Who's Got The Best Reserve?

[BWitcher]

But Poole would be well within their rights regardless as bates was further down the pick than Smart anyway. It's not as though we are trying to get a rider higher up the draft which would seem unfair.

Wrong, he was taken earlier in the draft.

 

The 'rankings' are only a guide. The draft order is the important factor.

[Reliant Robin]

His position in the draft and whether its Poole who may be looking to use him are both irrelevant IMO.

 

The fact that he opted out of his draft pick should mean he is not on the available list this year. To allow that would undermine the whole pick system.

 

As has been pointed out had Bates not been drafted by Swindon in the original pick others couldve chosen him. A choice that has been denied them in this scenario.

 

Also IF it is true Bates has been phoning offering his services (to date there is no confirnation) then this is very wrong. A draft is (or should be) a controlled process and as such not a negotiation between just 2 parties.

 

As and when any team needs to switch a rider theyshould be requesting from the organiser a list of who they can pick from not suggesting "we are signing Mr X"

I agree - I had thought it fairly obvious that by leaving Swindon to sign for Sheffield Josh Bates had opted out of the 'Fast Track Scheme' for the 2014 Season with the view that racing for Sheffield may be better for his career than being part of the scheme,

[Gavan]

But Poole would be well within their rights regardless as bates was further down the pick than Smart anyway. It's not as though we are trying to get a rider higher up the draft which would seem unfair.

totally wrong as usual. rankings dont come into it its draft order. Bates was picked by Swindon thus taking the opportunity away from the other teams to choose him. Therefore he should be offered to every team that had the choice after swindon of which i believe Poole had last choice.

If no team wants him then Poole would have every reason and right to sign him.

If Poole were the next team in the draft after Swindon them that would also mean they could have him. But the facts are if Poole sign him ahead of any other elite club who might want him then yet again it is wrong.

Bates has opted out of the draft system as he wanted to ride premier. he should go to the back of the queue if he all of a sudden wants to become part of it again.

Its not anti poole as Poole have last pick so if Bates isnt wanted by anyone else there is no problem with Poole signing him

[pete cc]

i only asked who was going to be the best reserve. Poole bashing isn't a sport ....yet.

[SCB]

Sorry but to keep the debate fair i just checked the list.Smart was no 13 and Bates was no 15 so the list ranked Smart as the better rider so if Poole did want to and were allowed to do a swap according to the list they would be getting a lower rated rider.

So he did/does. Ooops. As I said later, he has quit the draft anyway and should have nothing to do with it now.

[Kieranb91]

where do you get your info from on Josh Bates riding for Poole or offering his services to Poole.

[Steve Shovlar]

where do you get your info from on Josh Bates riding for Poole or offering his services to Poole.

It's a figment of their imagination. As there's nothing to complain about concerning Poole, certain people on here make up a scenario then actually start to believe its true. a week latter they start calling Poole cheats and scumbags.

 

All very sad and childish.

[Crazy robin]

But Poole would be well within their rights regardless as bates was further down the pick than Smart anyway. It's not as though we are trying to get a rider higher up the draft which would seem unfair.

Make your mind up as one minute you're denying it then in this post you clearly know Poole & Bates have been in contact.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

It's a figment of their imagination. As there's nothing to complain about concerning Poole, certain people on here make up a scenario then actually start to believe its true. a week latter they start calling Poole cheats and scumbags.

 

All very sad and childish.

Totally agree -there is nothing to complain about.

 

Thats why the vast majority have posted with regard to the hypothetical scenario and not just as if its fact re Bates/Poole.

 

The one fact is Bates withdrew from his draft position.

 

Most of the debate has been the Ifs and maybes that could/would follow should ANY team need to switch and whether Bates could still be on the list.

[Gavan]

It's a figment of their imagination. As there's nothing to complain about concerning Poole, tcertain people on here make up a scenario hen actually start to believe its true. a week latter they start calling Poole cheats and scumbags.

 

All very sad and childish.

like poole doing eveything above board then. surely thats made up and you actually believe it

and correct there is nothing to complain about...........................................yet.

its a hypothetical situation and it wouldnt matter if it was another club its not a dig at poole yet for some reason the usual suspects think it is.

 

a rider who was picked second in the draft should be offered to the next in line club.

Poole have last pick so if he doesnt want to ride for anyone else then Poole could have him.

If the last pick was Lakeside or Leicester the same rule should apply

 

so dont got on your high horse complaining its a dig at Poole

[B.V 72]

The rule states that if a rider is injured or not available you can use a rider off the list on a lower average.So if a team needs to replace an out of form rider on a perminant basis i would think that they could if they swap them for a lower averaged rider(rules need to be made clearer on this subject). The promoters said that they would be adding more names to the list so it would be nice if they published the new list then we would know the riders that are available and if Bates is back on the list.

[SteveLyric2]

Many people seem to be forgetting - or choosing to ignore - that when the draft was first made/announced, riders agreed to go where drafted, subject to further discussion with their EL club on their fixture availability - on the basis that the majority of the draft riders would also have NL and /or PL fixtures to comply with.

 

Re. the Bates decision, it was known by some that the new Sheffield promotion had some family ties to Josh Bates, and as he lives very close to Owlerton, the decision to allow him to sign for Sheffield over Swindon was seen as a sensible one - no doubt to help a young British rider to progress and improve!!

 

Nowhere has it been said (except by some ill-informed on here) that he has 'given up all rights to an EL place' - merely that he chose one Thursday PL track over a Thursday EL track - and I think you'll find that all EL clubs, if not some so-called fans, are perfectly ok with that!!

