Sounds Like Bad News For West Row

[therefused]

 

 

Without going in to it on this Thread - we ARE supposed to be.

No we are not.

[Guest]

 

Indeed it is, which is why in certain inner city areas you won't hear church bells ringing on Sunday mornings any more, due to non-Christians moving into the area and succeeding with their objections about the noise.

 

Why should speedway be any different?

 

 

With respect, that sounds like a myth to me rather than fact. Probably put about by UKIP!

 

The church bells ring in Penge, south London, every Sunday morning at both RC and CoE churches. And this despite there being a Mosque with a quarter-mile of both of them!

The silencing of the church bells is for them to stop between 11 pm and 7 am, which is sort of fair. However, due to fact they are activated automatically, they can't be switched off between that time. Therefore, it is really a technical issue. The other complaint about the church worshippers playing loud music during sermons is not necessarily the guy being difficult because he is a Muslim, it might be flipping loud! All they need to do is keep the noise down a bit.

 

What is interesting, is I think there is a missing part to the Mildenhall story. I wonder if the supreme court are not expecting the track to stop it's activities, but to reduce them. Which may not suit Mr Coventry if he needs to run all the activities to make money. Just being devils advocate.

 

If that became the case, I think in view of Mr Coventry's own motoir sport links what that will be.

 

 

Without going in to it on this Thread - we ARE supposed to be.

Technically we are. We have a Queen who leads the Church of England.

We're not a Christian country.

 

 

 

 

Without going in to it on this Thread - we ARE supposed to be.

We are recognised Christian country because the Queen represents the leadership of the faith in the UK (and probably the Commonwealth).

Edited March 1, 2014 by Guest

[The Pedaler]

With respect, that sounds like a myth to me rather than fact. Probably put about by UKIP!

 

I suggest that one Sunday morning you go to somewhere like Handsworth, Aston, or even Sparkhill (Capital of "British Pakistan", according to Citizen Khan lol) and see if you hear any church bells ringing. Gather your own evidence rather than casting aspersions on others.

[Grachan]

I don't know the ins ad outs of everything, but the couple involved are saying noise was going on at the stadium until 3am, and they tried to solve it amicably but couldn't.

 

So, if that is how it was then maybe you have to have some sympathy with them as there may be more to this than just speedway noise.

[turtle]

I don't know the ins ad outs of everything, but the couple involved are saying noise was going on at the stadium until 3am, and they tried to solve it amicably but couldn't.

 

So, if that is how it was then maybe you have to have some sympathy with them as there may be more to this than just speedway noise.

so what. maybe once a week for the noise was coming from the banger racers packing up for ffs. they are really pissing off a lot of people and I doubt anybody apart from money grabbing solicitors have any sympathy for them. youre a long time dead and it will be quiet enough then. its about time the motorsport fraternity stood up to these misery guts. the same thing is happening at Mallory park. enough is enough. noise is good

[salty]

 

I suggest that one Sunday morning you go to somewhere like Handsworth, Aston, or even Sparkhill (Capital of "British Pakistan", according to Citizen Khan lol) and see if you hear any church bells ringing. Gather your own evidence rather than casting aspersions on others.

Aston Parish Church ring their bells every Sunday - practice is on Thursday evenings at 7.30.

http://www.astonnechellscofe.org.uk/activities_aston

[Ray Stadia]

 

I suggest that one Sunday morning you go to somewhere like Handsworth, Aston, or even Sparkhill (Capital of "British Pakistan", according to Citizen Khan lol) and see if you hear any church bells ringing. Gather your own evidence rather than casting aspersions on others.

Not casting aspersions, just suggesting that newspaper stories often don't reflect the facts. I have no doubt you have read an article or many articles possibly saying 'Muslims get church bells silenced', but is that really a true account of the situation? Similarly, with the Mildenhall situation, I feel there are things we haven't been told.

[Halifaxtiger]

I don't know the ins ad outs of everything, but the couple involved are saying noise was going on at the stadium until 3am, and they tried to solve it amicably but couldn't.

