Who's Got The Best Reserve?

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

 

 

 

I agree with Bwitcher (had to lie down to type that!) it isnt far off the mark at all.

That is precisely what the PL should be doing for the NEXT generation of NL youngsters.

Anyway despite the EL getting lots of grief and deservedly so at times, at least they are the league that is looking towards the future.

Some will no doubt argue that it is `only a cost cutting exercise` so they dont care. At least me know that the PL lot care even less.

I think you can see that in principle I am not that far off from agreeing with you both but just making the point that it is perhaps not quite as black and white as you paint it. I did say 'a little off' not wide of the mark after all.

 

I agree that the draft is a good move (so long as its integrity is not tainted by manipulation) and that the PL should also be looking at similar on a formal basis for the next tranche of NL riders.

 

The PL has and does however provide opportunities for young Brits and is not the 'big bad monster' you make it out to be.

[DIAMONDS]

 

 

 

He tested alot of thing in the Nl which is what its about also but there is alot of talent in the Nl aswell.

 

I know there is a lot of talent in the NL

[stevebrum]

I think you can see that in principle I am not that far off from agreeing with you both but just making the point that it is perhaps not quite as black and white as you paint it. I did say 'a little off' not wide of the mark after all.

 

I agree that the draft is a good move (so long as its integrity is not tainted by manipulation) and that the PL should also be looking at similar on a formal basis for the next tranche of NL riders.

 

The PL has and does however provide opportunities for young Brits and is not the 'big bad monster' you make it out to be.

 

 

Yea true, not a million miles away from agreeing.

I don't paint the PL as the `big bad monster` tho. It wants to run things it own way and NOT for the future of the youngsters.

Of course it gives some young kids a break but if the EL is run bad then then the PL has its own `bad` motives and isn't the `be all` that some claim it to be.

[TMW]

 

I don't disagree but based on what you saw at PL level you can understand if the NL fans at KL were a tad disappointed at times.

 

 

Both points are fair comment. There were some strong riders at the top end of the NL last season which is what is going to make this EL season so fascinating. The draft riders are going to have a huge impact on how a club's season pans out and there's little to choose between many of them.

I dared to say that last year and I got called stupid Edited March 14, 2014 by TMW

[E I Addio]

 

 

 

I agree with Bwitcher (had to lie down to type that!) it isnt far off the mark at all.

That is precisely what the PL should be doing for the NEXT generation of NL youngsters.

Anyway despite the EL getting lots of grief and deservedly so at times, at least they are the league that is looking towards the future.

Some will no doubt argue that it is `only a cost cutting exercise` so they dont care. At least me know that the PL lot care even less.

 

 

As I understand it Steve the PL decision comes down to costs and rider availability. In the EL riders only have to travel as far North as Belle Vue. The PL's problem is that the majority of riders suitable for the draft are based towards the Southern half of the country and it was felt that with NL riders mostly having other jobs it would be too difficult to get NL riders of sufficient quality to enter the draft if they had to travel quite considerable distances to places ;like Edinburgh and Glasgow for every home match.

 

And before anyone jumps on me this was their reasoning (as I understand it) not mine. I don't know where the various riders are based so can't comment.

[21st century heathen]

I dared to say that last year and I got called stupid

 

Which part?

[stevebrum]

 

 

As I understand it Steve the PL decision comes down to costs and rider availability. In the EL riders only have to travel as far North as Belle Vue. The PL's problem is that the majority of riders suitable for the draft are based towards the Southern half of the country and it was felt that with NL riders mostly having other jobs it would be too difficult to get NL riders of sufficient quality to enter the draft if they had to travel quite considerable distances to places ;like Edinburgh and Glasgow for every home match.

 

And before anyone jumps on me this was their reasoning (as I understand it) not mine. I don't know where the various riders are based so can't comment.

 

 

Oh i don't doubt for one minute those aren't legit reasons, and very valid ones. There has to be a balance tho for young riders if they want to get into the sport to progress.

For me we have this in-ground culture of just taking part and not aiming for the top. Think it has been an issue for far to many years now.

[BWitcher]

You mis-understand what I'm saying though as I wouldn't stop watching my local team if I lived nearer a Premier Lge team if they were charging the same price as a Elite lge team 50 miles away.

 

You support your local club regardless of what league they are in or what they're charging.

They're not worried about people deserting them for EL clubs (at least they shouldn't be as you say, but anything is possible), they're worried that fans decide the product is over priced and simply stop going.. That is already happening.

[TMW]

 

Which part?

That the top end of the NL last year was stronger than the lower eend of the PL when someone asked about Kerr's odd performances in both leagues :-) Edited March 15, 2014 by TMW

[Najjer]

 

 

Yea true, not a million miles away from agreeing.

I don't paint the PL as the `big bad monster` tho. It wants to run things it own way and NOT for the future of the youngsters.

Of course it gives some young kids a break but if the EL is run bad then then the PL has its own `bad` motives and isn't the `be all` that some claim it to be.

