BluPanther Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 But as i said above, what about kids? You can't let a 10 year old go to speedway on their own so they need a carer, should that carer get in for nothing? No, it's up to the parent's if they go, they have a choice on how they spend their family leisure time, that's just parenthood. A disabled person that needs a registered carer does not have that choice, as they need assistance to do everyday things. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 No, it's up to the parent's if they go, they have a choice on how they spend their family leisure time, that's just parenthood. A disabled person that needs a registered carer does not have that choice, as they need assistance to do everyday things. Very well said blupanther. Anything that can be done to help Disabled folk get to Speedway if they wish should be done. "There but for the grace of God" springs to mind. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Spot on blupanther. SCB, how you can compare a disabled person with a child is beyond me. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Disabled folk who need a registered carer in order to attend any event, should never have to pay for that carer. Its simply the decent thing to do, and Football and Rugby both adopt that policy..Spot on. Id say there a confusion in some posts between someone with a disability and someone whose disability means they require a carer. Just because someone is disabled doesnt mean he should get a mate in for free but when it a genuine requirement there should be no question. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hydrobob Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 I'd stopped reading this forum except for the ice racing news but read this thread because I have a disabled wife and I am her carer. Two points I like to make are I can't afford to go to speedway often on a carer's allowance after paying NI for 43 years and I wouldn't expect to get in free when I do go. Second point is the posts by SCB and The Pedaler are the reason why I won't be bothering to check the ice racing on BSF in future. I'd estimate that there are about 10 decent folks that post on here and the rest of you are <Removed by mod. Just as well you are deciding not to post as it saves us banning you for that outpouring of personal abuse>. Thankfully when my youngest has finished college we're selling up and moving out of this nasty, corrupt and ignorant island. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 I'd stopped reading this forum except for the ice racing news but read this thread because I have a disabled wife and I am her carer. Two points I like to make are I can't afford to go to speedway often on a carer's allowance after paying NI for 43 years and I wouldn't expect to get in free when I do go. Second point is the posts by SCB and The Pedaler are the reason why I won't be bothering to check the ice racing on BSF in future. I'd estimate that there are about 10 decent folks that post on here and the rest of you are <Removed by mod. Just as well you are deciding not to post as it saves us banning you for that outpouring of personal abuse>. Thankfully when my youngest has finished college we're selling up and moving out of this nasty, corrupt and ignorant island. I am genuinely sorry you feel that way hydrobob. :sad: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldace Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 I am genuinely sorry you feel that way hydrobob. :sad: Why are you sorry. <personal abuse removed - rules are same for ALL> This country will Be a better place when he leaves 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedaler Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 (edited) The one thing that most disabled people that I know share, is an ambition or a desire to be treated equally as "normal" people. They don't want pity or sympathy, just dignity and respect for them as human beings as much as anyone else gets. I think that all this "compassion wars" where everyone on here tries to impress everyone else by how charitable they are (with other people's money) and how outraged they can be by others not sharing their so-called values, shows no respect whatsoever to the people who they are debating about and is nothing more than an ego trip to try to impress others on here of what "nice" people they are. Well if you are so nice, then maybe instead of pontificating about what is a decent thing to do or not, in an effort to shame your promoter into discounting their prices for the disabled, why don't you stand outside the turnstiles of your track and pay these people in out of your own money? That'll be real charity. And don't worry, I think you'll find that most disabled people will decline your offers as they will have more dignity and self-respect for themselves than the respect that you are showing them. So you won't be too far out of pocket! Edited February 8, 2014 by The Pedaler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 The one thing that most disabled people that I know share, is an ambition or a desire to be treated equally as "normal" people. They don't want pity or sympathy, just dignity and respect for them as human beings as much as anyone else gets. I think that all this "compassion wars" where everyone on here tries to impress everyone else by how charitable they are (with other people's money) and how outraged they can be by others not sharing their so-called values, shows no respect whatsoever to the people who they are debating about and is nothing more than an ego trip to try to impress others on here of what "nice" people they are. Well if you are so nice, then maybe instead of pontificating about what is a decent thing to do or not, in an effort to shame your promoter into discounting their prices for the disabled, why don't you stand outside the turnstiles of your track and pay these people in out of your own money? That'll be real charity. And don't worry, I think you'll find that most disabled people will decline your offers as they will have more dignity and self-respect for themselves than the respect that you are showing them. So you won't be too far out of pocket! you haven't a clue what your talking about and are stereo typing all disabled people in to you're own pathetic brand!! I work with several people who rely on volunteers to take them out in the community, attend appointments and fullfill daily tasks, ....people who couldn't communicate half of the waffle you spout in your post.... If we are being sterotyped then you're ill informed, Typical of society today.... No one is asking for pity or sympathy!