IainB Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 at least take on board ianp's view iainb Did you go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanobe Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Yes. I think you may be best to read though the posts prior to your post. And ifyou could then add furthr insight, I am quite sure it will be read with compelling consideration to your views. Once again, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 One thing I must say on here. The track is actually the responsibility of the stadium owners not the promotion. They basically turn up and are given a track to race on. No excuse for the poor communication though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Neil, you have obviously read the many posts regarding last nights fiasco. The sooner you respond to them, the more credibility you will get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbo Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I had a conversation with Blayne after the meeting the main point I was making was why did the meeting start when the condition was as bad as it was. He and Mr Rogers tried to explain that the responsibility was the total responsibility of the match referee and not the two respective team managers. I cannot believe that this is the case that the referee overrules the team managers. I would also suggest that there is a legal responsibility on the management to provide a suitable and safe circuit. If the accident in heat 4 had been fatal (thank God it wasan't) the legal position would have been considered by a Coroner, imagine the problem that would have caused 2 team managers being ignored and overruled by the match referee. Simply the meeting should have been called off well before the start for the sake of supporters (especially those from the Black Country) the management were aware of the state of the track because after starting the meeting there was no adverse weather which usually happens when meetings are called off, no complaint when it rains during the meeting and causes early stoppage this is an act of God. All the other criticism in previous posts are correct especially Ivan the delays were unacceptable, no information to the supporters and generally a miserable night. Speedway supporters are a resilient lot, pay your money, witness what can only be described as an evening of poor entertainment (one and half hours to complete 6 heats ) and go home, no demonstrations, no threats, just lighter pockets and a moan. Can't see football supporters doing just that, I think not!. Full marks to Blayne, not impressed with the attitude of the other member of staff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 .....Ivanobe......... When that happened the promotion lost their customers goodwill and trust. It really is that simple. I won't quote the post because it's quite long but agree with everything in it. Well said Ivanobe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I had a conversation with Blayne after the meeting the main point I was making was why did the meeting start when the condition was as bad as it was. He and Mr Rogers tried to explain that the responsibility was the total responsibility of the match referee and not the two respective team managers. I cannot believe that this is the case that the referee overrules the team managers. Believe it. The Regulations State that the Ref "exercises supreme control of a Meeting" from the time they enter the stadium until declaring the meeting closed. They are free to consult the CoC, TMs and Captains but the final decision is theirs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREDON Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Have put a comment on the Elite League Coventry Bees 2014 forum page. Absolute shambles, promotion could not care less about the fans. Not their fault but the Midlands Motorway and trunk road network is in chaos, mostly around 10pm onwards, hope everyone got home ok 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Mr Watson - your silence is deafening - thought you had more about you than you are showing. More contempt for us the fans that keep you well fed ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) Believe it. The Regulations State that the Ref "exercises supreme control of a Meeting" from the time they enter the stadium until declaring the meeting closed. They are free to consult the CoC, TMs and Captains but the final decision is theirs. TBF I didn't go but reading the posts the problem lies firmly in the handling of the situation rather than the situation itself. Speedway fans are used to chaotic meetings but it does seem the handling fell a little short. A short apology + free entry for the next meeting = PR face saved Edited March 22, 2014 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyb Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 TBF I didn't go but reading the posts the problem lies firmly in the handling of the situation rather than the situation itself. Speedway fans are used to chaotic meetings but it does seem the handling fell a little short.A short apology + free entry for the next meeting = PR face saved Yeah you dealing with the Horton brothers (?) here though - peas in a pod as they say. When was the last time Colin and Mick been seen together - coincidence or spooky ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abbo Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I can't agree with Woz01 that the Stadium are responsible for the track. Surely if Mick Horton's Company lease the Stadium for the purpose of Speedway racing they and they alone are responsible for preparing the track, ie supply of shale, preparation of surface, grading etc. Sandhu does not employ he graders etc that is down to Mick Horton. As I said in previous post Blayne was blaming the referee for starting the meeting and the decision was not in his hands or the Cradley team Manager. Personally I don't believe it!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) Yeah you dealing with the Horton brothers (?) here though - peas in a pod as they say. I disagree. I think Colin is borderline crook. I think Mick just misjudges a lot - but in his defence he does try bloody hard. Edited March 22, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Mr Watson - your silence is deafening - thought you had more about you than you are showing. More contempt for us the fans that keep you well fed ! Probably hoping everything will be forgotten in a weeks time ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) Have put a comment on the Elite League Coventry Bees 2014 forum page. Absolute shambles, promotion could not care less about the fans. Not their fault but the Midlands Motorway and trunk road network is in chaos, mostly around 10pm onwards, hope everyone got home ok Our lovely entrance to Leicester via Fosse Park Island also closed. Just what I needed when half a mile from home having to do a detour and not knowing where I was going. Eventually got home at 10.30pm and my husband didn't believe I'd only seen 6 heats of speedway. Yeah you dealing with the Horton brothers (?) here though - peas in a pod as they say. When was the last time Colin and Mick been seen together - coincidence or spooky ! That's rather unfair. Mick seems to get a lot of blame for things when it was actually Colin's fault. I don't think they've even been in contact with each other for several years. markyb...... Mr Watson - your silence is deafening - thought you had more about you than you are showing.More contempt for us the fans that keep you well fed ! There have been apologies on the Bees Facebook page but obviously that's not much good for those not on there. Speedybee..... ...... but just who was that announcer, Gordon Camwell, who mumbled his way through an awful night's non-presentation, including getting riders' names wrong and long silences. The good news is David Hammond is back as from Sunday. Edited March 22, 2014 by Gemini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilWatson Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Mick and I know that the events of Friday evening were unacceptable and we (and everyone at the Club) are devastated by the way the meeting turned out. At the moment we are working hard on the staging of this evening's ERC, before we sit down to try and right the wrongs of Friday. A Club statement, which will also give details of the re-admission arrangements, will follow in due course. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunty Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Good luck in staging tonights meeting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Why has it taken 2 days to release such a simple statement. Hope you do a better job tonight with the Sky cameras in town. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Can't win with some people. How many promoters come on a forum and interact with the fans? You can probably count them with the fingers on one hand and most don't bother. Perhaps it was best to wait until tempers had calmed down a little before releasing a statement, also there was the little matter of a Peterborough match at Leicester to attend to the day after. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTM Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Although some fans won,t( or don,t want to ) accept comments from the Bees promoters reference Friday night the Referee has complete control over the meeting from start to finish. If he doesn,t like any one particular thing if you as a promoter/ team manager/ or in my case trackman(during a meeting at Oxford) don,t rectify it he has carte blanche to refuse the meeting starting at all. IMO I think the fans are to hard on Mick Horton and Blayne as far as the lights and other problems with the Stadium because the Stadium owner has an onsite permanent electrician who is responsible for repairing /replacing lights etc who (although different people have changed througout the years ) has been there ever since I first got on the trackstaff in 1985 .This situation also existed at both Peterborough and Oxford when I was trackman at both operated under the Colin/Mick Horton promotions . Most promoters operate under the renting of premises from another existing organisation who,as far as I can see, are basically not providing adequate stadiums to race in . Hopefully things will improve all round for promoter and fans alike as I appreciate you ,the fans, work hard for your money and obviously like a reward for paying it over the counter and from what I read on here at least Mick and Neil to come on to answer problems whereas a lot of other promoters don,t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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