Edited March 6, 2014 by Skidder1

[Steve Shovlar]

Make your mind up as one minute you're denying it then in this post you clearly know Poole & Bates have been in contact.

Total paranoia.

[BWitcher]

It's a figment of their imagination. As there's nothing to complain about concerning Poole, certain people on here make up a scenario then actually start to believe its true. a week latter they start calling Poole cheats and scumbags.

 

All very sad and childish.

 

Incorrect as always.

 

The thread wouldn't be continuing if it weren't for the sad and childish attitude emenating from the south coast AGAIN.

 

There is no made up scenario, Bates has decided to sign with another club AFTER he had agreed to sign with Swindon in full knowledge there would be a clash of dates. He has therefore broken the terms of the draft riders agreement and should be removed from having that opportunity.

 

Poole have only come into it because they have made noises about replacing Smart, fuelled by certain Poole fans hinting at it.

 

The team doesn't matter, whether its Poole, Wolverhampton, Lakeside.. the principle remains, Bates shouldn't be allowed to sign for them and IF they made the stupid decision that he could, he must be offered to the other clubs above them in the draft first.

 

Simples.

Many people seem to be forgetting - or choosing to ignore - that when the draft was first made/announced, riders agreed to go where drafted, subject to further discussion with their EL club on their fixture availability - on the basis that the majority of the draft riders would also have NL and /or PL fixtures to comply with.

 

Re. the Bates decision, it was known by some that the new Sheffield promotion had some family ties to Josh Bates, and as he lives very close to Owlerton, the decision to allow him to sign for Sheffield over Swindon was seen as a sensible one - no doubt to help a young British rider to progress and improve!!

 

Nowhere has it been said (except by some ill-informed on here) that he has 'given up all rights to an EL place' - merely that he chose one Thursday PL track over a Thursday EL track - and I think you'll find that all EL clubs, if not some so-called fans, are perfectly ok with that!!

 

Of course they are.

 

They're always happy for rules to be twisted, bent and indeed broken as its 'in the interest of the sport'.

 

The 'interest of the sport' causes one thing only, more resentment and disillusionment for fans who simply want a sport where the rules are applied equally across the board.

Edited March 6, 2014 by BWitcher

[Steve Shovlar]

Incorrect as always.

 

The thread wouldn't be continuing if it weren't for the sad and childish attitude emenating from the south coast AGAIN.

 

There is no made up scenario, Bates has decided to sign with another club AFTER he had agreed to sign with Swindon in full knowledge there would be a clash of dates. He has therefore broken the terms of the draft riders agreement and should be removed from having that opportunity.

 

Poole have only come into it because they have made noises about replacing Smart, fuelled by certain Poole fans hinting at it.

 

 

Simples.

Show us where Poole have said they are considering changing Smart. I certainly haven't read anything to say smart is on his way. In fact there's a story on him in today's Echo.

 

Only people bleating about Bates is the usual anti Poole brigade who seem to have got into their thick skulls that bates is on his way to Poole. If they don't want to get a response from Poole fans I would suggest they make up the same story but chose another club to play "villains".

Edited March 6, 2014 by Steve Shovlar

[BWitcher]

Show us where Poole have said they are considering changing Smart. I certainly haven't read anything to say smart is on his way. In fact there's a story on him in today's Echo.

 

Only people bleating about Bates is the usual anti Poole brigade who seem to have got into their thick skulls that bates is on his way to Poole. If they don't want to get a response from Poole fans I would suggest they make up the same story but chose another club to play "villains".

 

Ford made noises about it when the draft was originally concluded.

 

You can substitute Poole for any club, the principle remains the same. The fact Poole are being dragged into it is that it is Poole fans who are jumping up and down saying it should be allowed... funny that.

[SteveLyric2]

These 'rules' that you talk about, do they include the one that each EL club was supposed to 'draft' one rider from the 'A' grade list and one from the 'B' grade list!!??

 

I wonder if that was adhered to - and if not, by Whom?

[Gavan]

BWitcher mate there is no point discussing it with certain individuals from the south coast. Most Poole fans are sensible to realise that this isnt against Poole at all. It could be any other club but yet again the usual wallies see it as a slur on their team.

 

The reason Poole were linked with Bates is quite straightforward. Matt Ford was making noises as soon as the draft was announced and so to were a number of Poole fans saying they reckoned Smart would be replaced. All of the other sides have their reserves in place and have heard nothing from any other club about changing their reserves.

[BWitcher]

These 'rules' that you talk about, do they include the one that each EL club was supposed to 'draft' one rider from the 'A' grade list and one from the 'B' grade list!!??

 

I wonder if that was adhered to - and if not, by Whom?

 

Not a clubs fault if somebody chose not to take an A grade rider.

[E I Addio]

These 'rules' that you talk about, do they include the one that each EL club was supposed to 'draft' one rider from the 'A' grade list and one from the 'B' grade list!!??

 

I wonder if that was adhered to - and if not, by Whom?

 

 

Putting the silliness to one side for a moment, doesn't a lot turn on whether Bates remains on the FTDR list which the BSPA are supposed to be updating every month.

 

If he has left Swindon, the club he was originally allocated to, then I find it difficult to see how he can remain on the list, and if he is off the list then clearly he won't be going anywhere. If he remains on the list then it seems that the whole system is open to abuse.

 

Its a bit premature IMO to start pointing the finger at Poole but IF he were to go there (which would need approval by the BSPA ) then the whole thing becomes untenable.

 

I stand to be corrected, but does anybody from Poole or otherwise see any reason for him to remain on the FTDR list ? If so , why ?