Ray Stadia Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 I think I said earlier that I thought that given that the track is in so isolated a place, given that they have been working like that long before the people moved in and given that I stayed in a caravan in the stadium compound and slept through it all it is not unreasonable that they continue until that time. That doesn't get away from the point that the people moved in next to the stadium and didn't establish that it was there or the hours it was used. As I said before, if you don't like the sea, you don't move into a lighthouse. At the end of the day, Mr Coventry and the couple had a grievance. It is a pity it had to go to court and couldn't have been settled long before going down that route. Both sides are probably to blame for that. I would imagine and perhaps this is a sexist comment, the lady bent the ear of her male partner and it escalated from there! I think us men have all probably been there at some time! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 At the end of the day, Mr Coventry and the couple had a grievance. It is a pity it had to go to court and couldn't have been settled long before going down that route. Both sides are probably to blame for that. I would imagine and perhaps this is a sexist comment, the lady bent the ear of her male partner and it escalated from there! I think us men have all probably been there at some time! B!tch,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 Whatever the rights and wrongs you have to wonder if the judges verdict might have been more favourable had there been no noise during the middle of the night! Indeed.Whatever is agreed,it is always good to use common sense.We all know the times are changing and more and more not just noise but light 'pollution' is coming under attack.Nowadays even if there isn't any noise,just having floodlights on during the night can cause complaints from environmentalists/star gazers/wildlife protesters etc.Why risk antagonising people when i would have thought an alternative would be easy to find 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adz_mft Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 I've just seen a video of where their house was.You actually have to drive past the stadium itself to get to it.How they didn't know it was there is beyond me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barncooseboy Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 I dont believe that churches apply for planning permission to ring their bells and therefore complaints regarding noise are allowed to be considered. WEst Row Stadium have been granted planning permission to run motor sport racing events and in granting permission it is considered that the planning authoroty in their consideration of the application they will have taken all factors into consideration from the effect of the granting on the local wildlife to the noise likely to be generated by the activity. IF IT IS AN ACTIVITY THAT CAN REASONABLY BE EXPECTED TO GENERATE NOISE THE GRANTING OF PLANNING PERMISSION IS DEEMED TO MEAN THAT THE PLANNING AUTHORITY HAVE GIVEN DUE WEIGHT TO THE EFFECT OF THE NOISE ON THE LOCAL AREA AND HAVE REEACHED A CONCLUSION THAT IT DOES not CONSTITUTE A NUISANCE. Having come to that conclusion there is no avenue to take legal action against the noise maker under planning law.because their right to make a noise is enshrined in the grant of permission. the paperwork granting the permission was freely available for iinspection at the local council offices, the complainants and their agents simply didnt look. A grant for planning, if renewed at intervals, can last fforever here in Devon a mine/quarry that was given planning permission in the 1950s is about to begin operation under that grant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 I dont believe that churches apply for planning permission to ring their bells and therefore complaints regarding noise are allowed to be considered. WEst Row Stadium have been granted planning permission to run motor sport racing events and in granting permission it is considered that the planning authoroty in their consideration of the application they will have taken all factors into consideration from the effect of the granting on the local wildlife to the noise likely to be generated by the activity. IF IT IS AN ACTIVITY THAT CAN REASONABLY BE EXPECTED TO GENERATE NOISE THE GRANTING OF PLANNING PERMISSION IS DEEMED TO MEAN THAT THE PLANNING AUTHORITY HAVE GIVEN DUE WEIGHT TO THE EFFECT OF THE NOISE ON THE LOCAL AREA AND HAVE REEACHED A CONCLUSION THAT IT DOES not CONSTITUTE A NUISANCE. Having come to that conclusion there is no avenue to take legal action against the noise maker under planning law.because their right to make a noise is enshrined in the grant of permission. the paperwork granting the permission was freely available for iinspection at the local council offices, the complainants and their agents simply didnt look. A grant for planning, if renewed at intervals, can last fforever here in Devon a