TMW Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 So you would be happy if Kyle Newman signed for Wednesday PL club (ok I don't actually think there are any but still...) or a Danish team so had to quit Poole then signed for another EL club replacing their weaker reserve? The fact that Newman is on the draft list at all a complete mystery 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waco Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Agree with TMW Newman is far to experienced to be a draft rider Same goes for Simon Lambert both could be classed as old hands and not what the draft system is all about in my opinion... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 The fact that Newman is on the draft list at all a complete mystery Not really, he obviously met the criteria needed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Not really, he obviously met the criteria needed.. Which was what? Poole wanted him? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Which was what? Poole wanted him? That's Starmans Q to enter the debate... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Which was what? Poole wanted him? Poole already had him!! Same as Lakeside and Ellis; Kings Lynn and Kerr!! Stop winding folk up now Skidder Why would facts wind folk up??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YerRopes Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Poole already had him!! Same as Lakeside and Ellis; Kings Lynn and Kerr!! Why would facts wind folk up??? Serious question Skidder,, Do you think Josh Bates will ride for Poole this season (in rather more than a guest facility) I assume not, judging by the denials of some including 'Outraged of Sherborne'.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Have a look at Bates' NL average and compare it to those of some of the other second picks. As has been correctly pointed out the lad needs to sit out this EL season otherwise the whole draft system is undermined. The draft idea is quite a simple one which can be kept airtight and manipulation free easily if everyone plays fair and the SCB do their job correctly. I can see why some are thinking by putting Bates back on the draft it is open for abuse. I think its a shame the very ruling that is designed to help the future generation is expected to now boycott his progress for a year. If it is done in the spirit of fairness i could understand, but if some now want to tell me all in Speedway is fair then go ahead! Good god. Was he drafted by Swindon? Yes. Did he go and sign for another club KNOWING there was a clash with his commitment to Swindon? Yes Is he now riding for Swindon? No That means he has reneged. 100%. It's not even up for debate. IT IS, that's why so many are taking you to task on it. To you it shouldn't be up for debate, however others see it differently from you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherborne Green Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Serious question Skidder,, Do you think Josh Bates will ride for Poole this season (in rather more than a guest facility) I assume not, judging by the denials of some including 'Outraged of Sherborne'.. Sorry but Steve does not live in this part of the county now!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 I can see why some are thinking by putting Bates back on the draft it is open for abuse. I think its a shame the very ruling that is designed to help the future generation is expected to now boycott his progress for a year. If it is done in the spirit of fairness i could understand, but if some now want to tell me all in Speedway is fair then go ahead! So Ashley Morris takes up basket weaving tomorrow, the classes are on a Monday. He quits his draft position at Wolves. Wolves have to sign one of the riders left so go with Ben Hopwood. Coventry think, "hang on, we can sign him in for James Sarjeant". You are ok with that? You think it's fair? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 IT IS, that's why so many are taking you to task on it. To you it shouldn't be up for debate, however others see it differently from you. No it isn't. What is up for debate is what should happen. What isn't up for debate is the attempt to deny he reneged on his deal with Swindon. There are different schools of thought on whether he should be allowed back in the draft or not, that's fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) So Ashley Morris takes up basket weaving tomorrow, the classes are on a Monday. He quits his draft position at Wolves. Wolves have to sign one of the riders left so go with Ben Hopwood. Coventry think, "hang on, we can sign him in for James Sarjeant". You are ok with that? You think it's fair? You failed in that same rationale before. One rider is protecting his PL (most important) place first and foremost. Was he picked by Swindon with them KNOWING he rode for a Thursday track??? If you are going strictly by the rules of the Draft then i would imagine IF Morris wanted away from his parent club (your crazy analogy,so i will go with it) Seeing as Cov had last 2nd pick i would imagine that the other 8 clubs would be offered to select Morris if he was available with Bees being able to steal if non of the others wanted him. By you're own analogy that would be fair wouldn't it?! No it isn't. What is up for debate is what should happen. What isn't up for debate is the attempt to deny he reneged on his deal with Swindon. There are different schools of thought on whether he should be allowed back in the draft or not, that's fair enough. Still dont think renege is the right word. Edited March 12, 2014 by stevebrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Still dont think renege is the right word. replace reneged with forfeited then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Serious question Skidder,, Do you think Josh Bates will ride for Poole this season (in rather more than a guest facility) I assume not, judging by the denials of some including 'Outraged of Sherborne'.. Honestly don't know!! What I do know is that Smart and Newman will be given every chance to prove themselves, and if they don't perform then I expect Matt/Middlo to look at alternatives!! What I also know is that Bates is one of at least 3 British riders of similar standard/experience who have made contact with the club to 'offer their services', subject to fixture clashes - as I am sure is the case with most if not all the other EL clubs!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsloes 1928 nearly Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Has anyone seen (on a club website for example..?) a simple (well simple-ish!) to understand explanation of the whole Fast Track scheme, covering all the angles/nuances? As they say at all the good management training sessions, don't want to re-invent the wheel!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 (edited) It should be pretty straightforward for the BSPA to compile a list of riders to guest and /or replace injured / dropped riders from the draft. This would be everyone interested minus the twenty-one who have been picked already. Then using NL averages from last year it can be determined who is allowed to replace who throughout the season. Nice and simple. Edited March 12, 2014 by Bagpuss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 It should be pretty straightforward for the BSPA to compile a list of riders to guest and /or replace injured / dropped riders from the draft. This would be everyone interested minus the twenty-one who have been picked already. Then using NL averages from last year it can be determined who is allowed to replace who throughout the season. Nice and simple. Exactly, what it shouldn't be is riders phoning around to 'offer their services' to particular clubs. Word would soon spread that a better way to do things is to not take part in the draft and 'offer your services' after it. If your services weren't available at the start or you renege/forfeit/decline to ride for the club who draft you then quite simply your services are not required for that season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 So Ashley Morris takes up basket weaving tomorrow, the classes are on a Monday. He quits his draft position at Wolves. Wolves have to sign one of the riders left so go with Ben Hopwood. Coventry think, "hang on, we can sign him in for James Sarjeant". You are ok with that? You think it's fair? Basket weaving classes are popular in the NL. That could be another loophole looming. Are they allowed to be absent for any reason as in the NL and then get in a stronger guest for srronger teams? I do feel for Smart and to a degree Bates S all they probably want to do is ride and are now caught up in this Xfire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Honestly don't know!! What I do know is that Smart and Newman will be given every chance to prove themselves, and if they don't perform then I expect Matt/Middlo to look at alternatives!! What I also know is that Bates is one of at least 3 British riders of similar standard/experience who have made contact with the club to 'offer their services', subject to fixture clashes - as I am sure is the case with most if not all the other EL clubs!! They can only be replaced by other riders from the Draft List. If he has been put back on the list, then fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 12, 2014 Report Share Posted March 12, 2014 Exactly, what it shouldn't be is riders phoning around to 'offer their services' to particular clubs. Who has phoned who then seeing as you seem to have inside information? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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