Benefit Fund Bonanza, Leicester 09/03

[mrcts]

If thats what you read form my post I suggest you give up reading the BSF. Proof if every it was needed you cannot have a discussion with you. And to think people have a go at the moaners, at least they're consistent and logical.

Correct.......consistent moaners!

Most? Really? Have you been reading the Leicester thread throughout this winter?

yes,it's the same 3 or 4 people who do all the moaning all with agendas of their own.

They lost the civil war and will do anything to undermine Leicester Speedway!

[Kester]

Correct.......consistent moaners!

yes,it's the same 3 or 4 people who do all the moaning all with agendas of their own.

They lost the civil war and will do anything to undermine Leicester Speedway!

 

You might like to tell yourself that, but it's not true though is it. Many, many neutral fans have visited BP and commented on the poor racing there, they have no axe to grind, they just visited a track, paid their money, and saw a poor night of speedway.

[mrcts]

You might like to tell yourself that, but it's not true though is it. Many, many neutral fans have visited BP and commented on the poor racing there, they have no axe to grind, they just visited a track, paid their money, and saw a poor night of speedway.

What's not true,people with agendas or those that were defeated in the war to run Leicester Speedway?

I've never claimed the racing at BP is top draw but it is what it is and I for one enjoy going to support my team.

[Vulcan62]

Did anyone ask Alun Rossiter what the improvements were that he mentioned when interviewed before the start of the meeting?

 

Maybe someone of his experience might actually be taken notice of by the powers that be.

[New Science]

And some moan for moanings sake!

Yeh how dare people moan about watching poor speedway week after week,If people are watching a product they don't find acceptable they have every right to moan. Unfortunately there is a silent majority who don't moan who just stop going balanced out by the happy clappers like yourself who prefer to be in denial. Edited March 10, 2014 by New Science

[Gemini]

 

That the promoter kautaus to a small group who are detetmined to hold him to ransom.

 

Blimey what does that word mean? I can't find it in my dictionary but I like to learn new words for future use so I can come across as intelligent.

[cyclone]

 

Blimey what does that word mean? I can't find it in my dictionary but I like to learn new words for future use so I can come across as intelligent.

Phonetically it sounds like kowtow

Edited March 11, 2014 by cyclone

[robert72]

I fear Leicester will be another Newport, I hope I am wrong but sadly it looks that way.

[Kester]

What's not true,people with agendas or those that were defeated in the war to run Leicester Speedway?

I've never claimed the racing at BP is top draw but it is what it is and I for one enjoy going to support my team.

 

If those 3 or 4 people stopped posting Leicester threads would still have people moaning about the place because it offers up poor quality speedway - they wouldn't have agendas, they're just speedway fans. You might be perfectly happy watching speedway there every week, but don't be surprised if plenty aren't.

[Big Al]

I have other "sporting interests", developed over many years, and of course they all require outlay in terms of finance and time. If I'm not getting what I consider to be good value for that outlay on something, I've got to think about whether I want to continue with it.

I know there's more to things than what happens on the pitch/track when it comes to enjoying a sporting event, but for me anyway, it's a very important part.

When I went to Speedway (regularly, year in, year out) in 1970's and 1980's i kept going because the racing gave me a buzz, helped no end by a track designed to produce racing to suit all types of rider. There was nothing to top Ray Wilson barging his way through on the inside, or Cookie hanging off the bike defying gravity doing his wall of death round the outside.

So has speedway in general become more bland since then? Is my boredom at what i've seen so far over 3 years at Beaumont Park, part of a more general decline in entertainment - due a whole range of reasons? I think that's probably true, so when making "then and now" comparisons it's possibly unfair to heap all of the blame on the Leicester track. As an example of that, i've scrubbed my Sky Sports sub. because i thought the matches shown last season on Mondays were just plain boring, and i've other things I need to do with my time.

However, that having been said, I've given Beaumont Park benefit of doubt for three seasons, and will do so again this year, but only up to a point. In doing that, I've probably been far more fair and patient than a great many others who made their decisions a while ago. I really hope that my doubts will prove unfounded and that with EL level matches, the thrill returns. But if not I'll be gone for good. Too many other things to do, too little time.

[stevebrum]

Yeh how dare people moan about watching poor speedway week after week,If people are watching a product they don't find acceptable they have every right to moan. Unfortunately there is a silent majority who don't moan who just stop going balanced out by the happy clappers like yourself who prefer to be in denial.

