racers and royals Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 CAN you point me in the direction of where Emil actually said what you claim? Here http://www.speedwayeuro.com/news/n/170/bsi-are-not-interested-in-riders----health-.html Apparently it appeared first on Emil`s website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 The British Elite League should be 2 day's in the week tops and the Premier League another 2 day's. Leaving Saturdays for SEC, SGP and qualifiers. Poland Sunday's, Sweden Tuesday's, Denmark Wednesday's. This would allow more space for rearranged fixtures in the European League. Â All very well in a perfect world, but financial reality is quite another thing. I think I once worked out that all the BEL tracks (at the time) could run on either a Wednesday or Thursday, but they're rarely the days when you'll get the best crowds (with the odd exception). Forcing tracks out of business to suit the international calendar doesn't strike me as being very sensible either. Â Why should the prime race days be automatically given over to the SGP or SEC without them paying anything in 'compensation' for the privilege? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Â All very well in a perfect world, but financial reality is quite another thing. I think I once worked out that all the BEL tracks (at the time) could run on either a Wednesday or Thursday, but they're rarely the days when you'll get the best crowds (with the odd exception). Forcing tracks out of business to suit the international calendar doesn't strike me as being very sensible either. Â Why should the prime race days be automatically given over to the SGP or SEC without them paying anything in 'compensation' for the privilege? So are you says World Championship meeting's should be on a week day? That's ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014  So are you says World Championship meeting's should be on a week day? That's ridiculous  Why? World/European Championships in a number of other sports are on weekdays!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted February 19, 2014 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Here http://www.speedwayeuro.com/news/n/170/bsi-are-not-interested-in-riders----health-.html Apparently it appeared first on Emil`s website.  Sayfutdinov isn't the only SGP rider who complains how BSI are treating it's riders. And since this matter has been raised I can reveal another case.  When Tomasz Gollob after the pile-up in the Stockholm GP round found himself in the Swedish hospital none of the BSI people visited him and asked him how he feels . What's more , Tomasz himself had to settle the bill for the stay in the clinic.  As far as I know there is an unwritten agreement between the BSI and their riders of a general care in case of any unfortunate event. Tomasz’s gruesome looking accident certainly was such an event. But no one from the BSI bothered to visit him in the hospital , no one asked the Swedish doctors to care for him or any other assistance. No one even came and asked " how do you feel and if you need something ? " . There was one phone call to his manager, but nothing more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014  Sayfutdinov isn't the only SGP rider who complains how BSI are treating it's riders. And since this matter has been raised I can reveal another case.  When Tomasz Gollob after the pile-up in the Stockholm GP round found himself in the Swedish hospital none of the BSI people visited him and asked him how he feels . What's more , Tomasz himself had to settle the bill for the stay in the clinic.  As far as I know there is an unwritten agreement between the BSI and their riders of a general care in case of any unfortunate event. Tomasz’s gruesome looking accident certainly was such an event. But no one from the BSI bothered to visit him in the hospital , no one asked the Swedish doctors to care for him or any other assistance. No one even came and asked " how do you feel and if you need something ? " . There was one phone call to his manager, but nothing more. EVEN by your standards that is a ludicrous statement.  Riders are fully insured (it is a legal requirement) and BSI were in regular contact with Tomasz Gazinski (Gollob's manager) throughout his ordeal. I very much doubt that the Swedish doctors needed anyone to ask them to care for Gollob. Also, Gazinski was constantly enquiring whether Gollob would get a wild card place in the SGP having failed to secure a top eight place because of his crash in Stockholm.  With regards to Emil's statement: it actually came from his manager who as other recent events in Poland have proved is prone to taking it upon himself to make decisions that are not actually in the rider's best interests. Of course, it is up to Emil to resolve that but I think it is time the FIM had a face-to-face discussion with Sayfutdinov about the possible consequences of any withdrawal from the SGP after having signed a contract to compete.  I have stated countless times that I think the FIM are wrong to try and impose a ban on riders competing in both the SGP and the SEC having already allowed them to do so. I understand their objective that the Euros should in effect also be a feeder route to the World Championship but speedway isn't quite like other disciplines.  However, if FIM decisions, whether we like them or not, are to be adhered to then they presumably have some recourse to punish riders who do not. The question has been asked but they are refusing to publicly state what action they could or will take against any rider who, having signed a contract to ride in the SGP, subsequently pulls out for no reason other than to compete elsewhere. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedaler Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 CAN you point me in the direction of where Emil actually said what you claim?  Here you are, I've done some journalistic digging into the matter and come up with this...see what you make of it then. Probably just another non-story, not to be covered in case it upsets someone at the BSI Press Pass issuing office no doubt?.  http://www.sportowefakty.pl/zuzel/399917/sajfutdinow-porzuci-grand-prix-suskiewicz-bsi-traktuje-zawodnikow-jak-malpy-w-cy  "BSI treats riders (players) like monkeys in a circus" - according to Google's translation service. Allow something for the quality of translation but you get the drift.  