once knew , I know I am in a majority of one but it is a free society we live in after allI'm in partial agreement.I think the rule change to excluding fir touching the tapes is one of the few rule changes speedway got right. But... if you can get a flyer without touching them, I agree it should be race on. Nothing more frustrating thsn seeing a rider make a genuinely great start but the ref call a re run. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 I'm in partial agreement. I think the rule change to excluding fir touching the tapes is one of the few rule changes speedway got right. But... if you can get a flyer without touching them, I agree it should be race on. Nothing more frustrating thsn seeing a rider make a genuinely great start but the ref call a re run. The problem is that Speedway has no mechanism to distinguish between the rolling cheat and that perfect start. In Athletics for example the blocks are wired to the timimg and a start better than what is considered humanly possible is a false start even if after the gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 In the old days you could roll and touch the tapes, only be excluded if you break them, but i doubt you can go back that far.. By the way, the new word is expelled from a race,,, but don't tell dear uncle Kelvin.. No I don't. The rule was changed about the time I was born. No it's not expelled. It's disqualified if we're being pedantic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 No I don't. The rule was changed about the time I was born. No it's not expelled. It's disqualified if we're being pedantic. It was "excluded" in my day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABS Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 Ah the good old days of "Rolling" Reg Wilson and Doug "Flyer" Wyer are long gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJ81 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 It was "excluded" in my day. My young son uses "Excludified" which I quite like - perhaps we could adopt this? It sounds quite ominous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 No it's not expelled. It's disqualified if we're being pedantic. You obviously lack a sence of Humour.. The problem is that Speedway has no mechanism to distinguish between the rolling cheat and that perfect start. Yes you can. Its called a sharp eyed Referee.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 It was "excluded" in my day. Still is to me!!! :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 You obviously lack a sence of Humour.. Yes you can. Its called a sharp eyed Referee.. So Athletics are wasting their money with the technology then when a sharp eyed middle aged man will do just fine! And what happens when you have a ref with eyesight about as sharp as custard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 So Athletics are wasting their money with the technology then when a sharp eyed middle aged man will do just fine! And what happens when you have a ref with eyesight about as sharp as custard? Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm - Custard. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 I am pleasantly surprised by number of people who share my views of rules regarding starts in modern day s/way ,it maybe that I am looking through rose tinted glasses at the past but were not the 70's a boom time for our sport?.So they must have been doing something right and there is IMO a fine balance from the fact that if a rider is moving he runs a greater risk of breaking the tapes.I also feel that there was no greater sight than Olsen ,Mauger and Briggs &co trying to out fox each other at the tapes.A speedway race lasts less than a minute and half and I personally considered gardening, tape touching etc part of the entertainment ,rather than have robotic race after race with four static figures at the start.I always watch the habits and routines of each rider which many do with out knowing some of which is lost in most cases due to the present rules .If nothing else changes flyers should not be brought back and punished for doing what all riders do, taking risks to various degrees everytime they take to the track. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 (edited) I am pleasantly surprised by number of people who share my views of rules regarding starts in modern day s/way ,it maybe that I am looking through rose tinted glasses at the past but were not the 70's a boom time for our sport?.So they must have been doing something right and there is IMO a fine balance from the fact that if a rider is moving he runs a greater risk of breaking the tapes.I also feel that there was no greater sight than Olsen ,Mauger and Briggs &co trying to out fox each other at the tapes.A speedway race lasts less than a minute and half and I personally considered gardening, tape touching etc part of the entertainment ,rather than have robotic race after race with four static figures at the start.I always watch the habits and routines of each rider which many do with out knowing some of which is lost in most cases due to the present rules .If nothing else changes flyers should not be brought back and punished for doing what all riders do, taking risks to various degrees everytime they take to the track. try convincing all the whingers,,, if a rider is moving at the start, he has a 50/50 chance of getting a flyer or missing it, some you win some you lose :-(,,, even if riders were in stalls or dog traps, (for big dogs),,, they will still not come out equally/evenly,,, some people react quicker than others and is that not makes them a better sportsperson,,, how many times has a rider laid a bike down to avoid a stricken rider ?, quick reactions,,, how many times has a rider been hit when down ?, maybe not so quick reactions,,,, so why penalise riders if the tapes are'nt touched or broken ??? Edited March 18, 2014 by ruffdiamond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy2706 Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 Whilst agreeing with Fast Gater and plainly being at least as old as he, old video clips often show rolling gardeners watching the tapes, not the solenoids. Mauger was effectively dictating the start, roll once, pull back, roll again, pull back and the ref would let the tapes go, but Mauger was already letting the clutch go, but from two feet back flying just under the rising tapes whilst already moving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 I'd hate to see them allowing rolling and tape touching again, led to more one sided racing than anything else in the sport and huge frustration on the part of the fans if my memories of the times are anything like accurate. The current way is not 100% perfect and when a rider gets a perfect start and is recalled it's as frustrating as the old 'flyer' however it happens a lot less often. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 I'd hate to see them allowing rolling and tape touching again, led to more one sided racing than anything else in the sport and huge frustration on the part of the fans if my memories of the times are anything like accurate. The current way is not 100% perfect and when a rider gets a perfect start and is recalled it's as frustrating as the old 'flyer' however it happens a lot less often. Why one sided? current riders would adjust to the rules if we reverted back ( I know there is no chance ) but flyers should not be made to lose out if the tapes are not broken or touched .I never enter into old riders being better than the current crop but Mauger &co would have been the same riders in this era as they were in their own.My point being that he would adapt to rules and use them to his advantage and spend half his life having make restarts by the way the sport is run by "refs " these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 You obviously lack a sence of Humour.. Whereas you just lack any "sence" whatsoever... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 What really annoys me, is when a rider gets left at the tapes & the riders are called back for an unsatisfactory start, with the rider that is left at the tape being warned for moving! Punish him by letting the race continue & him losing the points, not give him another chance to get the points. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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