Mike.Butler Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) At Plymouth last night we were advised that if a rider now touches the tapes with his helmet he is no longer excluded. A "warning"is issued instead. Thus ref Mick Posslewhite ordered a re-run of heat 12 without penalising Richard Andrews. An exclusion (disqualifiaction sorry) only applies if it's the bike that infringes. Wondering what the thinking is behind this? Edited March 16, 2014 by Mike.Butler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Jack Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 I'd say any rider touching the tapes with his "helmet" should be seriously reprimanded 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Helmets don't win meetings - bikes do!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 I'm guessing it because if your helmet touches the tapes you didn't necessarily jump the start, not the case if the bike does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Just checked from a FIM referee and in FIM meeting he would have been excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 I would allow the race to finish and THEN exclude the offender! That would soon stop it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 if riders stayed where start marshalls put them, there shouldnt be any rolling..the moment they move back, the intention is there 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 I suppose it's to not penalise riders who have bigger helmets, lol! That's nature. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Let riders do what they want regarding moving, rolling or jumping at the start. If they touch the tapes they get excluded. Would stop the did he didn't he move scenario. When a rider moves forward the ref just waits until they roll back and then let's the tapes go. Or have a system that releases the tapes at a random time after the green light is pressed. Then upto the ref to just see if anyone touches the tapes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Its always been that way in league racing. The bike has to touch the start for an exclusion. In international racing the rider would be excluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Its always been that way in league racing. The bike has to touch the start for an exclusion. In international racing the rider would be excluded. Excluded - I much prefer that word. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 (edited) I'm guessing it because if your helmet touches the tapes you didn't necessarily jump the start, not the case if the bike does. Â So why are they being warned then is the question I would ask? Â If they don't touch the tapes (with their wheel/bike), let it go. Edited March 16, 2014 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifordukesfan Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 I suppose it's to not penalise riders who have bigger helmets, lol! Â Seriously, the rule change I'd like to see is a race is only pulled back for tape touching or a first bend incident, if a rider is moving and gets a flier then that should be just part of the skill involved in making a good start. Â Meetings would be a lot smoother and referees wouldn't be under unfair scrutiny when a rider doesn't move but makes a perfect start and is pulled back or when a rider is barely moving, but still moving a fraction before the tapes go up and the race isn't stopped. Â Keep it simple. Agree entirely, why penalise a rider who's done his gardening effectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 SORRY know I am all for letting it go unless the tapes are broken and flyers should be accepted as part of the sport I once knew , I know I am in a majority of one but it is a free society we live in after all 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 At Plymouth last night we were advised that if a rider now touches the tapes with his helmet he is no longer excluded. A "warning"is issued instead. Thus ref Mick Posslewhite ordered a re-run of heat 12 without penalising Richard Andrews. An exclusion (disqualifiaction sorry) only applies if it's the bike that infringes. Wondering what the thinking is behind this? Giraffe's taking up speedway ???,,, lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 SORRY know I am all for letting it go unless the tapes are broken and flyers should be accepted as part of the sport I once knew , I know I am in a majority of one but it is a free society we live in after all Oh no your not. Myself and Stuart Robson would be on your side too. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Oh no your not. Myself and Stuart Robson would be on your side too. :approve: and me :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westhamboy66 Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 SORRY know I am all for letting it go unless the tapes are broken and flyers should be accepted as part of the sport I once knew , I know I am in a majority of one but it is a free society we live in after all i think you might be surprised at how many share your view. Great memories of Mauger bending the tapes at Custom House with the ref trying to catch him out. Added to the excitement unlike the joke of the unsatisfactory start that prompts all riders to return to the pits wasting another ten minutes and turning a once exciting sport to a real bore sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Tall riders at a disadvantage. This is heightist and infringes their EU human rights. Â VOTE FARAGE! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy2706 Posted March 17, 2014 Report Share Posted March 17, 2014 At Plymouth last night we were advised that if a rider now touches the tapes with his helmet he is no longer excluded. A "warning"is issued instead. Thus ref Mick Posslewhite ordered a re-run of heat 12 without penalising Richard Andrews. An exclusion (disqualifiaction sorry) only applies if it's the bike that infringes. Wondering what the thinking is behind this? Quite how it was anything to do with Andrews remains unclear to me, he was left at the line with his head pulled back by the tapes when every one else had gone. To be truthful, the whole thing hinges on a referee's determination not to be made a monkey of by a rider anticipating the start, if the tapes catch his peak he has successfully passed his bike under a rising tape that has already been released by the referee.. What is the problem apart from damage to a referee's ego? What next, riders not to move until the tapes reach the top of the poles? Speedway becomes like Europe, bound by red tape and regulation! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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