Steve Shovlar Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 The sad thing is, that in order to race in the BSI's organised SGP riders need a lot of money. They need as much ( if not more) to invest than can expect to earn. BSI failed to persuade any Russian venue to stage GP round therefore no Russian sponsor for Emil. He is also involved in bitter dispute with his last year Polish club Czestochowa which owes him a lot of money. BTW. the rumours of him not being fully recovered from last year injury are just not true. Emil with other Torun riders was practicing yesterday on the Moto|Arena and declared himself ready for the season. Perhaps his Polish club should pay him the money that he is owed? You spout on about how good polish speedway is and the best in the world etc but if they can't pay their riders they are a corrupt bunch and should be barred from the sport until his wages have been paid in full. I read that they are trying to fine him 50,000 zl a meeting he missed when his father died. what a bunch of scumbags. Emil May well win the SEC but it will mean absolutely NOTHING compared to who wins the World championship. If he has taken advice he is a fool. A WORLD champion will get far more sponsorship than a winner of a relatively meaningless tournament. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Caused by the ever increasing Mafioso One Sport. Exactly as predicted. Yet some will continue to blame BSI... who are far from perfect, but are nowhere near the gutter level that One Sport and their backers operate at. I am not one who puts the blame on BSI.For me the problems lie soley with the FIM and since Castagna has taken over we have gone from bad to worse...... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Perhaps his Polish club should pay him the money that he is owed? You spout on about how good polish speedway is and the best in the world etc but if they can't pay their riders they are a corrupt bunch and should be barred from the sport until his wages have been paid in full. I read that they are trying to fine him 50,000 zl a meeting he missed when his father died. what a bunch of scumbags. Emil May well win the SEC but it will mean absolutely NOTHING compared to who wins the World championship. If he has taken advice he is a fool. A WORLD champion will get far more sponsorship than a winner of a relatively meaningless tournament. Far more 'clean' sponsorship yes. I have no doubt Emil is a pawn who is being told exactly what he must do... or... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 You spout on about how good polish speedway is and the best in the world etc Normally I would not get into discussion with you, for obvious reasons...but if you say "A", say also "B" and provide the proof of what you have alleged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 I am not one who puts the blame on BSI.For me the problems lie soley with the FIM and since Castagna has taken over we have gone from bad to worse...... But we're left to piece together the politics ourselves... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Normally I would not get into discussion with you, for obvious reasons...but if you say "A", say also "B" and provide the proof of what you have alleged. You're the one who alleged it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Yes they will be. To be a World Champion you have to be bothered to compete. Emil isn't, he is irrelevant. I tend to share orions view. If and I stress IF Emil has a blinder of a year then whoever wins the title will have the question hanging over him of "Would he still have won if Emil had been there?". You are correct in saying a rider who doesn't compete shouldn't have the title of world champion but whether the winner can be said to be the best rider in the world without Emil there will be the subject of debate for years to come. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 It would be pure folly for Sayfutdinov to suddenly recover enough to take any part in this years SEC. Furthermore, if Sayfutdinov is looking to return to SGP in 2015, will he be fit to take part in this years qualification rounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) I tend to share orions view. If and I stress IF Emil has a blinder of a year then whoever wins the title will have the question hanging over him of "Would he still have won if Emil had been there?". You are correct in saying a rider who doesn't compete shouldn't have the title of world champion but whether the winner can be said to be the best rider in the world without Emil there will be the subject of debate for years to come. Nope, disagree. Emil hasn't the bottle to enter, so he isn't World Champion worthy. Simples. Besides, most champions over the last 25 years have had the question hanging over their head of "If Buzz Burrows had been in the World Championships, would they have won" Edited March 4, 2014 by BWitcher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 A great shame really great to watch, certainly with Ward the most exciting rider in the world.Again speedway suffers because the series will be certainly a lot poorer without him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 So it all being the SECs fault is a load of bollock then? Because only Emil was considering withdrawing, yet he's withdrawn anyway. AJ and Nicki had commited to the GPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Too True and a Speedway rider who cares about £ over becoming World Champion is not one who I want to watch! (As much as he was fantastic last year) Its Crazy but the only thing that may give him some leeway with me is that he is still reported that he owed money by Czestochowa. So disapointed! I agree and he certainly appears to be 'all about the money'. The money reportedly owed to him in Poland was, if I remember correctly, a huge amount - indicating he is very well paid and there was a restructuring agreement to ensure he got his dollar. In many sports the rewards on the route to becoming world champion are poor but the title is what people want - clearly that doesn't apply to Mr S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Good god open your eyes man. This is not IMG's problem, they have done nothing wrong. There is no reason for Emil Sayfutdinov not to be competing in the GP's this season. He is not prevented from doing so and can ride in the SEC as well. The simple fact is, One Sports bluff was called. Permission was granted for riders to take part in both, but that doesn't fit their political agenda so pressure has been applied on Emil to make him withdraw in attempts to devalue/destabilise the official World Championships. At least BSI have informed the paying public of the situation, One Sport would (as they did with Woffinden last season) have continued to advertise him right up until the day of the event. Do you know that one sport have put pressure on for fact or are you guessing? For what its worth the GP has lost a massive star IMO im gutted Emil isnt riding as he is the one rider i liked watching above all others. Personally i think whoever does win this year will have an air of doubt about if they were the best rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 So it all being the SECs fault is a load of bollock then? Because only Emil was considering withdrawing, yet he's withdrawn anyway. AJ and Nicki had commited to the GPs It's entirely political, Emil is being used as a pawn by One sport and their backers, he will be financially compensated of that you can be sure. Don't forget Gollob has also declined a wild card earlier (after originally accepting it and stating he was keen to carry on for couple more years yet). