New Science Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 IN an ideal world BSI could take the Bydgoszcz track with them and lay it, like a carpet, at each venue. The stadiums wouldn't be big enough to contain all the people wanting to watch. Sadly, speedway track construction isn't an exact science ... WHEN has local incompetence been blamed or the organisers passing the buck as ever... Doesn't speedway live in a perverse world ? We have a track that is the best in the world but we can't get any punters in to watch it and we have a new venue with a decent crowd where we can't produce a track which provides anything like a decent race ! Go Figure ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 I've made up my mind what spoils it for me but that thing is seemingly not gonna change any time soon :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleoleole Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 If the track shape can be changed for next year then obviously there was a problem this year. This problem should have been spotted and solved by whoever the experts are months ago. As "mere" fans we knew the track was too narrow as soon as we saw it on Wednesday. The country, city and people have been great, but most of those who travelled this year and the locals, who left in droves before the end, will not be there next year. What a mess! BSI/IMG need to concentrate on the track. Get that right and everything else will follow, however they seem more interested in their bloody fan zone and Monster Energy!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 There's no excuse at the end of the day, if Ole Olsen was the overseer of the track prep then he oversaw the track shape et al. I don't give a t anyway, just glad all the riders came away unscathed, Olsen obviously doesn't really care as don't the FIM, as don't BSI, it's the same crap for everyone. The riders are obliged to race, they want to be world champs, they have signed contracts so are at the mercy of the three influences .............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 BSI/IMG need to concentrate on the track. Get that right and everything else will follow, however they seem more interested in their bloody fan zone and Monster Energy!!Tbh im not sure thats true, for the casual fan I think the whole entertainment package is at least as important as quality of racing. In nz we had 15k to the first gp, which had good racing. But only 8.5k for the next wherr racing was poor. But then increased by around 1k for the most recent gp. Racing is obviously a factor, but I dont think its the main one, especially outside of the mai speedway nations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 I put a post on the forum in November when pictures were put up of the track, saying it looked far too narrow into & out of the bends. Why no one realised and sought to rectify just screams of incompetence by all parties. Shambles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 FURROW Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 There's no excuse at the end of the day, if Ole Olsen was the overseer of the track prep then he oversaw the track shape et al. I don't give a t anyway, just glad all the riders came away unscathed, Olsen obviously doesn't really care as don't the FIM, as don't BSI, it's the same crap for everyone. The riders are obliged to race, they want to be world champs, they have signed contracts so are at the mercy of the three influences ..............That's an absolute crap comment they may have signed contracts but if they deem it not safe they won't ride remember the Gothenburg walk out or do you have a short memory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Depends how long you've been in the sauna with only a fig leaf to cover your knackers!You're naked in the sauna. Doesnt matter If at home with the family or in a public sauna with 20 people never met, its done nude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 That's an absolute crap comment they may have signed contracts but if they deem it not safe they won't ride remember the Gothenburg walk out or do you have a short memory That's an absolute crap comment they may have signed contracts but if they deem it not safe they won't ride remember the Gothenburg walk out or do you have a short memory It's got to be really, really bad for the riders to walk out. They shouldn't have to race on an inferior track to win the World Championship, no excuse! You were totally satisfied with the debacle? :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 There were plenty of world finals decided on poor tracks which didnt allow for passing. Norden 83 was very poor. The swedish world finaks in 80 and 84 psssing was at an absolute premium. Doesn't make it desirable, but its inevitable that some meetings will be poor, and at least now the title isnt decided in one meeting on a follow-the-leader track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 There were plenty of world finals decided on poor tracks which didnt allow for passing. Norden 83 was very poor. The swedish world finaks in 80 and 84 psssing was at an absolute premium. Doesn't make it desirable, but its inevitable that some meetings will be poor, and at least now the title isnt decided in one meeting on a follow-the-leader track. If my memory is correct - wasn`t a Wembley final nearly called off because of the state of the track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 If my memory is correct - wasn`t a Wembley final nearly called off because of the state of the track. WASN'T that 1975 when Len Silver was out with the hosepipe? Cannot compare some of those tracks mentioned above with last Saturday. The main beef amongst the riders was the narrow corners and the lack of racing lines. And, as said previously, no one deliberately tries to create a bad racing surface. It's not like going to a recipe book and baking a cake in an oven on an exact temperature for an exact time. Said until I am blue in the face that if it was that easy tracks right across the speedway spectrum would be perfect. In fact, they are the exception rather than the rule. Other than the shape, the track at the Ratina for practice was excellent. And that is often the problem with temporary tracks. They are often pristine for practice, the equivalent of two full meetings, but not 24 hours later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) Was that 75? Pc had won a couple of heat s then supporters flooded the track just before his third ride? I blame the lack of climate controlled storage facility. Edit: see phil r beat me to it re the year Edited May 21, 2014 by waihekeaces1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Had thr track been perfect at the weekend, would that have meant even less passing, given that almost all the overtaking resulted from mistakes by riders hitting ruts etc? The 2nd nz gp had the fastest race times, which would indicate the best surface, but had easily the worst racing of the three gps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Had thr track been perfect at the weekend, would that have meant even less passing, given that almost all the overtaking resulted from mistakes by riders hitting ruts etc? The 2nd nz gp had the fastest race times, which would indicate the best surface, but had easily the worst racing of the three gps. ONE of the anomalies of speedway ... the perfect track in terms of racing surface doesn't necessarily equate to good racing. The real key is having more than one racing line ... Hyde Road was the absolute perfect example, Bydgoszcz in the same league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 ONE of the anomalies of speedway ... the perfect track in terms of racing surface doesn't necessarily equate to good racing. The real key is having more than one racing line ... Hyde Road was the absolute perfect example, Bydgoszcz in the same league. Agree and if you look at last nights match from Sweden that was a superb shape plenty racing lines and perfect track prep on a warm night no sign of much dust and the riders were supremely confident of track prep with the way they were wheel to wheel entering the the bends.It can be done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Agree and if you look at last nights match from Sweden that was a superb shape plenty racing lines and perfect track prep on a warm night no sign of much dust and the riders were supremely confident of track prep with the way they were wheel to wheel entering the the bends.It can be done. DIDN'T see it ... where was it from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 There were plenty of world finals decided on poor tracks which didnt allow for passing. Norden 83 was very poor. The swedish world finaks in 80 and 84 psssing was at an absolute premium. Doesn't make it desirable, but its inevitable that some meetings will be poor, and at least now the title isnt decided in one meeting on a follow-the-leader track. You should be BSI press officer ! I've made up my mind what spoils it for me but that thing is seemingly not gonna change any time soon :-(Go on tell us ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 DIDN'T see it ... where was it from?Indianerna think that's Kumla. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 (edited) DIDN'T see it ... where was it from? Indianerna think that's Kumla. That is correct, or be to be precise, track name (and location) is Sannahed (just south of Kumla). Edited May 21, 2014 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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