Happy clappers?? I watch my Speedway at Monmore so i have every right to sing the praises of a great race track and prepared circuit.

Even at Monmore there are meetings that are lacking in passing or action. That is the way it goes.

It happens in ALL sports.

feel free to moan and whinge all you want, makes no different to me.

Feel free to moan and whinge all you like about the racing you watch. Feel free to moan and whinge if your local track closes down and you join the thousands left without a team to support.

However i would imagine you would moan and whinge about that too.

 

I am in no denial.Good Speedway on any track is the best sport to watch in the World. I never go expecting every single heat, match and race to be a classic.They cant be or wont be.

It is you that is in denial if you expect that level of `acceptability`.

 

Support or don't support, moan or whinge. It makes no difference to me. I am eternally grateful that a get to watch my Speedway at a track of my choosing and every week in the season.

 

No doubt you will continue to complain about yours.

Edited March 11, 2014 by stevebrum

[Halifaxtiger]

Happy clappers?? I watch my Speedway at Monmore so i have every right to sing the praises of a great race track and prepared circuit.

Even at Monmore there are meetings that are lacking in passing or action. That is the way it goes.

It happens in ALL sports.

feel free to moan and whinge all you want, makes no different to me.

Feel free to moan and whinge all you like about the racing you watch. Feel free to moan and whinge if your local track closes down and you join the thousands left without a team to support.

However i would imagine you would moan and whinge about that too.

 

I am in no denial.Good Speedway on any track is the best sport to watch in the World. I never go expecting every single heat, match and race to be a classic.They cant be or wont be.

It is you that is in denial if you expect that level of `acceptability`.

 

Support or don't support, moan or whinge. It makes no difference to me. I am eternally grateful that a get to watch my Speedway at a track of my choosing and every week in the season.

 

No doubt you will continue to complain about yours.

 

In my experience, there's no comparison between Monmore (be that Wolves or Dudley) and Beaumont Park in terms of the quality of racing that you see there.

 

I think that anyone who goes to speedway in anticipation of a fantastic meeting every week is fooling themselves. Even at the best tracks, I'd say more races than not are won from the gate.

 

The thing is though that (again in my experience) Leicester is consistently poor (although I should say I saw one very decent meeting there a couple of years ago) whereas Wolverhampton is not. You can go to Wolves or Dudley with the anticipation that you have every chance of seeing a good match, but you can't say the same about Beaumont Park. That's not just the opinion of one or two at Leicester with an axe to grind, it is (as Kester accurately says) the prevailing view of fans from across the country.

 

On a final note, to blame people for the closure of a track because the product is poor is to completely absolve the promoter of that track of the responsibility to put on a good show. The simple fact is if you want paying customers you do the best you can with the product and, if you don't, the blame for closure actually lies with the promotion, not the stay away fans.

Edited March 11, 2014 by Halifaxtiger

[bigcatdiary]

You might like to tell yourself that, but it's not true though is it. Many, many neutral fans have visited BP and commented on the poor racing there, they have no axe to grind, they just visited a track, paid their money, and saw a poor night of speedway.

I have been once, lovely stadium and viewing, car park could be bigger but bearing in mind it's a new stadium I was very impressed overall with the place.

 

The tracks another story, it's complete pants and pretty much ruins the whole show, judging by past comments and his staff turnover it's clear Hemsley has been told but just isn't listening.

 

It will be interesting to see what the top riders make of the place, should think the trappers will love it.

[40-38]

Correct.......consistent moaners!

yes,it's the same 3 or 4 people who do all the moaning all with agendas of their own.

They lost the civil war and will do anything to undermine Leicester Speedway!

 