mine/quarry that was given planning permission in the 1950s is about to begin operation under that grant. If that is true, how was it the supreme court found in favour of the couple? Surely being granted permission to make noise, doesn't mean you can do it 24/7? Surely when permission is granted, certain boundaries are put in place? For the court to have found in favour of the couple, I would suggest the boundaries were 'stepped over'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) 'Accordingly, it appears clear to me that it is no defence for a defendant who is sued in nuisance to contend that the claimant came to the nuisance' Taken from the court judgement in this case (to be fair, it is backed up by a raft of other cases). In my view, that's bloody ridiculous. 'Quite apart from this, it seems wrong in principle that, through the grant of a planning permission, a planning authority should be able to deprive a property-owner of a right to object to what would otherwise be a nuisance', Basically, planning permission is pretty much irrelevant. Edited March 4, 2014 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 'Accordingly, it appears clear to me that it is no defence for a defendant who is sued in nuisance to contend that the claimant came to the nuisance' Taken from the court judgement in this case (to be fair, it is backed up by a raft of other cases). In my view, that's bloody ridiculous. 'Quite apart from this, it seems wrong in principle that, through the grant of a planning permission, a planning authority should be able to deprive a property-owner of a right to object to what would otherwise be a nuisance', Basically, planning permission is pretty much irrelevant. What the above suggests, even though you have planning permission, you still need to be reasonable. Or in other words, use common sense. Perhaps when they grant planning permission, this is how they expect people to behave. Mr Coventry obviously believes he has acted reasonably. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 What the above suggests, even though you have planning permission, you still need to be reasonable. Or in other words, use common sense. Perhaps when they grant planning permission, this is how they expect people to behave. Mr Coventry obviously believes he has acted reasonably. yes he has acted reasonably.its those nimbys who are being unreasonable.why don't they have the common sense to piss off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 yes he has acted reasonably.its those nimbys who are being unreasonable.why don't they have the common sense to piss off Whilst I sympathise with Mildenhall Speedway very much. I cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, condone making a noise nuisance at 0300 Hrs in the morning. I am sorry - but to me - that is NOT reasonable - in fact it is bloody unreasonable. Does not seem to be a lot of that rare thing called Common Sense being used by the Stadium Owners here. :sad: 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Whilst I sympathise with Mildenhall Speedway very much. I cannot, by any stretch of the imagination, condone making a noise nuisance at 0300 Hrs in the morning. I am sorry - but to me - that is NOT reasonable - in fact it is bloody unreasonable. Does not seem to be a lot of that rare thing called Common Sense being used by the Stadium Owners here. :sad: well how many times did the noise go on till 3 p.m ? not everybody wants to be tucked up in bed by 12 p.m those who do and live near a motorsports stadium would be better off moving into an old people home and enjoy doing some knitting or reading there newspapers with their cocoa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 well how many times did the noise go on till 3 p.m ? not everybody wants to be tucked up in bed by 12 p.m those who do and live near a motorsports stadium would be better off moving into an old people home and enjoy doing some knitting or reading there newspapers with their cocoa. Numerous times it would seem (3AM) and it is totally inconsiderate. Have a look at most motorsports circuits and see the restrictions imposed on them. Brands Hatch in particular have only limited days and hours when engines can sound. They, like every other circuit in the land adhere to those conditions rigidly because almost certainly a breach would see them closed down. That said I expect the owners have enough common decency not to be making noise through the night with or without restrictions. The owners of Mildenhall don't appear to give two hoots for the neighbours and appear to have got what they deserve. