SCB Posted March 5, 2014 Report Share Posted March 5, 2014 It's a shame he has pulled out but if he feels he cannot compete both physically, mentally and mechanically for what works out as 1/4 of the weekends a year at the highest level then he has been very sensible. Why ruin a career for a short term gamble. His type of injuries often it hurts more the day after riding / exercise so practice on a Friday, GP Saturday and Poland on a Sunday I bet his body is spent. Big respect to him. Makes even more amazing he can do 4 SEC meetings and 3 Invitation pairs meeting and the practice associated with them. What a hero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 It doesn't look like there's much wrong with Emil having a practice at Torun a few days go... http://www.speedwayeuro.com/video/74/ or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IllC1dQLNds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 It doesn't look like there's much wrong with Emil having a practice at Torun a few days go... http://www.speedwayeuro.com/video/74/ or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IllC1dQLNds I hope he is getting plenty of rest after it. Also hope it didn't cost him too much in fuel, moneys tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Seems to be a lot going on behind the scenes with a alot of monies being owed...cannot really blame Emil for pulling out of the GPs......must be verry dissolusioned with the sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 The SGP is 2-3 times more meetings than if a rider did the old WC and reached the Final. For a British rider, 3 or 4 of those rounds would generally be in Britain, and even for Scandinavian and Continental riders the earlier rounds were relatively regionalised. We all know that the old WC didn't pay much, but there was much less of financial commitment needed, especially if you weren't successful and went out. The SGP is probably okay for the riders at the top end who can pull in decent sponsors, but it's long been known that it's a marginal existence for those in the lower echelons. The bottom line is that regardless of what OneSport's intentions actually are, the SEC wouldn't even get a look in if there's wasn't some disgruntlement among riders about what they're getting out of the SGP. Agree that OneSport seem like a cowboy outfit though, not that I'm any fan of BSI either... Its my understanding that prize money paid by the F.I.M hasn't risen for 12 years.If that's the case the riders are been taken for mugs ! The GP and SEC pay about the same. So it's not a money thing there. Emil wont be able to race 24 hours either side of a GP anywhere now as he has withdrawn form the GP after signing entry to the GPs. So i hope Torun don't have any league meetings the day after any GP meetings. So it's not because BSI/the FIM is bad then? Well that ruins that little theory. On the other had he has financial issues due to money owed to him in Poland? Yet British Speedway is the joke? How often do you hear of riders being owed money in the UK? Does Swindon and Birmingham in 2013 ring any bells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Its my understanding that prize money paid by the F.I.M hasn't risen for 12 years.If that's the case the riders are been taken for mugs ! It has! Only about 5-10 percent a few years ago, but definately within the past 12 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) It has! Only about 5-10 percent a few years ago, but definately within the past 12 years. BSI also pay each of the 15 permanent riders $12,000 at the start of the season. This has replaced the bumper cash prize that was on offer a few years back. Riders agreed that they would rather see the sum distributed in this manner to help with new season expenses. BSI also pay each of the 15 permanent riders $12,000 at the start of the season. This has replaced the bumper cash prize that was on offer a few years back. Riders agreed that they would rather see the sum distributed in this manner to help with new season expenses. So that's $180,000 in addition to paying the FIM several million for the commercial rights and around 20,000 Euros in inscription fees for each SGP. Edited March 6, 2014 by PHILIPRISING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy jimmy Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 BSI also pay each of the 15 permanent riders $12,000 at the start of the season. This has replaced the bumper cash prize that was on offer a few years back. Riders agreed that they would rather see the sum distributed in this manner to help with new season expenses. So that's $180,000 in addition to paying the FIM several million for the commercial rights and around 20,000 Euros in inscription fees for each SGP. I think they may have overpaid for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Its my understanding that prize money paid by the F.I.M hasn't risen for 12 years.If that's the case the riders are been taken for mugs ! Does Swindon and Birmingham in 2013 ring any bells. And its all been paid up since. Swindons issues was cash flow rather than lack of payment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) And its all been paid up since. Swindons issues was cash flow rather than lack of payment.How naive you are ! You can dress it up how you want,failing to pay riders on time is lack of payment. Without the intervention of Swindons main 2 sponsors this cash would not have been paid.How many businesses which are on the point of going bankrupt trot out that line "simply a cash flow problem" Edited March 6, 2014 by New Science 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 How naive you are ! You can dress it up how you want,failing to pay riders