Pirate Nick Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Right.........so about King's Lynn v Zielona Gora then There's a 20 min highlight package of the meeting posted on ZG's YouTube channel - Cheers for the link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Right.........so about King's Lynn v Zielona Gora then There's a 20 min highlight package of the meeting posted on ZG's YouTube channel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w1ikUpQVS0 Thanks for the link. Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted March 21, 2014 Report Share Posted March 21, 2014 Many thanks Speedball, it is a shame that the odd meeting in this country is not made available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) I'm not sure whether this is the right place to post this or not, but as this was the first meeting that ran with the new race format it's somewhat relevant... There have been a few comments suggesting that Kamil Adamczewski was the Zielona Gora man of the match whilst Patryk Dudek was something of a disappointment. Having watched the races on youtube I would admit that Patryk didn't look impressive but..... Of the riders they both raced, they both lost to Bjerre and both beat Schlein, whilst Dudek beat Porsing and Adamczewski lost to him. The only other riders that Adamczewski raced were essentially the 2 reserves, Rose and Kerr. He beat one 4 times and the other 2 times. (He also raced Iversen in heat 15 but Iversen's bike failed whilst a long way ahead of him so I am discounting that one!) The other riders that Dudek raced were Woffinden (1 win, 1 loss) and Iversen (who he lost to). If you look at the opposition riders that they are winning and losing against it paints a very different picture to the points they scored, but it's easy just to look at points or wins... Whilst I am using Patryk as the counter to Kamil's scoring, I could possibly have used PePe's even more effectively. He didn't seem to rate a mention as the star of the meeting for ZG from anyone on here despite the fact that he only lost twice to Bjerre but beat Woffinden and Iversen twice and Schlein and Porsing once each.... With the new race format, I can see a few riders in the heat leader positions coming in for some potentially unwarranted flak because of their lack of race wins...and the averages are going to look very, very odd as the season goes on! Edited March 22, 2014 by HenryW 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 I'm not sure whether this is the right place to post this or not, but as this was the first meeting that ran with the new race format it's somewhat relevant...There have been a few comments suggesting that Kamil Adamczewski was the Zielona Gora man of the match whilst Patryk Dudek was something of a disappointment.Having watched the races on youtube I would admit that Patryk didn't look impressive but.....Of the riders they both raced, they both lost to Bjerre and both beat Schlein, whilst Dudek beat Porsing and Adamczewski lost to him.The only other riders that Adamczewski raced were essentially the 2 reserves, Rose and Kerr. He beat one 4 times and the other 2 times. (He also raced Iversen in heat 15 but Iversen's bike failed whilst a long way ahead of him so I am discounting that one!)The other riders that Dudek raced were Woffinden (1 win, 1 loss) and Iversen (who he lost to).If you look at the opposition riders that they are winning and losing against it paints a very different picture to the points they scored, but it's easy just to look at points or wins...Whilst I am using Patryk as the counter to Kamil's scoring, I could possibly have used PePe's even more effectively. He didn't seem to rate a mention as the star of the meeting for ZG from anyone on here despite the fact that he only lost twice to Bjerre but beat Woffinden and Iversen twice and Schlein and Porsing once each....With the new race format, I can see a few riders in the heat leader positions coming in for some potentially unwarranted flak because of their lack of race wins...and the averages are going to look very, very odd as the season goes on! The new format looks great initially as it will keep meetings more competitive. But thinking about it a little by what you just said, come August the league could become very very mismatched. There will be 2nd string riders with higher averages than the genuine heatleaders. That means they'll be moved into one of the top 3 team spots and potentially a World class rider will be placed against reserves at 2 or 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 The new format looks great initially as it will keep meetings more competitive. But thinking about it a little by what you just said, come August the league could become very very mismatched. There will be 2nd string riders with higher averages than the genuine heatleaders. That means they'll be moved into one of the top 3 team spots and potentially a World class rider will be placed against reserves at 2 or 4. Why/how 'reserves at 2 or 4?' Do you mean 'reserve standard riders' at 2 or 4?? If so, then that's one of the drawbacks of going with a strong top end!! Otherwise, reserves will stay at 6 and 7 for the season!