Fourentee Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 These 'rules' that you talk about, do they include the one that each EL club was supposed to 'draft' one rider from the 'A' grade list and one from the 'B' grade list!!?? I wonder if that was adhered to - and if not, by Whom? As I understood it, reversing the clubs' order of selection for the second round was expected to produce one A and one B listed rider at each track. Wolves (to whom you obviously refer) were anticipating Max Clegg as their second selection but Leicester presumably saw something in him to justify an early pick. Good for them in backing their assessment and I hope this promising young talent both enjoys his time there and is successful. That left Joe Jacobs available and Wolves adjusted accordingly. Would you have a link to this rule, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 As a Liecester fan I think Both of the reserves that where chosen could really do well this year. It is just a gut feeling but I think both of the lads have a good protential do do big thinks in the next few years. I hope so and I just hope that all the lads that are riding at reserve this year learn a graet deal from the senior team members. For the sake of the Brithish speedway team we need to do more with these lads to make them stars of the world stage in the coming years. Lets hope it works out for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 As I understood it, reversing the clubs' order of selection for the second round was expected to produce one A and one B listed rider at each track. Wolves (to whom you obviously refer) were anticipating Max Clegg as their second selection but Leicester presumably saw something in him to justify an early pick. Good for them in backing their assessment and I hope this promising young talent both enjoys his time there and is successful. That left Joe Jacobs available and Wolves adjusted accordingly. Would you have a link to this rule, please? Sorry no link, but then I don't think it was ever a 'rule', just announced in a press release or in the SS that was the (fair?!) way they decided to do the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john birch Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Lewis Kerr based on last season. Jason Garrity if he stays fit and Adam Ellis. But I think all three teams have decent B graders too. Whereas Leicester, Birmingham and Swindon look weak and in the case of the first two not too hot at the top end either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 You haven't got that quite right Had Enough. If a player refuses to sign for the team that drafted him he is UNABLE to play for another team that year and must re-enter the draft the following year. The only way he can join another team is if the rights to his signature are traded by the team he was meant to join, which has happened on a few occasions. So in the case of Bates, by quitting on Swindon he wouldn't be able to join another team that year, he'd have to re-enter the draft. Or Poole would have to pay Swindon for his services. But Bates didn't 'refuse to sign for the team' - he signed for Swindon and was then released, with agreement, in order to ride for PL Sheffield!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProudtobeaBrummie Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Brummies and leicester reserves have got 3 heats against each other in the selco Classic will be interesting to see how there fair against each other.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 But Bates didn't 'refuse to sign for the team' - he signed for Swindon and was then released, with agreement, in order to ride for PL Sheffield!! Aha that's how they will get round it !!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Sorry no link, but then I don't think it was ever a 'rule', just announced in a press release or in the SS that was the (fair?!) way they decided to do the draft. OK, thanks for an honest reply. You describe it as "fair?!"; is there a problem for you there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) OK, thanks for an honest reply. You describe it as "fair?!"; is there a problem for you there? Not really, although I don't think it worked out fairly for all the clubs or all the riders!! Water under the bridge now, but as far as developing riders is concerned, I'm in the camp that believes only one NL/PL Brit reserve per team should have been drafted! As the main reason was to cut EL costs, then we'll wait and see. Edited March 10, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 But Bates didn't 'refuse to sign for the team' - he signed for Swindon and was then released, with agreement, in order to ride for PL Sheffield!! So he reneged on his deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 So he reneged on his deal. Not really. He negotiated a deal that would benefit his career aspirations. Unfortunately Sheffield's future was very uncertain at the time of draft picks. Unforeseen and unfortunate clash of race nights - thought the idea was to give the youngsters support. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Not really. He negotiated a deal that would benefit his career aspirations. Unfortunately Sheffield's future was very uncertain at the time of draft picks. Unforeseen and unfortunate clash of race nights - thought the idea was to give the youngsters support. Still surprised that Swindon didn't see it coming as they would've picked someone else higher in the 2nd draft surely?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Still surprised that Swindon didn't see it coming as they would've picked someone else higher in the 2nd draft surely?. Can't see how they could have predicted the situation. Draft picks were months before Sheffield saviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 Not really. He negotiated a deal that would benefit his career aspirations. Unfortunately Sheffield's future was very uncertain at the time of draft picks. Unforeseen and unfortunate clash of race nights - thought the idea was to give the youngsters support. So he reneged on the deal. It's very simple. You sign a contract that states you are willing to ride for the EL team that drafts you. He did that. Months after that he then goes and signs for Sheffield, KNOWING he is already committed to a team on Thursday nights. He has reneged on his deal, no ifs, buts, whys etc. Its pretty simple. The whole system would very quickly fall apart if all the riders did that. I'm quite sure other riders will have been choosing the PL teams to negotiate with whose fixtures don't take place on the same night as a team they have already signed with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) But he didn't 'renege' on anything!! The opportunity to ride at his local PL Thursday track came up and he informed and discussed the opportunity with Swindon, who correctly allowed him to gain more experience and to ride for a track close to his home by signing for Sheffield. He 'signed a contract that states you are willing to ride for the EL team that drafts you' - subject to discussions on any PL/NL fixture clashes. He did that. Edited March 11, 2014 by Skidder1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 But he didn't 'renege' on anything!! The opportunity to ride at his local PL Thursday track came up and he informed and discussed the opportunity with Swindon, who correctly allowed him to gain more experience and to ride for a track close to his home by signing for Sheffield. He 'signed a contract that states you are willing to ride for the EL team that drafts you' - subject to discussions on any PL/NL fixture clashes. He did that. Is he riding for the team that drafted him? No he isn't. End of discussion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 But he didn't 'renege' on anything!! The opportunity to ride at his local PL Thursday track came up and he informed and discussed the opportunity with Swindon, who correctly allowed him to gain more experience and to ride for a track close to his home by signing for Sheffield. He 'signed a contract that states you are willing to ride for the EL team that drafts you' - subject to discussions on any PL/NL fixture clashes. He did that. So you would be happy if Kyle Newman signed for Wednesday PL club (ok I don't actually think there are any but still...) or a Danish team so had to quit Poole then signed for another EL club replacing their weaker reserve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 But he didn't 'renege' on anything!! The opportunity to ride at his local PL Thursday track came up and he informed and discussed the opportunity with Swindon, who correctly allowed him to gain more experience and to ride for a track close to his home by signing for Sheffield. He 'signed a contract that states you are willing to ride for the EL team that drafts you' - subject to discussions on any PL/NL fixture clashes. He did that. "Skidder1 this decision has to be the correct one surely for the lad,i was disappointed i was looking forward to Josh riding for the Robins.But common sense has prevailed Rosco acted great in my opinion and as you said surely we need to help and support young lads like him good luck to Josh this year with the TIGERS. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted March 11, 2014 Report Share Posted March 11, 2014 So you would be happy if Kyle Newman signed for Wednesday PL club (ok I don't actually think there are any but still...) or a Danish team so had to quit Poole then signed for another EL club replacing their weaker reserve? Exactly! If the draft system is to be given a chance then these loopholes (genuine in this case I believe but who knows what the future holds) need to be closed up from the very start. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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