iris123 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Really? Feel free to provide us the links to 'BSI' doing the subject to death. You just have to do a search of Phil Risings posts.I certainly ain't going to.And i doubt Phil will deny mentioning the fact on more than a couple of ocassions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 You just have to do a search of Phil Risings posts.I certainly ain't going to.And i doubt Phil will deny mentioning the fact on more than a couple of ocassions Again, I asked for a link to BSI 'doing the subject to death'. Not for posts on the BSF! If that's all you have to back up your claims it really does show the paucity of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Sayfutdinov has not pulled out because of solidarity with Onesport, surely that is obvious in the statements he makes publically. He has been screwed over by Bydgoszcz and Czestochowa and doesn't feel he can prepare for a 12 meeting series and take on Woofy and Ward. Plus the fact if Onesport are this all omnipotent organisation, the speedway riders best friend, why did Woffinden say no to it? Surely it's the next best thing to being World Champion, look at the publicity Vaculik has had from it ?! He's still unknown in Slovakia, such is the Onesport publicity machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 So, we're hearing lots from pro one-sport lobbyists attacking BSI over prize money etc... yet One Sport is no different, but they pay a hell of a lot less?I'm not sure that it is fair to say that they pay "a hell of a lot less". The total prize fund for an SEC round is fairly similar to an SGP round, but the SEC pays points money rather than position money, which is important when you consider that the standard is far lower so the top riders in the SEC get an easier return than they do in the SGP. Sayfutdinov has not pulled out because of solidarity with Onesport, surely that is obvious in the statements he makes publically. He has been screwed over by Bydgoszcz and Czestochowa and doesn't feel he can prepare for a 12 meeting series and take on Woofy and Ward. Plus the fact if Onesport are this all omnipotent organisation, the speedway riders best friend, why did Woffinden say no to it? Surely it's the next best thing to being World Champion, look at the publicity Vaculik has had from it ?! He's still unknown in Slovakia, such is the Onesport publicity machine. You might want to look deeper into where Emil is now due to be getting his serious regular money from and consider how that financial source is related to the SEC series.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 I think you misunderstood me HW. I meant they pay a hell of a lot less to the FIM for the rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 I think you misunderstood me HW. I meant they pay a hell of a lot less to the FIM for the rights.Sorry...I have to admit that I am rubbish when it comes to reading through a mass of posts in a long thread...I tend to skim read and miss the point occasionally. My spelling is generally still better than SCB's if that saves me at all 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Again, I asked for a link to BSI 'doing the subject to death'. Not for posts on the BSF! If that's all you have to back up your claims it really does show the paucity of them. You were talking about One Sports media mouthpiece,i was talking about one of BSI's.It makes it hard if the discussion has been going on for over a year and someone comes in after about 10 months.I am not going to seek out all the stuff from months ago.I expect people to search that out for themselves.But of course Phil can come here and tell you he has mentioned it on a number of occasions to make it all easier As it is i am not for or against either competition or company.I think they have both made improvements to the sport and bring something to the table both for fans and riders,although One Sport are just starting out.It is noticeable that one or two sponsors that have dealt with BSI are somewhat critical.Meridian Lifts and now Nice.Quite possibly given time sponsors etc will come out and be critical of One Sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 I'm not sure that it is fair to say that they pay "a hell of a lot less". The total prize fund for an SEC round is fairly similar to an SGP round, but the SEC pays points money rather than position money, which is important when you consider that the standard is far lower so the top riders in the SEC get an easier return than they do in the SGP. You might want to look deeper into where Emil is now due to be getting his serious regular money from and consider how that financial source is related to the SEC series.... Still don't believe that had anything to do with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Sayfutdinov has not pulled out because of solidarity with Onesport, surely that is obvious in the statements he makes publically. He has been screwed over by Bydgoszcz and Czestochowa and doesn't feel he can prepare for a 12 meeting series and take on Woofy and Ward. Plus the fact if Onesport are this all omnipotent organisation, the speedway riders best friend, why did Woffinden say no to it? Surely it's the next best thing to being World Champion, look at the publicity Vaculik has had from it ?! He's still unknown in Slovakia, such is the Onesport publicity machine. Emil is riding for Torun. Gollob is riding for Torun. Emil and Gollob have quit the GPs. The owner at Torun owns the rights to the SEC. What a spooky co-incidence eh?