 

It's probably a good time to tell you that in the PL this year there is AT LEAST 16 riders who competed in the NL last year - so don't go giving it the 'PL isn't run for the future of the youngster' nonsense.

[21st century heathen]

It's true to state some PL clubs do more for the NL riders than others and more than some give them credit for. However, there are some that show little or no interest in giving the young Brits a shot. It's also true to state that P'brgh are doing more than all of them and they only rejoined the league this season! This draft should have taken place in the PL but some clubs simply wouldn't have it.

[stevebrum]

 

It's probably a good time to tell you that in the PL this year there is AT LEAST 16 riders who competed in the NL last year - so don't go giving it the 'PL isn't run for the future of the youngster' nonsense.

 

 

It isn't me `giving it`. It was confirmed the PL aren't interested in setting up a fast track system like the EL have adopted.

If the PL could fill some of those 16 spaces with foreigners they would, wake up and smell the coffee.

[g13webb]

 

It's probably a good time to tell you that in the PL this year there is AT LEAST 16 riders who competed in the NL last year - so don't go giving it the 'PL isn't run for the future of the youngster' nonsense.

There are some PL clubs who do want to see the young Brits progress, but then again there a some that don't. The Reason our Speedway is in it's present state is because the BSPA want to do things to suit individual selves. I am in no doubt that had all the clubs worked to the same cause our sport would be on a far greater footing then at present. The Draft rider situation is a prime example...... There is no sense, rhyme or reason why the PL clubs are not included in the draft setup. Purely down to certain promoters who would rather pay for foreign alternatives.......

[stevebrum]

There are some PL clubs who do want to see the young Brits progress, but then again there a some that don't. There is no sense, rhyme or reason why the PL clubs are not included in the draft setup. Purely down to certain promoters who would rather pay for foreign alternatives.......

 

The PL clubs aren't included in the draft set up because they declined. Ridiculous when it was a perfect chance for ALL the leagues to work together for the future of the next generation.

Typical of clubs and leagues putting there own agendas first and foremost.

Just goes to show that the PL promotions are as guilty as the EL ones.

[Falcon Hammer]

I think the problem for the PL clubs using a draft system is the distance some NL riders would have to travel for home meetings. The EL distances are only from Belle Vue to Eastbourne

[CaptainAudi]

Berwick

7. Liam Carr (3.00) *

 

Edinburgh:

7. Steve Worrall (3.00) *

 

Ipswich:

6. Adam Ellis (4.14)

 

Newcastle:

5. Lewis Kerr (6.09)

7. Lewis Rose (3.00) *

 

Peterbrough:

5. Lewis Blackbird (4.81)

6. Joe Jacobs (3.44) *

7. Oliver Greenwood (3.00) *

 

Plymouth:

7. Ben Reade (3.00) *

 

Redcar:

7. Luke Crang (3.00) *

 

Rye House:

4. Steve Boxall (5.69)

 

Scunthorpe:

7. Matt Williamson (3.00) *

 

Sheffield:

7. Josh Bates (3.00) *

 

Somerset:

6. Charles Wright (4.30)

7. Paul Starke (3.52) *

 

Workington:

6. Ashley Morris (4.01)

 

 

These riders were all national league riders last year, and there is at least one in every PL club except Glasgow. You can't say the PL aren't doing their bit, there just isn't enough riders who would want to come up to Edinburgh or Glasgow every week. Those with a * are riding in the NL again this year, which shows there is a number of riders using the NL to PL stepping stone.

 

 

Edited to rectify mistake.

Edited March 19, 2014 by MonarchsMitchy

[stevebrum]

Berwick

7. Liam Carr (3.00) *

 

Edinburgh:

7. Steve Worrall (3.00) *

 

Ipswich:

6. Adam Ellis (4.14)

 

Newcastle:

5. Lewis Kerr (6.09)

7. Lewis Rose (3.00) *

 

Peterbrough:

5. Lewis Blackbird (4.81)

6. Joe Jacobs (3.44) *

7. Oliver Greenwood (3.00) *

 

Plymouth:

7. Ben Reade (3.00) *

 

Redcar:

7. Luke Crang (3.00) *

 

Rye House:

4. Steve Boxall (5.69)

 

Scunthorpe:

7. Matt Williamson (3.00) *

 

Sheffield:

7. Josh Bates (3.00) *

 

Somerset:

6. Charles Wright (4.30)

7. Paul Starke (3.52) *

 

Workington:

6. Ashley Morris (4.01)

 

 

These riders were all national league riders last year, and there is at least one in every PL club except Glasgow. You can't say the PL aren't doing their bit, there just isn't enough riders who would want to come up to Edinburgh or Glasgow every week. Those with a * are riding in the NL again this year, which shows there is a number of riders using the NL to PL stepping stone.

 

 

Edited to rectify mistake.

 

No one is saying it is an easy thing to put into place and obviously the PL have much more spread of teams.

Those riders you quoted i am sure are now ready for the PL anyway.

It would be great to have something in place that BOTH divisions have a structure that BOTH Divisions work towards, instead of doing things there own way all the time.