pandorum Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 He has gone from being 'fighting fit' to 'withdrawn through injury' on the SGP website so something is not quite right. It certainly is a massive blow for the series but whoever wins is a worthy world champ and I am a massive Emil fan. It's pretty obvious it's about money and the way the sport is run. There are big problems with the Russian side as we have seen thier entire team withdraw from the SWC through 'injuries' and now this. But the replacements for two top riders are very 2nd eleven and the SGP has been degraded badly and something has to be done to stop this or it's in danger of becoming an ERC. Emil not having bottle is a bit of a laugh as he is one of the bravest riders in the sport but sadly off track nonsense has spoilt 2014 as a spectacle. Hopefully Wuffy will wipe out all comers and retain the title but whatever is causing the problems needs to be addressed as we want to see the worlds best compete in SGP not the likes of Bomber and Batch who with respect will never qualify for that accord. Another sad day for a dying sport 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Riders have never ever had rich financial pickings from prize money when winning World Titles, even back in the day of the big one off Finals. However, you would never ever have seen Mauger, Briggs, Fundin, Olsen, Nielsen, Gundersen and the other greats of the sport forsake the World Championship for what is essentially nothing more than a highly paid individual meeting. Sayfutdinov and Gollob have no excuses as they can ride in both. No it doesn't prove anything and your comments show nothing but utter contempt for the sport of speedway and its history. The promoters of Torun are nothing short of a disgrace and should have been banned from their sport for their actions last year. Refusing to race in a play.off final is quite simply indefensible. Now you are telling us that the owners of Torun do not wish their riders to compete in World Championships? As I said, disgrace to the sport. Have to agree Witcher personnel gain never really entered as a ex) Briggos and Ivan,s minds they just wanted to become world champion.I think they're motto was win it then maybe the financially rewards will follow but essentially being crowned world champion to them was everything. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Of course he is being used as a pawn, but not by OneSport. Are you all ignorant of the fact that Emil and Tomasz are both Torun's rider and their owner will not stomach another posssible injury to his riders in a GP event. Chris Holder and Darcy Ward are also his riders. Can you imagine trepidation in his mind when watching GP race with the following line-up: Holder, Sayfutdinov, Ward, and Gollob (all Torun's riders)? Last year was bad enough when Gollob got injured in Sweden and because of that Torun's owner pulled out his team from the final round of the play-offs. Of course Emil will be financially compensated, so is Gollob. It also proves that for some there are more important things than SGP. You don't honestly believe that.....do you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Of course whoever wins the SGP will be a worthy champ, but the fact will always remain that one of the title contenders didn't compete for whatever reason. Whatever the exact reason its such a shame and his absence will be felt. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunty Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 I agree and he certainly appears to be 'all about the money'. The money reportedly owed to him in Poland was, if I remember correctly, a huge amount - indicating he is very well paid and there was a restructuring agreement to ensure he got his dollar. In many sports the rewards on the route to becoming world champion are poor but the title is what people want - clearly that doesn't apply to Mr S. £200,000 is a figure ive read! He got paid half and then the rest was suposed to be paid in this coming year. He shouldnt be that bad off if he is earning that sort of money in Poland and now hes with Tourn surely they offer big money too. I think the manager has his hands tied and knows that the money from Russia sponsers is so vast and with there not being a GP or the SGP being televised in Russia he making sure that hes fit for SEC and no running the risk of injury or the huge expense from the GP series! All in all, he should look after number one! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) All in all, he should look after number one! Exactly after all that's what the rest do. It's a bit silly comparing Briggo and Mauger with todays riders for this scenario as the sport is a Universe away from those days in terms of world championships and to be fair nobody knows what those riders would have done if faced with huge costs and minimal rewards. These guys do this for a living first and foremost and if SGP does not pay then Emil won't be the last to be injured at the start of a season then make a miraculous recovery to ride in SEC and Polish league. It seems riders are mercenaries when they look after themselves but when stupid rules and ideas overwhelm them with added costs and endless hassle it's little wonder they get p#ssed off. Edited March 4, 2014 by pandorum 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 £200,000 is a figure ive read! He got paid half and then the rest was suposed to be paid in this coming year. He shouldnt be that bad off if he is earning that sort of money in Poland and now hes with Tourn surely they offer big money too. I think the manager has his hands tied and knows that the money from Russia sponsers is so vast and with there not being a GP or the SGP being televised in Russia he making sure that hes fit for SEC and no running the risk of injury or the huge expense from the GP series! All in all, he should look after number one! That's fine. But he won't be remembered for winning a mickey mouse event, nor will he enter the history books on how much he's earnt! His choice of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Exactly after all that's what the rest do. It's a bit silly comparing Briggo and Mauger with todays riders for this scenario as the sport is a Universe away from those days in terms of world championships and to be fair nobody knows what those riders would have done if faced with huge costs and minimal rewards. These guys do this for a living first and foremost and if SGP does not pay then Emil won't be the last to be injured at the start of a season then make a miraculous recovery to ride in SEC and Polish league. It seems riders are mercenaries when they look after themselves but when stupid rules and ideas overwhelm them with added costs and endless hassle it's little wonder they get p#ssed off. Yes we do, as they WERE faced with huge costs and minimal rewards. The rewards came from being World Champion and the ensuing sponsorship afterwards. Seems we're being led to believe some of these top guys are paupers.