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 you haven't a clue what your talking about and are stereo typing all disabled people in to you're own pathetic brand!! I work with several people who rely on volunteers to take them out in the community, attend appointments and fullfill daily tasks, ....people who couldn't communicate half of the waffle you spout in your post.... If we are being sterotyped then you're ill informed. Typical of society today.... No one is asking for pity or sympathy!! Absolutely SPOT ON Arson. :approve: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 The one thing that most disabled people that I know share, is an ambition or a desire to be treated equally as "normal" people. They don't want pity or sympathy, just dignity and respect for them as human beings as much as anyone else gets. I think that all this "compassion wars" where everyone on here tries to impress everyone else by how charitable they are (with other people's money) and how outraged they can be by others not sharing their so-called values, shows no respect whatsoever to the people who they are debating about and is nothing more than an ego trip to try to impress others on here of what "nice" people they are. Well if you are so nice, then maybe instead of pontificating about what is a decent thing to do or not, in an effort to shame your promoter into discounting their prices for the disabled, why don't you stand outside the turnstiles of your track and pay these people in out of your own money? That'll be real charity. And don't worry, I think you'll find that most disabled people will decline your offers as they will have more dignity and self-respect for themselves than the respect that you are showing them. So you won't be too far out of pocket! You're not related to Tsunami are you? He's keen on fans funding their own opinions. Just remember that in every able bodied person there is a disabled person waiting to get out. Pray God it doesn't happen to you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Can I as a carer put forward my point of view, and it is a personal one I don't speak on behalf of anyone else. I've visited the vast majority of tracks around the country in my time. No two are the same regarding facilities for the disabled and few if any advertise any concessions for either the disabled person and/or the carer. Polite enquiries via email or here on BSF usually provide the information tho. Until a track can provide the same experience for the disabled fan as it can for the able bodied, it is right IMHO for some concession to be made. Whether that be free admission for a carer or discount for the disabled fan and/or the carer is up to the promoter. Sadly this concession will be abused by some, as in all things in life, and it means that some promoters may well be suspicious of providing concessions. That I can completely understand, especially if they are only landlords and therefore have little or no say over and facilities that are provided. I'm probably going to be jumped on here but I would guess that very few disabled fans take carers who have no interest in the sport. The majority of carers will have at least a passing interest. So is it right they get concessions? In my view yes BUT I don't think it's necessarily the case that they should always get free admission. It depends on how much the carer has to do to ensure the disabled person can access facilites and that varies enormously from track to track. If it's simply a matter of being there for support or to push a wheelchair along flat access/ramps etc, that doesn't entail as much as negotiating steps/ narrow doors/grass banks and 1 in 3 hills, so maybe reduced admission rather than free would be fair. I have been to quite a few meetings around the country as a carer that I would not have gone to had I had to pay full admission, so those promoters gained the admission of the person I was escorting, who could not have attended alone. On the other hand I've also had free admission to meetings I would have gone to anyway, so it's really swings and roundabouts. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Can I as a carer put forward my point of view, and it is a personal one I don't speak on behalf of anyone else. I've visited the vast majority of tracks around the country in my time. No two are the same regarding facilities for the disabled and few if any advertise any concessions for either the disabled person and/or the carer. Polite enquiries via email or here on BSF usually provide the information tho. Until a track can provide the same experience for the disabled fan as it can for the able bodied, it is right IMHO for some concession to be made. Whether that be free admission for a carer or discount for the disabled fan and/or the carer is up to the promoter. Sadly this concession will be abused by some, as in all things in life, and it means that some promoters may well be suspicious of providing concessions. That I can completely understand, especially if they are only landlords and therefore have little or no say over and facilities that are provided. I'm probably going to be jumped on here but I would guess that very few disabled fans take carers who have no interest in the sport. The majority of carers will have at least a passing interest. So is it right they get concessions? In my view yes BUT I don't think it's necessarily the case that they should always get free admission. It depends on how much the carer has to do to ensure the disabled person can access facilites and that varies enormously from track to track. If it's simply a matter of being there for support or to push a wheelchair along flat access/ramps etc, that doesn't entail as much as negotiating steps/ narrow doors/grass banks and 1 in 3 hills, so maybe reduced admission rather than free would be fair. I have been to quite a few meetings around the country as a carer that I would not have gone to had I had to pay full admission, so those promoters gained the admission of the person I was escorting, who could not have attended alone. On the other hand I've also had free admission to meetings I would have gone to anyway, so it's really swings and roundabouts. good post, but from experience carers support people to places because the disabled person needs support, ive many volunteers who go many places that they have absolutely no interest in, they do it to enable others to meet their wishes, beliefs, religion and hobbys... Not for personal gain, yes there are a few things in common between carers and clients but mostly not. