dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Not understanding what the big fuss about bates is. Not alot better than smart yet people are talking about him as if its Garrity or Kerr Is funny though how Poole always find a way to cheat This isnt really about Bates or Poole or any individual/team. It is the principle of what the procedure should be to ensure that the draft is fit for purpose. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Exactly, it could be rumoured that Lynn want to sign somebody to replace Rose for instance and it would be exactly the same, its about the integrity of the draft and the competition. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Forgive me if I'm wrong, but surely having a draft rider allocated to a club is for the duration of the season. A club, Poole or anybody else, cant just dispose of that rider for another if and when they think fit. The purpose of the Draft system is to propel these young riders up the ladder, and contain the Promoting costs. A rider needs to fulfil his obligation, and likewise the club has to fulfil theirs as well. The only situation that would allow a replacement would be if the rider got seriously injured, or he was completely out of his depth, either way the club would then go back to the draft committee and be allocated a replacement rider. Failing that, the draft system is dead already.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Firstly he hasn't encountered anything. The situation was entirely of his own making. He had a choice to make, he's made it. Why are you talking about hanging? He's going to ride for Sheffield which will be good for him in the long run. There were other riders who had the foresight to decline a place in the draft precisely for the kind of reason Bates has withdrawn from his place at Swindon. As far as I am aware they won't be on the list of replacements, so why should Bates be? Faced an unexpected situation = encountered. If Sheffield's future wasn't so uncertain at the time of the draft picks this situation may have been avoided. Which riders declined a place that were in exactly the same position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Not understanding what the big fuss about bates is. Not alot better than smart yet people are talking about him as if its Garrity or Kerr Is funny though how Poole always find a way to cheat it is a big deal as the whole draft system means nowt if Bates joins someone else . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 it is a big deal as the whole draft system means nowt if Bates joins someone else .If it happens the draft system will be in shreads already, how hard is it to put a rule in place in black and white so everyone knows where they stand.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) If it happens the draft system will be in shreads already, how hard is it to put a rule in place in black and white so everyone knows where they stand.? Should be easy in this case ...if you do not take part in the draft or you do not take the place you are given you sit out the 2014 EL season . Edited March 13, 2014 by orion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Not understanding what the big fuss about bates is. Not alot better than smart yet people are talking about him as if its Garrity or Kerr Is funny though how Poole always find a way to cheat I used that analogy as Kerr and Greenwood were at opposite ends of the rankings the principle is the problem not the actual rider concerned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Which achieves nothing surely. All it means is poole (or other teams) can see which, if any, of their draft riders are underperforming and swap bates in if it seems he will be an improvement. To my mind, whoever had first pick after swindon should have first option on bates, and if a side does swap him in swindon should have first option on the discarded rider. Exactly. Thats all we want. It's not relevant who the team or rider is. We just want fairness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Faced an unexpected situation = encountered. If Sheffield's future wasn't so uncertain at the time of the draft picks this situation may have been avoided. Which riders declined a place that were in exactly the same position? The ones who declined a place in the draft. There were a number of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Which achieves nothing surely. All it means is poole (or other teams) can see which, if any, of their draft riders are underperforming and swap bates in if it seems he will be an improvement. To my mind, whoever had first pick after swindon should have first option on bates, and if a side does swap him in swindon should have first option on the discarded rider. Then at this late stage you have the problem that whatever club it is will already have got someone else, possibly spent some money on him and he probably would have spent money upgrading his bikes not to mention kevlars etc,. Are they supposed to say to such a rider (who the system is supposed to be encouraging) "sorry mate we are going to use Bates instead "? Then do we have a game of musical chairs while everyone swaps riders around to accommodate bates. As has been said, the only fair way is to take Bates off the draft. Its very unfortunate for him and not entirely his fault but if he goes back in the draft then it is likely to be at the expense of someone else. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) The ones who declined a place in the draft. There were a number of them. Seven I believe; Robert Lambert Nathan Greaves Kyle Hughes Jake Knight Charles Wright Liam Carr Robert Branford EDIT looks like Greaves wasn't on the original list so apologies to him. Seem to remember there were seven who declined though, maybe one of the Greenwoods said no? Edited March 13, 2014 by Bagpuss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Seven I believe; Robert Lambert Nathan Greaves Kyle Hughes Jake Knight Charles Wright Liam Carr Robert Branford EDIT looks like Greaves wasn't on the original list so apologies to him. Seem to remember there were seven who declined though, maybe one of the Greenwoods said no? Oliver Greenwood was definitely on the initial 30-rider draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Seven I believe; Robert Lambert Nathan Greaves Kyle Hughes Jake Knight Charles Wright Liam Carr Robert Branford But they never came to the party. Slightly different to Bates who RSVP'd then double booked himself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 ...and there I was thinking that this new 'young British reserves' ruling was for the benefit of those 'young Brits', that had the ability and willingness to progress and improve???!! But no, its apparantly about 'being fair' or 'unfair' to clubs??! To be quite fair about it, if the PL clubs had played ball - we wouldn't be having these debates!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) ...and there I was thinking that this new 'young British reserves' ruling was for the benefit of those 'young Brits', that had the ability and willingness to progress and improve???!! But no, its apparantly about 'being fair' or 'unfair' to clubs??! To be quite fair about it, if the PL clubs had played ball - we wouldn't be having these debates!! Spot on the likes of Bates, Greenwood,Ritchings, should be having extended runs at PL level should not be anywhere near the superbly named EL.! Edited March 13, 2014 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 ...and there I was thinking that this new 'young British reserves' ruling was for the benefit of those 'young Brits', that had the ability and willingness to progress and improve???!! But no, its apparantly about 'being fair' or 'unfair' to clubs??! To be quite fair about it, if the PL clubs had played ball - we wouldn't be having these debates!! Let's see how long it is before a young lad who has got a draft spot is dropped by his team then if you want it to be fair, as teams who are already talking to riders shouldn't be doing that anyway. Whatever thing's are put in place will always get stretched by some teams & that is why the sport is shooting itself in the foot really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Spot on the likes of Bates, Greenwood,Ritchings, should be having extended runs at PL level should not be anywhere near the superbly named EL.! Agreed, they should be having extended runs in the even more superbly named Premier League! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hodgy Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) Seven I believe; Robert Lambert Nathan Greaves Kyle Hughes Jake Knight Charles Wright Liam Carr Robert Branford EDIT looks like Greaves wasn't on the original list so apologies to him. Seem to remember there were seven who declined though, maybe one of the Greenwoods said no? Completely different situation. Sheffield would have been far too weak 😉 Edited March 13, 2014 by Hodgy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kester Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 ...and there I was thinking that this new 'young British reserves' ruling was for the benefit of those 'young Brits', that had the ability and willingness to progress and improve???!! But no, its apparantly about 'being fair' or 'unfair' to clubs??! To be quite fair about it, if the PL clubs had played ball - we wouldn't be having these debates!! No, it's about having a draft that's worthy of the name. The whole point of this debate is that if Bates is simply allowed to sign for A.N Other club then why bother having the draft in the first place? Otherwise, just do away with it and have a rule that says that any NL rider who hasn't ridden in PL or achieved a PL average of x or above have to make up the EL reserve berths. But that isn't the system the BSPA decided upon. They decided on a draft, and if they're going to do that then at least do it properly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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