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Still don't believe that had anything to do with it Then you are very naive and somewhat blind. Are you seriously suggesting that it's taken till now for Emil to decide he hasn't got the finances to compete? Plans are put into place a long time before now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Emil is riding for Torun. Gollob is riding for Torun. Emil and Gollob have quit the GPs. The owner at Torun owns the rights to the SEC. What a spooky co-incidence eh?! And Torun are staging a GP, so why hasn't he pulled that as well? I am sure if BSI and Onesport hatedxeachbither as much as you speculate they do, they would have gone their separate ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 And Torun are staging a GP, so why hasn't he pulled that as well? Possibly under contract? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 (edited) Then you are very naive and somewhat blind. Are you seriously suggesting that it's taken till now for Emil to decide he hasn't got the finances to compete? Plans are put into place a long time before now. I don't know what his circumstances actually are, maybe he was hoping for a sponsor who didn't cone through, maybe his deal with Torun was under threat if he participated on all those Saturdays before a GP, but as he pulled out late, rather than when Gollob did, I don't think it was because he was siding with the Europeans. You think different, good for you Possibly under contract? I would think if BSI thought Onesport were trying to get riders not to participate in the GP, they would want to take the GP away. If Onesport thought BSI were looking to screw their series, they wouldn't want to stage one. Mutual interest not to stage the GP. Apparently a load of other tracks want to stage a GP in Poland. Edited March 8, 2014 by jimmy jimmy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 If Onesport thought BSI were looking to screw their series, they wouldn't want to stage one. Like I said, maybe they were locked into an existing contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Like I said, maybe they were locked into an existing contract. Torun have publicly stated(it was on Sportowefakty however ! ) that when the existing contract ends they will be thinking twice about negotiating a renewal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 And Torun are staging a GP, so why hasn't he pulled that as well? I am sure if BSI and Onesport hatedxeachbither as much as you speculate they do, they would have gone their separate ways. What on earth is there to speculate? It's happening right in front of your very eyes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PHILIPRISING Posted March 8, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 THIS is the last year of Torun's current contract with BSI... I am hearing that Ashley Holloway, who lives in Bydgoszcz and is Emil's prime engine tuner, even offered to act as driver and unpaid mechanic this year to help reduce the rider's expenses but the offer was declined. Plenty of people in and around Emil telling him that he has made a bad decision but sadly those pulling his strings weren't listening. Of course Emil should be his own man but he is still very young and under the influence of one or two who are steering him in the wrong direction. Few are blessed with his natural talent, which deserves to be rewarded with a World title, and there is still plenty of time but he needs to start controlling his own destiny rather than allowing others to do it for him. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 What on earth is there to speculate? It's happening right in front of your very eyes.. If you say so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) THIS is the last year of Torun's current contract with BSI... I am hearing that Ashley Holloway, who lives in Bydgoszcz and is Emil's prime engine tuner, even offered to act as driver and unpaid mechanic this year to help reduce the rider's expenses but the offer was declined. Plenty of people in and around Emil telling him that he has made a bad decision but sadly those pulling his strings weren't listening. Of course Emil should be his own man but he is still very young and under the influence of one or two who are steering him in the wrong direction. Few are blessed with his natural talent, which deserves to be rewarded with a World title, and there is still plenty of time but he needs to start controlling his own destiny rather than allowing others to do it for him. What nonsense, Emil's manager has his riders interests at heart and by that, It means looking out for Emil financially in the long-term. Most speedway riders don't prioritize the world title over £££. Edited March 9, 2014 by Hougaard Racing Fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 If you say so I don't. Reality does. What nonsense, Emil's manager has his riders interests at heart and by that, It means looking out for Emil financially in the long-term. Most speedway riders don't prioritize the world title over £££. One of your weaker efforts. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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