I'm 29, I don't remember Blackbird Road and only found out about speedway in 2006. I was very early on supportive of the campaign to get speedway back to Leicester and met and got on very well with David Hemsley. I went to the challenge matches, residents meeting at Beaumont Leys church, etc, etc. But over the last three seasons I'v become so disillusioned by the terrible racing I've witnessed and the blase attitude of the promotion that I've fallen truly out of love with it, so much so I don't even bother reading the Speedway Star or this forum that often anymore as it pains me to think of how disappointed I've become. I've only ever been a supporter, I never got more involved as I never wanted the politics, just to enjoy my speedway. Out of the initial people who went with me there is only one who still goes, and I'm so embarrassed by it that I daren't bring any of my friends who are unconvinced, they'd never trust me again! I don't have allusions of grandeur, I've seen two god awful meetings at Coventry, an average one at Peterborough and four good ones at Wolverhampton(3) and Birmingham(1). I've been to Cardiff twice and besides that I had no other comparison. I went full of hope, and even despite becoming frustrated I'd be shouting even when they were so strung out, willing them on for a miracle. I've seen a few good races, I've seen some great performances too, mostly from visiting riders, but it comes to something when the best Lions performance I can remember is Magnus gating 5 times for an 18 point max! Would I go again? If it improves I might but after three years of never missing a home meeting, buying the badges, scarves, programmes, standing in the rain, the cold, the boiling sun, the long delays, you name it, I feel I've wasted enough money and time being increasingly bored and saying its better than nothing just doesn't cut it with me anymore. Do I come under your umbrella of a consistent moaner who lost the civil war?

[jim the whipper]

 

In my experience, there's no comparison between Monmore (be that Wolves or Dudley) and Beaumont Park in terms of the quality of racing that you see there.

 

I think that anyone who goes to speedway in anticipation of a fantastic meeting every week is fooling themselves. Even at the best tracks, I'd say more races than not are won from the gate.

 

The thing is though that (again in my experience) Leicester is consistently poor (although I should say I saw one very decent meeting there a couple of years ago) whereas Wolverhampton is not. You can go to Wolves or Dudley with the anticipation that you have every chance of seeing a good match, but you can't say the same about Beaumont Park. That's not just the opinion of one or two at Leicester with an axe to grind, it is (as Kester accurately says) the prevailing view of fans from across the country.

 

On a final note, to blame people for the closure of a track because the product is poor is to completely absolve the promoter of that track of the responsibility to put on a good show. The simple fact is if you want paying customers you do the best you can with the product and, if you don't, the blame for closure actually lies with the promotion, not the stay away fans.

Nicely put HT , It's not as if the problem with the shape of the track Is only in the imagination of one or two with an axe to grind , neither is the solution so expensive that the promotion cannot afford to deal with it , the main obstacle to decent racing at BP is the promoter himself , he has spent so long trying to convince everyone that the track he originally threw down while Sam Ermolenko had his back turned is as good as any other , and until someone can come up with a plan to put that mistake right people will complain and continue to vote with their feet , Most people with even a small knowledge of speedway can tell whats wrong with the track at BP , but until someone can come up with a plan which completely exonerates David Hemsley of any blame nothing is going to be done , Nero will continue to play the fiddle while Rome burns

[spin king junior]

I must admit, I think Leicester desperately needed to change their track with moving into the big league. I just don't understand why such a glaring issue keeps getting pushed aside? The surroundings are great, on speedway terms anyway. but the track really is the worst I've ever visited and just consistently creates bad racing that isn't worth showing up for. And until the promotion decides to sort it, then I can only see it getting worse. You'll still have the die hard's coming week in week out to support their team and can see past the ftg racing. But there's only so many that's going to pay their hard earned money to watch a poor standard of racing, which is something Leicester has become synonymous with.

 

 

Fact is, the sport need Leicester. With all credit due the promotion down there has drummed up a fantastic fan base down there with a good and loyal following. But over time it will get strained and there will be less of a loyal backing as the seasons go on. To keep it going, their first priority for next season must be to really sort out the track and give a real product to keep the current fan base there and attract new fans. Without it, the sport in Leicester will dwindle.

Edited March 11, 2014 by skj

[LionsDen]

 

I'm 29, I don't remember Blackbird Road and only found out about speedway in 2006. I was very early on supportive of the campaign to get speedway back to Leicester and met and got on very well with David Hemsley. I went to the challenge matches, residents meeting at Beaumont Leys church, etc, etc. But over the last three seasons I'v become so disillusioned by the terrible racing I've witnessed and the blase attitude of the promotion that I've fallen truly out of love with it, so much so I don't even bother reading the Speedway Star or this forum that often anymore as it pains me to think of how disappointed I've become. I've only ever been a supporter, I never got more involved as I never wanted the politics, just to enjoy my speedway. Out of the initial people who went with me there is only one who still goes, and I'm so embarrassed by it that I daren't bring any of my friends who are unconvinced, they'd never trust me again! I don't have allusions of grandeur, I've seen two god awful meetings at Coventry, an average one at Peterborough and four good ones at Wolverhampton(3) and Birmingham(1). I've been to Cardiff twice and besides that I had no other comparison. I went full of hope, and even despite becoming frustrated I'd be shouting even when they were so strung out, willing them on for a miracle. I've seen a few good races, I've seen some great performances too, mostly from visiting riders, but it comes to something when the best Lions performance I can remember is Magnus gating 5 times for an 18 point max! Would I go again? If it improves I might but after three years of never missing a home meeting, buying the badges, scarves, programmes, standing in the rain, the cold, the boiling sun, the long delays, you name it, I feel I've wasted enough money and time being increasingly bored and saying its better than nothing just doesn't cut it with me anymore. Do I come under your umbrella of a consistent moaner who lost the civil war?