So there you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 Â Â However, if FIM decisions, whether we like them or not, are to be adhered to then they presumably have some recourse to punish riders who do not. The question has been asked but they are refusing to publicly state what action they could or will take against any rider who, having signed a contract to ride in the SGP, subsequently pulls out for no reason other than to compete elsewhere. I would take issue with the "no reason other than to compete elsewhere"...Think that is a strange piece of spin on the actual situation.Think there are a number of reasons Emil might take issue with the contract.Firstly i guess because of what happened last season he will say when he signed, he did so in the belief he could also compete elsewhere like he did last season.I guess he would also be right in saying the situation has changed dramatically since he signed the contract and he could make a case that it is then invalid.You can't change circumstances after someone has signed a contract.All of this should have been sorted out before any rider was asked to sign a contract. Â The FIM need to get their house in order as they seem to stumble from one problem into another. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 EMIL actually denies saying anything like that ... so there you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 However, if FIM decisions, whether we like them or not, are to be adhered to then they presumably have some recourse to punish riders who do not. Â DOUBT even the FIM can act unilaterally change the conditions under which a contract was originally agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 On the 9th of August all the real fans meet in Holsted. On Tuesday the agreement for the organization of the third round of Speedway European Championships was signed. The event will take place on MOLDOW Arena.  We are proud that we can announce the place of the third round of Speedway European Championships. We are very happy because of the fact that we will cooperate with the club from Holsted. We are sure that people who work there will do their best and the event will be on a really high level. MOLDOW Arena looks really nice and we have guarantee of good cooperation and atmosphere, so we can only look forward to August tournament – said the chairman of One Sport Karol Lejman.  Home riders in Holsted are, for example, European champion Martin Vaculik and runnerup Nicki Pedersen. Dane does not hide that the event in Holsted will be exceptional for him – August tournament in Holsted will be one of the most important for me this season. Starting in front of my home fans makes me even more motivated. Holsted is my home track in Danish league and I am happy that I will have the possibility to start here, finally!  Thanks to the experience gained on this track, this season I can fight for the title of European Champion more effectively, because I don’t have it in my collection yet and it's one of the most important goals for me this year. People who work in the club are doing a good job in last years, so definitely SEC on MOLDOW Arena is something that we can proudly show to the world. I am excited that I will start in Speedway European Championships 2014 and I will not accept the fact that someone is trying to get my qualification out of me, that is sure. We should focus on sport and this is what I have learned over the years being professional speedway rider. Some people have to understand it – said Nicki Pedersen.  Live broadcast of Speedway European Championships to 71 countries - only on Eurosport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 this season I can fight for the title of European Champion more effectively So there's no ban after all... Excellent! Where can we get the official info thats stamped by FIM or FIM Europe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 So there's no ban after all... Excellent! Where can we get the official info thats stamped by FIM or FIM Europe? I also saw on the Holsted site that Nicki + NKI are "confirmed" for the One Sport Best Pairs,so........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Has there been any confirmation from the FIM of the ban? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 BIG feature in Speedway Star this week. FIM still insisting ban applies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 BIG feature in Speedway Star this week. FIM still insisting ban applies... Morally and legally I don't think the FIM have a leg to stand on....but time will tell. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Some people seem to be banging on about European Employment Law!! Â What about European Contract Law?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 Some people seem to be banging on about European Employment Law!! Â What about European Contract Law?? I was once told about the FIM and how it's based in Geneva, Switzerland. While the people running the copyroom might actually get a triple salary compared to similar jobs in Berlin or Rome, the fact is that Switzerland is an excellent location for the headquarters because of the Swiss legislation... Â They are not in the EU, so maybe they do have a slightly different set of rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I was once told about the FIM and how it's based in Geneva, Switzerland. While the people running the copyroom might actually get a triple salary compared to similar jobs in Berlin or Rome, the fact is that Switzerland is an excellent location for the headquarters because of the Swiss legislation... Â They are not in the EU, so maybe they do have a slightly different set of rules? I'd doubt it as there is no league in Switzerland.Most riders are being employed in the EU,so i'd guess any employment rules from the EU trump any from outside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 (edited) They are not in the EU, so maybe they do have a slightly different set of rules? Â Yes, but Switzerland has signed up to a lot of the EU legislation anyway. Â I'd guess it would also depend under what law the SGP contracts are signed. BSI is a UK company. Edited February 21, 2014 by Humphrey Appleby 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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