 

So, if that is how it was then maybe you have to have some sympathy with them as there may be more to this than just speedway noise.

 

What you say is true. Having stayed over a few times at the stadium so I could start work on Sunday for the speedway, noise does go to that time on banger nights. The meetings don't end until 10.30 or so, then there's the packing up and loading of the cars and work on the track. I drew the conclusion that the noise problem wasn't with speedway at all.

 

The thing is though is that even if that's the case it still doesn't get away from the point that these people moved in next to the stadium. It was already there, and as such it is not for the locality to adapt to suit the needs of people moving in, but for people not to move there in the first place. That's why this ruling is bizarre, ridiculous and perverse.

[ch958]

No we are not.

 

well reasoned argument

[Grachan]

so what. maybe once a week for the noise was coming from the banger racers packing up for ffs. they are really pissing off a lot of people and I doubt anybody apart from money grabbing solicitors have any sympathy for them. youre a long time dead and it will be quiet enough then. its about time the motorsport fraternity stood up to these misery guts. the same thing is happening at Mallory park. enough is enough. noise is good

Don't you see? That is precisely the type of attitude thst gets tracks shut down.

[dontforgetthefueltapsbruv]

 

I have to say I can't see them moving back in. I have little doubt that their claims of intimidation were true, so going back there probably isn't a good idea.

 

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But they are still most likely to want to rebuild the house to sell on and recoup monies even if they wont be living there.

 

Perhaps those locals affected will use all legal means (planning etc) to make it as difficult, expensive and time consuming a project for the couple as is possible.

[turtle]

Don't you see? That is precisely the type of attitude thst gets tracks shut down.

well rolling over and letting these tree hugging nimbys call all the shots has done no good.in fact they think that they are entitled to spoil peoples love of motorsport . about time that everybody stood up to them .

[Vince]

Standing up to them for your right to make noise in pursuit of your sport is absolutely the right thing to do. Trying to claim that right to make noise at 3am is absolutely the way to make sure that you never succeed.

 

People will never, ever accept motorsport on their doorstep if we aren't reasonable in doing what we can to minimise the nuisance. Some people will never be happy but the silent majority will turn into keen objectors if you insist on the right to make as much noise as you want whenever you feel like it.

[Damo b]

Regarding the top line Gustix, I was merely giving an opinion as to why the couple may have a case in the eyes of the supreme court. i.e. when they moved in, activity was low, but then got stepped up. From the couples point of view, they say, moved in when speedway was run on a Sunday afternoon, they could cope with that, then, say stocks start on say a Friday night, which were not there previously. Possibly, the couple would have a case. It's like moving next to a pub and they have live music every Friday night, have done for donkeys years. Manager decides to have live music on Sunday nights as well, those in the area would probably have a case to get, at least, the Sunday live music stopped.

 

I still don't think that gives them or anyone the right to complain, if you move next to a pub, then you have to be aware, that the potential is there for noise/activity to change. Now if you move somewhere with no pub, then one is going to be built, then you have a case.

[Halifaxtiger]

But they are still most likely to want to rebuild the house to sell on and recoup monies even if they wont be living there.

 

Perhaps those locals affected will use all legal means (planning etc) to make it as difficult, expensive and time consuming a project for the couple as is possible.

 

I suspect that what happens might be less than legal. There was a lot of talk about intimidation in the first court case and although it was never proved I can believe it happened.

 

Standing up to them for your right to make noise in pursuit of your sport is absolutely the right thing to do. Trying to claim that right to make noise at 3am is absolutely the way to make sure that you never succeed.

 

People will never, ever accept motorsport on their doorstep if we aren't reasonable in doing what we can to minimise the nuisance. Some people will never be happy but the silent majority will turn into keen objectors if you insist on the right to make as much noise as you want whenever you feel like it.

 

What you say is fair (as usual) Vince. But what if you have to make noise at 3am ? Its arguable that they do need to.