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Sad for both Emil and the SGP series. There have been rumours for some time that he hasn't fully recovered from last year's crash, as evidenced by his lack of activity on a bike since. Also some suggestions that his acrimonious departure from Czestochowa has left him financially impaired and it does appear that his threats to withdraw if he couldn't also ride in SEC might have been at least in part a smokescreen. Not only one of the most talented riders on the current international stage but also one of the most exciting. Let's hope he can still forge out a career at the highest level and achieve what surely should be his ambition of becoming the number one rider in the world ... The injury is a red herring,Emil has been practising at Torun and is quoted on a Polish website as having no ill effects. He has also been named in the Russian team to ride in the One Sport promoted Best pairs which will kick off in Torun at the end of THIS month.Fully expect Emil to ride in all the European Championship rounds but it will be interesting to see if he gives the world cup a miss as he did last year.If he does I think it tells you all you need to know about his relationship with BSI and the FIM.The other issue is money,riders are quite open in saying that they are loosing money in entering the SGP.BSI and the FIM need to look at this,no wonder riders are clambering to join the SEC it pays more.It seems that the lack of money in the SGP has now accounted for Sayfutidnov and Gollob this year,2 of the sports great entertainers and title contenders deciding to give the sports ultimate title a miss.Glory might be great but the worlds best riders should be paid appropriately for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) It's entirely political, Emil is being used as a pawn by One sport and their backers, he will be financially compensated of that you can be sure. Don't forget Gollob has also declined a wild card earlier (after originally accepting it and stating he was keen to carry on for couple more years yet). Of course he is being used as a pawn, but not by OneSport. Are you all ignorant of the fact that Emil and Tomasz are both Torun's rider and their owner will not stomach another posssible injury to his riders in a GP event. Chris Holder and Darcy Ward are also his riders. Can you imagine trepidation in his mind when watching GP race with the following line-up: Holder, Sayfutdinov, Ward, and Gollob (all Torun's riders)? Last year was bad enough when Gollob got injured in Sweden and because of that Torun's owner pulled out his team from the final round of the play-offs. Of course Emil will be financially compensated, so is Gollob. It also proves that for some there are more important things than SGP. Edited March 4, 2014 by PolskiZuzel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Riders have never ever had rich financial pickings from prize money when winning World Titles, even back in the day of the big one off Finals. However, you would never ever have seen Mauger, Briggs, Fundin, Olsen, Nielsen, Gundersen and the other greats of the sport forsake the World Championship for what is essentially nothing more than a highly paid individual meeting. Sayfutdinov and Gollob have no excuses as they can ride in both. Of course he is being used as a pawn, but not by OneSport. Are you all ignorant of the fact that Emil and Tomasz are both Torun's rider and their owner will not stomach another posssible injury to his riders in a GP event. Chris Holder and Darcy Ward are also his riders. Can you imagine trepidation in his mind when watching GP race with the following line-up: Holder, Sayfutdinov, Ward, and Gollob (all Torun's riders)? Last year was bad enough when Gollob got injured in Sweden and because of that Torun's owner pulled out his team from the final round of the play-offs. Of course Emil will be financially compensated, so is Gollob. It also proves that for some there more important things than SGP. No it doesn't prove anything and your comments show nothing but utter contempt for the sport of speedway and its history. The promoters of Torun are nothing short of a disgrace and should have been banned from their sport for their actions last year. Refusing to race in a play.off final is quite simply indefensible. Now you are telling us that the owners of Torun do not wish their riders to compete in World Championships? As I said, disgrace to the sport. Edited March 4, 2014 by BWitcher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Nope, disagree. Emil hasn't the bottle to enter, so he isn't World Champion worthy. Simples. Besides, most champions over the last 25 years have had the question hanging over their head of "If Buzz Burrows had been in the World Championships, would they have won" Rarely do we see eye to eye on here but I see we are both of the exact same opinion. And to say that the World Champion in 2014 will be tarnished with what if Emil rode scenario, as far as I am concerned it will make no difference to whoever wins the title. They will be worthy of being called WC. Emil can go play in these small unimportant SEC meetings and leave the glory to those who care about being the best. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 but it will be interesting to see if he gives the world cup a miss as he did last year.If he does I think it tells you all you need to know about his relationship with BSI and the FIM. I think it has been documented that Emil has problems with the MFR in the past and he is not the only Russian rider.So that might explain any possible failure to ride for Russia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navigator1900 Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 such a SHAME ! I wonder what the real reasons are that Emil has to withdraw from SGP 2014 ??? Such a nice lad and talented rider, last year he was so close and then all this negative things happened to him. I still cannot believe that he won't be able to compete this years World Championship ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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