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Why/how 'reserves at 2 or 4?' Do you mean 'reserve standard riders' at 2 or 4?? If so, then that's one of the drawbacks of going with a strong top end!! Otherwise, reserves will stay at 6 and 7 for the season!!! I said genuine heatleaders could move to 2 or 4 and be up against reserves because the 2nd strings will obtain a higher average due to the easier rides they'll be facing during meetings 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 The new format looks great initially as it will keep meetings more competitive. But thinking about it a little by what you just said, come August the league could become very very mismatched. There will be 2nd string riders with higher averages than the genuine heatleaders. That means they'll be moved into one of the top 3 team spots and potentially a World class rider will be placed against reserves at 2 or 4. This is what we first discussed back in November when the protected heat format was first announced. It was always going to produce that situation. Because the heat leaders have a harder program then that of the 2nd strings their CMA was always going to suffer. When I have brought up I have been ridiculed making out I was creating a problem that doesn't exist. You mention the period of August when the quality of riders will move about in different team positions as their new CMA required, but just imagine next year when Promoter have to assemble a team using these new acquired Averages. We will have heat leaders on ridiculously low scores and 2nd string riders with fictitious high scores and cant find a ride... Talk about a fiasco..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 (edited) My thoughts and post were similar to yours GWR but cannot waste the time going back through the new format thread to find it. I have no idea how they will sort out the team limit and teams next year as there will be a number of unrealistic averages. What will be interesting will be seeing the likes of Chris Harris, Ben Barker and other 3rd placed heat leaders racing as second strings against the reserves. Will the second strings at the end of the season be wanting to reduce their averages. Edited March 22, 2014 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeff Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 The rider average conversion factors between the leagues might need revisiting too.Jo Jacobs could have a high average for Mildenhall, his next highest league average could be for Wolves and his lowest average for Peterborough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinht Posted March 22, 2014 Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Aren't Bomber and Barker second strings anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted March 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2014 Aren't Bomber and Barker second strings anyway? No,they are both 2nd in there averages for their respective teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Right.........so about King's Lynn v Zielona Gora then There's a 20 min highlight package of the meeting posted on ZG's YouTube channel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w1ikUpQVS0 Thanks for link. Great coverage, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Right.........so about King's Lynn v Zielona Gora then There's a 20 min highlight package of the meeting posted on ZG's YouTube channel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-w1ikUpQVS0 Some cracking races in that & so nice to listen to the bikes going round with no commentary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted March 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Why/how 'reserves at 2 or 4?' Do you mean 'reserve standard riders' at 2 or 4?? If so, then that's one of the drawbacks of going with a strong top end!! Otherwise, reserves will stay at 6 and 7 for the season!!! Don't know if I have missed the point here,but reserves do stay as reserves for the season don't they Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Don't know if I have missed the point here,but reserves do stay as reserves for the season don't they The point being made is, the reserves, in order to ensure there aren't big mismatches are to be protected from racing against the top 2 riders on each team. With the way the format is, the teams 2nd strings, i.e. riders at 2 and 4 could well move up to heat leader positions and 2nd and 3rd heat leaders could move to 2 and 4.. thus then meaning they are up against the NL reserves and the mismatch that the format was designed to avoid will take place. I just hope there aren't any teams dumb enough to drop heat leaders half way/three quarters through the season who are averaging a lot less than their average (due to the format) and effectively giving certain other clubs an opportunity to sign them in place of their own second strings who have increased their averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 Surely the BSPA will have the averages in hand, they aren't stupid!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonian Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 Right.........so about King's Lynn v Zielona Gora then There's a 20 min highlight package of the meeting posted on ZG's YouTube channel - I went to this meeting on Wednesday and it's great to watch it back again, enjoyed watching it as much as I did on Wednesday night. Highlight without doubt was seeing Lewis Kerr win his race, what a feeling it must of been for the young lad. Exactly the reasons for the draft, for reserve rides to hopefully score points above 'better' riders in the main body of the team, thus giving them confidence and becoming better speedway riders. Certainly hope this draft system works out as I think it really can be a great idea for British speedway development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 my pictures from the meeting here >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/the_womble/sets/72157642819182693/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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