 

And this still doesn't get away from the fact that these people moved in next door. As such they knew the stadium was there and, if they did not (which, knowing the area, I find truly incredible) then that is their responsibility and theirs alone.

 

I repeat: it is not for a locality to change to meet the needs of a newcomer. It is for the newcomer not to have moved in in the first place if it did not suit them.

[Ray Stadia]

 

I suspect that what happens might be less than legal. There was a lot of talk about intimidation in the first court case and although it was never proved I can believe it happened.

 

 

What you say is fair (as usual) Vince. But what if you have to make noise at 3am ? Its arguable that they do need to.

 

And this still doesn't get away from the fact that these people moved in next door. As such they knew the stadium was there and, if they did not (which, knowing the area, I find truly incredible) then that is their responsibility and theirs alone.

 

I repeat: it is not for a locality to change to meet the needs of a newcomer. It is for the newcomer not to have moved in in the first place if it did not suit them.

Sure, but would you expect there to be noise from the stadium at 3 am? I wouldn't. I wouldn't even be making investigations whether there was noise at 3 am, I would assume the operators had common sense to wrap things up at around 11.00 pm.

[Halifaxtiger]

Sure, but would you expect there to be noise from the stadium at 3 am? I wouldn't. I wouldn't even be making investigations whether there was noise at 3 am, I would assume the operators had common sense to wrap things up at around 11.00 pm.

 

When I stayed over in a caravan in the stadium compound, the banger meeting finished about 10.30/11.00pm or so. You then have the bangers themselves being lifted onto trailers and wagons and being driven from the stadium, which probably took another 1-2 hours by the time everyone had left.

 

They then started work on the track because there was speedway the following day (that doesn't happen much now).

 

What I will say is that I woke up at 2am or so and heard the noise, then went back to sleep. Bearing in mind where I was, it wasn't loud enough to keep me awake.

[Ray Stadia]

 

When I stayed over in a caravan in the stadium compound, the banger meeting finished about 10.30/11.00pm or so. You then have the bangers themselves being lifted onto trailers and wagons and being driven from the stadium, which probably took another 1-2 hours by the time everyone had left.

 

They then started work on the track because there was speedway the following day (that doesn't happen much now).

 

What I will say is that I woke up at 2am or so and heard the noise, then went back to sleep. Bearing in mind where I was, it wasn't loud enough to keep me awake.

Sounds like it's the stocks/bangers are possibly the issue, but as Gustix has pointed out, Mr Coventry is a stocks/bangers man. Difficult one. I suppose that is why many stocks/banger meetings are run during the day at weekends.

[turtle]

Sure, but would you expect there to be noise from the stadium at 3 am? I wouldn't. I wouldn't even be making investigations whether there was noise at 3 am, I would assume the operators had common sense to wrap things up at around 11.00 pm.

well unfortuanately not everything in life can be wrapped up into nice little boxes and stocks/banger racing create a bit of carnage and also this has to be cleared along with getting wrecked cars onto trailers etc. also there can be delays due to accidents and damage to the track.as Halifax says and rightly so they should have known all this before moving or their agent so TOUGH LUCK. they've got balls enough to take it back to court and whinge and whine so perhaps the motorsport authority should grow a pair and tell them where to get off!

[Vince]

I have been around motorcycle sport for all of my 52 years and if I bought a house near to a track I would be genuinely shocked if they were still making noise at 3am. While I personally wouldn't care it would be reasonable expect the hours of midnight to 6am to be quiet I would have thought.

 

It would be like having a next door neighbour who worked shifts and played the drums, it would probably suit him to practice at 3am after finishing at 2 but in that instance I would care very much! We cant afford to fall into the trap of believing that allowances should be made because it's something we personally like. You have to ask yourself if the noise you hate most in the world would be acceptable to you for the hours and times you want to run. Hard as it is to believe for some people engine noise is a horrible din :-)

 

I detest nimbyism in all it's forms but the way to defeat it is to prove that what you are doing is reasonable to anybody with a normal attitude, you will only do that by making and being seen to make every effort to minimise nuisance.