Very well put 40-38. And sadly, whatever side of the 'pro' or 'con' fence you sit, this is at the core of the matter, and spoken from the heart by someone who obviously supported Leicester Speedway from the get-go. It's not moaning mate - it's telling it like you feel - and with no "agenda".

 

A hell of a lot of people have been to see speedway at BP since it opened, both local and from further afield, and they've no doubt all formed an opinion on what they've witnessed. They've either become fans, or as I suspect in the majority of cases, decided against coming back on a regular basis. That first season was always massively important in making an impression and ever since then it's been a case of trying to convince and persuade when the product should have done the talking for them. Speedway at it's best can and should be a great live spectacle - not something that causes heated arguments about whether it's worth it or not. The pro-people say "if you don't like it don't come". And indeed many have done precisely that. The unfortunate thing is there's a break-even point in any business model so the emphasis should be on making it a product people want to buy, not one they're invited to walk away from.

 

By the way, been reading this thread with interest, particularly as I didn't go on Sunday, but god only knows where this "civil war" nonsense comes from, other than in the fanciful delusions of mrcts. There never was any civil war about who runs Leicester. That's just silly. It's been DH's baby from the moment planning went in and as far as I'm aware, no-one else has ever wanted it as theirs. People have come and gone in terms of supporting him but there's never been any dispute or attempt to have any other name over the door. Really not sure what mrcts is going on about so perhaps he/she can enlighten us?

[jim the whipper]

I must admit, I think Leicester desperately needed to change their track with moving into the big league. I just don't understand why such a glaring issue keeps getting pushed aside? The surroundings are great, on speedway terms anyway. but the track really is the worst I've ever visited and just consistently creates bad racing that isn't worth showing up for. And until the promotion decides to sort it, then I can only see it getting worse. You'll still have the die hard's coming week in week out to support their team and can see past the ftg racing. But there's only so many that's going to pay their hard earned money to watch a poor standard of racing, which is something Leicester has become synonymous with.

 

 

Fact is, the sport need Leicester. With all credit due the promotion down there has drummed up a fantastic fan base down there with a good and loyal following. But over time it will get strained and there will be less of a loyal backing as the seasons go on. To keep it going, their first priority for next season must be to really sort out the track and give a real product to keep the current fan base there and attract new fans. Without it, the sport in Leicester will dwindle.

It has already dwindled from the initial 3,000 to 1.200 at best , changes of race night repetetive opposition and long gaps in fixtures will see further deterioration in crowd numbers during 2014

[A ORLOV]

Will be interesting seeing the track either on a visit or sky. If it is as bad as some say many away fans will not visit and the club will suffer. It is good that they have moved up to EL but they need to get the track right.

[Big Al]

I have been once, lovely stadium and viewing, car park could be bigger but bearing in mind it's a new stadium I was very impressed overall with the place.

 

The tracks another story, it's complete pants and pretty much ruins the whole show, judging by past comments and his staff turnover it's clear Hemsley has been told but just isn't listening.

 

It will be interesting to see what the top riders make of the place, should think the trappers will love it.

And it's not just the "gate, stay on the racing line, and you've more or less won" problem, either. Heats become very strung out, I'm sure its partly down to riders knowing it's a hopeless cause. Last year we had Kev Doolan absolutely busting a gut to gain an extra point here and there, but how many (even at EL level) would do the same?

I think the rider to keep an eye on, is Mads Korneliussen. You'll get a good indication of how things are from his performances. He tends to be a bit inconsistent (that's probably being kind !) from the gate, but puts it on the line to try and pass, and sometimes succeeds (and sometimes overcooks it). How often he succeeds will, i think, be a good indicator this season.