on time is lack of payment. Without the intervention of Swindons main 2 sponsors this cash would not have been paid.How many businesses which are on the point of going bankrupt trot out that line "simply a cash flow problem" How many of Swindon riders are owed money now? How many of Brimingham riders are now owed money? How many of Czestowas are now owed money? Yes it happens but it's generally sorted. Yet in Poland you hear year after year of rider being owed many thousands from the year before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) So that's $180,000 in addition to paying the FIM several million for the commercial rights and around 20,000 Euros in inscription fees for each SGP. This is an outrage! Have Amnesty International been informed of the plight of BSI? Prisoners in a contract of such cruelty. In my own business I must pay for my staff, for my stock, the rental of my premises, my business rates and sundry other expenses. All in the hope of making a profit at year end. Oh I do wish I had someone to plead poverty on my behalf. Especially someone so impartial. . Edited March 6, 2014 by Grand Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 So that's $180,000 in addition to paying the FIM several million for the commercial rights and around 20,000 Euros in inscription fees for each SGP. It's not several million - it's around 1.5 million per year to the FIM which I think is linked to the number of events staged. A figure that you have yourself previously acknowledged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 This is an outrage! Have Amnesty International been informed of the plight of BSI? Prisoners in a contract of such cruelty. In my own business I must pay for my staff, for my stock, the rental of my premises, my business rates and sundry other expenses. All in the hope of making a profit at year end. Oh I do wish I had someone to plead poverty on my behalf. Especially someone so impartial. . Pathetic post. All Phil has pointed out is some figures. What do one sport pay, what prize money do they dish out? How naive you are ! You can dress it up how you want,failing to pay riders on time is lack of payment. Without the intervention of Swindons main 2 sponsors this cash would not have been paid.How many businesses which are on the point of going bankrupt trot out that line "simply a cash flow problem" You appear to be the naive one... Without the intervention you say... Sadly that defeats your point as there was an intervention and the riders were paid, which is scb's point. This is not the case in Poland time and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 It's not several million - it's around 1.5 million per year to the FIM which I think is linked to the number of events staged. A figure that you have yourself previously acknowledged. BUT it's a long term deal so that adds up to several million. GRAND CENTRAL: was simply pointing out that, contrary to the views of some on here, BSI do actual pay proper money for the World Championship and invest a great deal more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 GRAND CENTRAL: was simply pointing out that, contrary to the views of some on here, BSI do actual pay proper money for the World Championship and invest a great deal more. What money are they actually investing? Whilst there's some overheads involved in running the GPs, and I'd imagine they're taking some financial risk on the GPs they run themselves, it wouldn't seem to be a capital intensive business given they rent stadiums, plant and bring in production facilities as needed. There's maybe the air fence, shale and promotional paraphernalia, but what what else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Perhaps Sayfutdinov just plain can't afford to commit to running a full GP season at the level he needs to in order to have a chance of winning. It's a big chunk of money that he has been let down on as well as last years injuries hitting his earnings very hard. Possibly he sees a year out to rebuild his finances as his best option for becoming World Champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGP Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 (edited) THIS year's prize money, per round, in USD $ is: 1 12,000.00 2 8,800.00 3 7,200.00 4 6,200.00 5 5,200.00 6 5,200.00 7 4,600.00 8 4,600.00 9 3,850.00 10 3,700.00 11 3,650.00 12 3,600.00 13 3,550.00 14 3 ,500.00 15 3,450.00 16 3,400.00 17 1,000.00 18 1,000.00 Edited March 7, 2014 by SGP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 I'd guess you have to win a GP to make much out of one.But even a day or so Ecclestone was in the paper answering a question about a lot of the F1 teams complaining that they aren't making money.He was saying they should cut back on the luxury mobile homes and all the trappings etc rather than going for slower more fuel efficient cars.He wants speed and noise.You then look at what some of the speedway riders have.The amount of bikes and equipment and then probably a couple of mechanics.That all comes out of the cost,so a rider who struggles in the GPs must be making quite a loss even with 12,000 up front Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theknow 2 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 THIS year's prize money, per round, in USD $ is: 1 12,000.00 2 8,800.00 3 7,200.00 4 6,200.00 5 5,200.00 6 5,200.00 7 4,600.00 8 4,600.00 9 3,850.00 10 3,700.00 11 3,650.00 12 3,600.00 13 3,550.00 14 3 ,500.00 15 3,450.00 16 3,400.00 17 1,000.00 18 1,000.00 Looking at the above it hasnt really gone up for many years and i would say is very poor at the current exchange rate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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