PolskiZuzel Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Russian Motocycle Federation: http://mfr.ru/news/vnimanie-rukovoditelyam-spidveynykh-klubov/ has just introduced the rules , which says that every Russian speedway rider who obtained home Federation consent to race outside the country, has a duty to represent the country under the threat of immediate loss of license to compete in foreign leagues ! Financing riders in the world cup, their fees for an international license , insurance outside Russia , is from now on the responsibility of the riders home clubs. The fifth point of the said rules obliges all riders with permission to race outside of Russia, to represent the country in the World and European championships . In case of refusal , the riders will be immediately deprived of permission to ride for foreign clubs and will not receive such a permit for the following year. So it comes out that the Russian speedway authorities suddenly introduced slavery . In orders that the presidents of the clubs and the riders did not have much time to think, the rules are entered with the date of March 15 , as the final date to apply for permission to race abroad. This applies to all Russians riders , even those who have previously been issued with such approval . source: sportowefakty.pl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 So it comes out that the Russian speedway authorities suddenly introduced slavery . It's taken a while but they've finally caught up with Polish clubs then... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 It's taken a while but they've finally caught up with Polish clubs then... Was just thinking exactly the same. Its funny reading the Poles getting upset about the authorities clamping down on riders. Wonder where this leaves Emil? Sat at home I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Was just thinking exactly the same. Its funny reading the Poles getting upset about the authorities clamping down on riders. Wonder where this leaves Emil? Sat at home I guess. Polish license I expect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted March 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 > ... Its funny reading the Poles getting upset about the authorities clamping down on riders. Don't tell me, you're happy. Are you ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dekker Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Don't tell me, you're happy. Are you ? Absolutely Fabulous oldpal, funny your not laughing now old Polski is being dictated too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Don't tell me, you're happy. Are you ? Don't tell me you're upset? Are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted March 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Don't tell me you're upset? Are you? Far from it. What is good for goose is also good for gander. Wait when BEL clubs will want to have any Russian in their line up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Far from it. What is good for goose is also good for gander. Wait when BEL clubs will want to have any Russian in their line up. We don't need to wait, we are fully aware of this 'slavery' issue you have brought up. As it originated in Poland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Wait when BEL clubs will want to have any Russian in their line up. I think British teams are well used to riders disappearing off to other competitions, but I don't think there was much sympathy from Poland. Perhaps Polish teams should ride midweek when World and European Championships aren't staged? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Russian Motocycle Federation: http://mfr.ru/news/vnimanie-rukovoditelyam-spidveynykh-klubov/ has just introduced the rules , which says that every Russian speedway rider who obtained home Federation consent to race outside the country, has a duty to represent the country under the threat of immediate loss of license to compete in foreign leagues ! Financing riders in the world cup, their fees for an international license , insurance outside Russia , is from now on the responsibility of the riders home clubs. The fifth point of the said rules obliges all riders with permission to race outside of Russia, to represent the country in the World and European championships . In case of refusal , the riders will be immediately deprived of permission to ride for foreign clubs and will not receive such a permit for the following year. So it comes out that the Russian speedway authorities suddenly introduced slavery . In orders that the presidents of the clubs and the riders did not have much time to think, the rules are entered with the date of March 15 , as the final date to apply for permission to race abroad. This applies to all Russians riders , even those who have previously been issued with such approval . source: sportowefakty.pl Welcome to Russia! Part of the national psyche I am afraid. Interesting stuff though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted March 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) I think British teams are well used to riders disappearing off to other competitions, but I don't think there was much sympathy from Poland. Perhaps Polish teams should ride midweek when World and European Championships aren't staged? I think you are all missing the point, and the point is that any Russian rider riding in foreign leagues CANNOT refuse to represent his country when called up to do so. If he does then has to pay the consequences of his international licence being withdrawn by the Federation. Edited March 14, 2014 by PolskiZuzel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 I think you are all missing the point, and the point is that any Russian rider riding in foreign leagues CANNOT refuse to represent its country when called up to do so. If he's riding on a Russian licence. What if he rides on a Polish licence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 I think you are all missing the point, and the point is that any Russian rider riding in foreign leagues CANNOT refuse to represent his country when called up to do so. If he does then has to pay the consequences of his international licence being withdrawn by the Federation. I could be wrong but I'm sure that technically anyone riding on a British license agrees to the same with Team GB. I'd be amazed if other countries don't have the same terms too. Anyway. we don't have any Russians in the British league, so really not too worried. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedaler Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 I could be wrong but I'm sure that technically anyone riding on a British license agrees to the same with Team GB. Except if your name is Craig Cook and you make out that you can't afford to appear for Team GB in the GB v Australia test series...or your name is Lewis Bridger when you cry off because after laying idle for 5 months, your bikes are still in bits all over the garage floor. The point I think PZ is making is this, and it follows on from the SWC qualifier in Czestochowa last year. When the Swedes, Poles, Czechs etc select their teams, the governing bodies PAY for the riders to attend. They cover their expenses, costs etc etc. Last year, Emil, the Lagutas etc were not going to be paid any money by the Russian authorities to ride in the SWC...so they didn't accept their invitations, and some young Russian juniors were conscripted in instead. This year if Emil or the Lagutas refuse to ride for nothing, and pay their own way on behalf of their country, they will be refused a license to ride outside communist USSR (oops) Russia. Looking at what the Russian authorities have done, it's a step up from any draconian measures anyone else has made of their riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted March 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 .... the governing bodies PAY for the riders to attend. They cover their expenses, costs etc etc. Last year, Emil, the Lagutas etc were not going to be paid any money by the Russian authorities to ride in the SWC...so they didn't accept their invitations, and some young Russian juniors were conscripted in instead. That's exactly my point. In order to represent Russian Federation their riders should have Federation support, i.e. Federation's bikes and people servicing them, all costs of transporting bike,replacing silencers (because in Russia they use old type of silencers), etc. Last year Russian Federation expected top Russians to use their own private equipment that they use in the Polish League, so- in my opinion - they rightly said - no way, and what happened next we all know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 That's exactly my point. In order to represent Russian Federation their riders should have Federation support, i.e. Federation's bikes and people servicing them, all costs of transporting bike,replacing silencers (because in Russia they use old type of silencers), etc. Last year Russian Federation expected top Russians to use their own private equipment that they use in the Polish League, so- in my opinion - they rightly said - no way, and what happened next we all know. What a load of rubbish-I shouldn`t think any federation supplies bikes for the riders to use in the SWC-some monetary help yes but that's about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Except if your name is Craig Cook and you make out that you can't afford to appear for Team GB in the GB v Australia test series...or your name is Lewis Bridger when you cry off because after laying idle for 5 months, your bikes are still in bits all over the garage floor. When the Swedes, Poles, Czechs etc select their teams, the governing bodies PAY for the riders to attend. They cover their expenses, costs etc etc. Last year, Emil, the Lagutas etc were not going to be paid any money by the Russian authorities to ride in the SWC...so they didn't accept their invitations, and some young Russian juniors were conscripted in instead. This year if Emil or the Lagutas refuse to ride for nothing, and pay their own way on behalf of their country, they will be refused a license to ride outside communist USSR (oops) Russia. Looking at what the Russian authorities have done, it's a step up from any draconian measures anyone else has made of their riders. Can you please list, what does SVEMO actually pay for the riders that they call for national duty? What does PZM pay? With sportowefakty.pl making most things public anyway you can probably dig this up for us. I can see some point in all this from a federation point of view. IF the federation HAS NO MONEY, and still want to stay active and ride the "Emil" wave, they need to stay global, So they just announce that the clubs will pay for everything. Most riders pay for the international license themselves anyway, and with that comes an international insurance. That can be upgraded if felt necessary. Only problem here is the starting permit for foreign leagues, and if you've been given a Polish license thats not a problem anyway, since PZM will hand it out for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Except if your name is Craig Cook and you make out that you can't afford to appear for Team GB in the GB v Australia test series...or your name is Lewis Bridger when you cry off because after laying idle for 5 months, your bikes are still in bits all over the garage floor. The point I think PZ is making is this, and it follows on from the SWC qualifier in Czestochowa last year. When the Swedes, Poles, Czechs etc select their teams, the governing bodies PAY for the riders to attend. They cover their expenses, costs etc etc. Last year, Emil, the Lagutas etc were not going to be paid any money by the Russian authorities to ride in the SWC...so they didn't accept their invitations, and some young Russian juniors were conscripted in instead. This year if Emil or the Lagutas refuse to ride for nothing, and pay their own way on behalf of their country, they will be refused a license to ride outside communist USSR (oops) Russia. Looking at what the Russian authorities have done, it's a step up from any draconian measures anyone else has made of their riders. As I said, "technically". I cant think of a time it has been used recently. Which GB test match is it Lewis Bridger missed? As I explained to you a few weeks ago, he missed a challenge meeting, a charity event. NOT a GB Test match. And that is in pretty much every countries license agrement, technically, if you ignore your governing body they can ban you. About 3 or 4 years ago Thomas H Jonasson defied SVEMO and rather than riding in a GP qualifier he rode in a league meeting. Result? He got a ban. Nobody suggested THJ was a slave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 16, 2014 Report Share Posted March 16, 2014 Last year Russian Federation expected top Russians to use their own private equipment that they use in the Polish League, so- in my opinion - they rightly said - no way, and what happened next we all know. Bottom line, is that if a rider doesn't want to represent their country, they shouldn't have to. A rider should be free to choose where and for whom they want to ride, unless they've previously contracted to do so (and been paid). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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