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Not understanding what the big fuss about bates is. Not alot better than smart yet people are talking about him as if its Garrity or Kerr

 

Is funny though how Poole always find a way to cheat

This isnt really about Bates or Poole or any individual/team.

 

It is the principle of what the procedure should be to ensure that the draft is fit for purpose.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but surely having a draft rider allocated to a club is for the duration of the season. A club, Poole or anybody else, cant just dispose of that rider for another if and when they think fit. The purpose of the Draft system is to propel these young riders up the ladder, and contain the Promoting costs. A rider needs to fulfil his obligation, and likewise the club has to fulfil theirs as well.

 

The only situation that would allow a replacement would be if the rider got seriously injured, or he was completely out of his depth, either way the club would then go back to the draft committee and be allocated a replacement rider.

 

Failing that, the draft system is dead already....

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Firstly he hasn't encountered anything.

 

The situation was entirely of his own making. He had a choice to make, he's made it.

 

Why are you talking about hanging? He's going to ride for Sheffield which will be good for him in the long run.

 

There were other riders who had the foresight to decline a place in the draft precisely for the kind of reason Bates has withdrawn from his place at Swindon. As far as I am aware they won't be on the list of replacements, so why should Bates be?

Faced an unexpected situation = encountered. If Sheffield's future wasn't so uncertain at the time of the draft picks this situation may have been avoided. Which riders declined a place that were in exactly the same position?

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Not understanding what the big fuss about bates is. Not alot better than smart yet people are talking about him as if its Garrity or Kerr

 

Is funny though how Poole always find a way to cheat

it is a big deal as the whole draft system means nowt if Bates joins someone else .

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If it happens the draft system will be in shreads already, how hard is it to put a rule in place in black and white so everyone knows where they stand.?

Should be easy in this case ...if you do not take part in the draft or you do not take the place you are given you sit out the 2014 EL season .

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Not understanding what the big fuss about bates is. Not alot better than smart yet people are talking about him as if its Garrity or Kerr

 

Is funny though how Poole always find a way to cheat

I used that analogy as Kerr and Greenwood were at opposite ends of the rankings the principle is the problem not the actual rider concerned

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Which achieves nothing surely. All it means is poole (or other teams) can see which, if any, of their draft riders are underperforming and swap bates in if it seems he will be an improvement.

To my mind, whoever had first pick after swindon should have first option on bates, and if a side does swap him in swindon should have first option on the discarded rider.

Exactly. Thats all we want. It's not relevant who the team or rider is. We just want fairness.

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Faced an unexpected situation = encountered. If Sheffield's future wasn't so uncertain at the time of the draft picks this situation may have been avoided. Which riders declined a place that were in exactly the same position?

 

The ones who declined a place in the draft. There were a number of them.

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Which achieves nothing surely. All it means is poole (or other teams) can see which, if any, of their draft riders are underperforming and swap bates in if it seems he will be an improvement.

To my mind, whoever had first pick after swindon should have first option on bates, and if a side does swap him in swindon should have first option on the discarded rider.

 

 

Then at this late stage you have the problem that whatever club it is will already have got someone else, possibly spent some money on him and he probably would have spent money upgrading his bikes not to mention kevlars etc,. Are they supposed to say to such a rider (who the system is supposed to be encouraging) "sorry mate we are going to use Bates instead "? Then do we have a game of musical chairs while everyone swaps riders around to accommodate bates.

 

 

As has been said, the only fair way is to take Bates off the draft. Its very unfortunate for him and not entirely his fault but if he goes back in the draft then it is likely to be at the expense of someone else.

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The ones who declined a place in the draft. There were a number of them.

Seven I believe;

 

Robert Lambert

Nathan Greaves

Kyle Hughes

Jake Knight

Charles Wright

Liam Carr

Robert Branford

 

EDIT looks like Greaves wasn't on the original list so apologies to him. Seem to remember there were seven who declined though, maybe one of the Greenwoods said no?

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Seven I believe;

 

Robert Lambert

Nathan Greaves

Kyle Hughes

Jake Knight

Charles Wright

Liam Carr

Robert Branford

 

EDIT looks like Greaves wasn't on the original list so apologies to him. Seem to remember there were seven who declined though, maybe one of the Greenwoods said no?

Oliver Greenwood was definitely on the initial 30-rider draft.

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...and there I was thinking that this new 'young British reserves' ruling was for the benefit of those 'young Brits', that had the ability and willingness to progress and improve???!! But no, its apparantly about 'being fair' or 'unfair' to clubs??! :D

 

To be quite fair about it, if the PL clubs had played ball - we wouldn't be having these debates!! :wink::nono:

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...and there I was thinking that this new 'young British reserves' ruling was for the benefit of those 'young Brits', that had the ability and willingness to progress and improve???!! But no, its apparantly about 'being fair' or 'unfair' to clubs??! :D

 

To be quite fair about it, if the PL clubs had played ball - we wouldn't be having these debates!! :wink::nono:

Spot on the likes of Bates, Greenwood,Ritchings, should be having extended runs at PL level should not be anywhere near the superbly named EL.! Edited by sidney
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...and there I was thinking that this new 'young British reserves' ruling was for the benefit of those 'young Brits', that had the ability and willingness to progress and improve???!! But no, its apparantly about 'being fair' or 'unfair' to clubs??! :D

 

To be quite fair about it, if the PL clubs had played ball - we wouldn't be having these debates!! :wink::nono:

 

Let's see how long it is before a young lad who has got a draft spot is dropped by his team then if you want it to be fair, as teams who are already talking to riders shouldn't be doing that anyway.

 

Whatever thing's are put in place will always get stretched by some teams & that is why the sport is shooting itself in the foot really.

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Seven I believe;

Robert Lambert

Nathan Greaves

Kyle Hughes

Jake Knight

Charles Wright

Liam Carr

Robert Branford

EDIT looks like Greaves wasn't on the original list so apologies to him. Seem to remember there were seven who declined though, maybe one of the Greenwoods said no?

Completely different situation. Sheffield would have been far too weak 😉 Edited by Hodgy
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...and there I was thinking that this new 'young British reserves' ruling was for the benefit of those 'young Brits', that had the ability and willingness to progress and improve???!! But no, its apparantly about 'being fair' or 'unfair' to clubs??! :D

 

To be quite fair about it, if the PL clubs had played ball - we wouldn't be having these debates!! :wink::nono:

 

No, it's about having a draft that's worthy of the name. The whole point of this debate is that if Bates is simply allowed to sign for A.N Other club then why bother having the draft in the first place?

 

Otherwise, just do away with it and have a rule that says that any NL rider who hasn't ridden in PL or achieved a PL average of x or above have to make up the EL reserve berths. But that isn't the system the BSPA decided upon. They decided on a draft, and if they're going to do that then at least do it properly.

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