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 well how many times did the noise go on till 3 p.m ? not everybody wants to be tucked up in bed by 12 p.m those who do and live near a motorsports stadium would be better off moving into an old people home and enjoy doing some knitting or reading there newspapers with their cocoa. By some of your Posts you seem to be one of these folk who have absolutely NO consideration for others. I think the part of your Post that I have highlighted is downright insulting to MOST people who have to live and work in a noisy environment not just Sports Stadia. The fact is that these people who are complaining SHOULD have done Due Diligence in order to find out about any problems living close to the Stadium - they did not, it would appear. THAT is their fault. The noise a 0300hrs is the fault of the Stadium for allowing it. I cannot help but feel that had the noise ended by a sensible time eg. 2300 Hrs - there would have been NO problem today with the Speedway or any other Sport. The ironic thing, in this case, seems to be that none of the trouble is caused by the Speedway. I'm off now to get my COCOA!!! Complete Knitting a scarf - so YOU can sod off!! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 By some of your Posts you seem to be one of these folk who have absolutely NO consideration for others. I think the part of your Post that I have highlighted is downright insulting to MOST people who have to live and work in a noisy environment not just Sports Stadia. The fact is that these people who are complaining SHOULD have done Due Diligence in order to find out about any problems living close to the Stadium - they did not, it would appear. THAT is their fault. The noise a 0300hrs is the fault of the Stadium for allowing it. I cannot help but feel that had the noise ended by a sensible time eg. 2300 Hrs - there would have been NO problem today with the Speedway or any other Sport. The ironic thing, in this case, seems to be that none of the trouble is caused by the Speedway. I'm off now to get my COCOA!!! Complete Knitting a scarf - so YOU can sod off!! Make a note of the time and date Ian speaks some sense, a monumental date in history 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 see,,, miracles can happen :-P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Can't help but think that someone is on a monumental wind up and people are biting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 By some of your Posts you seem to be one of these folk who have absolutely NO consideration for others. I think the part of your Post that I have highlighted is downright insulting to MOST people who have to live and work in a noisy environment not just Sports Stadia. The fact is that these people who are complaining SHOULD have done Due Diligence in order to find out about any problems living close to the Stadium - they did not, it would appear. THAT is their fault. The noise a 0300hrs is the fault of the Stadium for allowing it. I cannot help but feel that had the noise ended by a sensible time eg. 2300 Hrs - there would have been NO problem today with the Speedway or any other Sport. The ironic thing, in this case, seems to be that none of the trouble is caused by the Speedway. I'm off now to get my COCOA!!! Complete Knitting a scarf - so YOU can sod off!! What colour is the scarf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) Make a note of the time and date Ian speaks some sense, a monumental date in history Cheeky Git!!! :angry: What colour is the scarf? Red and White of course. Edited March 4, 2014 by The White Knight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 (edited) By some of your Posts you seem to be one of these folk who have absolutely NO consideration for others. I think the part of your Post that I have highlighted is downright insulting to MOST people who have to live and work in a noisy environment not just Sports Stadia. The fact is that these people who are complaining SHOULD have done Due Diligence in order to find out about any problems living close to the Stadium - they did not, it would appear. THAT is their fault. The noise a 0300hrs is the fault of the Stadium for allowing it. I cannot help but feel that had the noise ended by a sensible time eg. 2300 Hrs - there would have been NO problem today with the Speedway or any other Sport. The ironic thing, in this case, seems to be that none of the trouble is caused by the Speedway. I'm off now to get my COCOA!!! Complete Knitting a scarf - so YOU can sod off!! He can't even get the difference right between am and pm I find its best not to engage with morons, it's not good for the blood pressure.. Make a note of the time and date Ian speaks some sense, a monumental date in history You have fast become my favourite poster on here Oldace Edited March 4, 2014 by Jacques 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonyk Posted March 4, 2014 Report Share Posted March 4, 2014 Excuse me if I have this wrong but I always thought Mildenhall speedway was mainly an afternoon event. Given a couple of hours for racing and maybe a couple more for practice/try outs/grading track etc that's only 8 or 9pm at most. Where does the 3am come into it. Adding to that the time I took my son to a practice session there at least a couple of times during the day the ground shook from the planes going over, far far worse than anything four speedway bikes could do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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