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Yes we do, as they WERE faced with huge costs and minimal rewards. The rewards came from being World Champion and the ensuing sponsorship afterwards. Seems we're being led to believe some of these top guys are paupers.. Supplemented of course by the "bread and butter" league income, and topped up by bookings in open meetings.As you say, Riders have never been well paid for world championship meetings or representing their country. It is a real shame for all speedway fans that emil won't be competing. And a very strange day as I agree with everything shovlar has posted on this thread!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Supplemented of course by the "bread and butter" league income, and topped up by bookings in open meetings. As you say, Riders have never been well paid for world championship meetings or representing their country. It is a real shame for all speedway fans that emil won't be competing. And a very strange day as I agree with everything shovlar has posted on this thread!!! Even more strangely Sidney, myself and Oldace are in agreement!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 No it doesn't prove anything and your comments show nothing but utter contempt for the sport of speedway and its history. I can only regret that you see things differently, but facts are facts and i'm not arguing with them. I am not as much involved emotionally with the things discussed here, as some of you. I am not saying that one thing is better than other, i'm just reporting them to you, so I would be grateful if you, and others, could refrain from personal attacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Regardless of Emils ability, there should be absolutely NO wildcard for him in 2015. If he decides he wants to participate next season, he HAS to do the qualifiers this season. We don't want him thinking he can thumb his nose at the World Championship and then just walk back in when he feels like it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 The promoters of Torun are nothing short of a disgrace and should have been banned from their sport for their actions last year. Refusing to race in a play.off final is quite simply indefensible. Again, I understand your frustration and anger, but what's going on in today's speedway shows that money talks, as it always did. Whether we like it or not. EOT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Even more strangely Sidney, myself and Oldace are in agreement!!God that is unreal, anyway i am disappointed like you and Oldace really feel the series has took a knock.Met Emil once when at Malc Holloway,s pub a nice bloke i have really enjoyed him ride but i don't know the whole story i just presumed Emil,,Darcy,Tai, could be around for a while and give us a vintage GP era. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Regardless of Emils ability, there should be absolutely NO wildcard for him in 2015. If he decides he wants to participate next season, he HAS to do the qualifiers this season. We don't want him thinking he can thumb his nose at the World Championship and then just walk back in when he feels like it. Depends how you look at it . Emil and Gollob gone this this who next year ? How long before the others go for the money etc and walk .. this runs a lot deeper than Emil not being in this years Gp's this could be the beginning of the end of them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 FURROW Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Depends how you look at it . Emil and Gollob gone this this who next year ? How long before the others go for the money etc and walk .. this runs a lot deeper than Emil not being in this years Gp's this could be the beginning of the end of themAt long last someone talking sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Depends how you look at it . Emil and Gollob gone this this who next year ? How long before the others go for the money etc and walk .. this runs a lot deeper than Emil not being in this years Gp's this could be the beginning of the end of them This is Mr SEC/One Sport/Torun flexing his muscles in a bid to take over the GPs. He already thinks he's running Polish Speedway. Give it a few years when he's bored and not got his own way and the World Championship is still running the GP will thrive again., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Depends how you look at it . Emil and Gollob gone this this who next year ? How long before the others go for the money etc and walk .. this runs a lot deeper than Emil not being in this years Gp's this could be the beginning of the end of them Good point. We have seen half a dozen rival organisations in boxing all with their own version of the world championship at the same time all with different champions, we have seen cricketers go for the money outside the established international sport, we now have moto-cross run by an organisation to rival the ACU and on a smaller scale we have even seen a pirate league in speedway in the past. When you have rival organisations like we have now in speedway you can't rule anything in and you can't rule anything out. The FIM and their TV broadcasters need to get their act together to get it sorted . Its only a trickle now but if next year riders like Lindgren and Bjerre for example were to follow Emil and Gollob the SGP would start to look a bit uncompetitive. The lower order of the SGP line-up doesn't look all that great even now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Saddened to see Jepsen Jensen as qualified subsititue when riders like Kasprazak, Smolinski, Batchelor, Bjerre and Lindgren are in the GP's. The SGP series only has it self to blame, Last year's line up was so much more stronger than this year's but most importantly, Much more exciting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krompa Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Good point. We have seen half a dozen rival organisations in boxing all with their own version of the world championship at the same time all with different champions, we have seen cricketers go for the money outside the established international sport, we now have moto-cross run by an organisation to rival the ACU and on a smaller scale we have even seen a pirate league in speedway in the past. When you have rival organisations like we have now in speedway you can't rule anything in and you can't rule anything out. The FIM and their TV broadcasters need to get their act together to get it sorted . Its only a trickle now but if next year riders like Lindgren and Bjerre for example were to follow Emil and Gollob the SGP would start to look a bit uncompetitive. The lower order of the SGP line-up doesn't look all that great even now. True. FIM/BSI have to face the fact they are not going to control everyone and everything anymore. BSI started this bloody war but did they win anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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