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 good post, but from experience carers support people to places because the disabled person needs support, ive many volunteers who go many places that they have absolutely no interest in, they do it to enable others to meet their wishes, beliefs, religion and hobbys... Not for personal gain, yes there are a few things in common between carers and clients but mostly not. I can only go from my own experience and I would hazard a guess that the majority of carers I see at speedway tracks are family/friends etc. Are we talking about volunteer carers or paid carers? If volunteers, yes they should get free admission in those cases where they have no interest in the sport. If however we are talking about paid carers, well they are being paid aren't they so shouldn't matter whether they are at a speedway meeting or a tea party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I can only go from my own experience and I would hazard a guess that the majority of carers I see at speedway tracks are family/friends etc. Are we talking about volunteer carers or paid carers? If volunteers, yes they should get free admission in those cases where they have no interest in the sport. If however we are talking about paid carers, well they are being paid aren't they so shouldn't matter whether they are at a speedway meeting or a tea party. i use a range of volunteers, befrienders, advocates and paid carers.... Even so the paid carers wouldn't be paying out of their own pocket, the client would have to pay for themselves and for the carer.... The carers ( paid) will go wherever and whenever that goes without saying....but they shouldn't be expected to pay to support a person to wherever and that's my point really.... The cost to the disabled person needing a carer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) Can I as a carer put forward my point of view, and it is a personal one I don't speak on behalf of anyone else. I've visited the vast majority of tracks around the country in my time. No two are the same regarding facilities for the disabled and few if any advertise any concessions for either the disabled person and/or the carer. Polite enquiries via email or here on BSF usually provide the information tho. Until a track can provide the same experience for the disabled fan as it can for the able bodied, it is right IMHO for some concession to be made. Whether that be free admission for a carer or discount for the disabled fan and/or the carer is up to the promoter. Sadly this concession will be abused by some, as in all things in life, and it means that some promoters may well be suspicious of providing concessions. That I can completely understand, especially if they are only landlords and therefore have little or no say over and facilities that are provided. I'm probably going to be jumped on here but I would guess that very few disabled fans take carers who have no interest in the sport. The majority of carers will have at least a passing interest. So is it right they get concessions? In my view yes BUT I don't think it's necessarily the case that they should always get free admission. It depends on how much the carer has to do to ensure the disabled person can access facilites and that varies enormously from track to track. If it's simply a matter of being there for support or to push a wheelchair along flat access/ramps etc, that doesn't entail as much as negotiating steps/ narrow doors/grass banks and 1 in 3 hills, so maybe reduced admission rather than free would be fair. I have been to quite a few meetings around the country as a carer that I would not have gone to had I had to pay full admission, so those promoters gained the admission of the person I was escorting, who could not have attended alone. On the other hand I've also had free admission to meetings I would have gone to anyway, so it's really swings and roundabouts. So is Star Lady going to be called names for saying careers should not get free entry? FWIW, I think shes spot on, some discount maybe but free? As for the person who asked am I really comparing a disabled person to a child, then yes. I'll throw a question back at the same person, do you think it's a good idea to let kids go off to speedway on their own? Because I don't. What if it's a child thats disabled? Does being a child trump being disabled or vice-versa? Free entry for having a disabled kid or have to pay as you're a parent and "that's just parenthood"? Edited February 9, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucks Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 So is Star Lady going to be called names for saying careers should not get free entry? FWIW, I think shes spot on, some discount maybe but free? As for the person who asked am I really comparing a disabled person to a child, then yes. I'll throw a question back at the same person, do you think it's a good idea to let kids go off to speedway on their own? Because I don't. What if it's a child thats disabled? Does being a child trump being disabled or vice-versa? Free entry for having a disabled kid or have to pay as you're a parent and "that's just parenthood"? google,posabilty.magazine. scroll down to the third item regarding the barbican theatre york. this is a fresh case only 3 days ago. look forward to any comment,s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 google,posabilty.magazine. scroll down to the third item regarding the barbican theatre york. this is a fresh case only 3 days ago. look forward to any comment,s http://posabilitymagazine.co.uk/2014/02/06/theatre-admits-discriminatory-pricing-policy-towards-disabled-theatre-goers/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chucks Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 http://posabilitymagazine.co.uk/2014/02/06/theatre-admits-discriminatory-pricing-policy-towards-disabled-theatre-goers/ thanks arson http://posabilitymagazine.co.uk/2014/02/06/theatre-admits-discriminatory-pricing-policy-towards-disabled-theatre-goers/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John44 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 (edited) Can I ask which track that was? I'm sure we (King's Lynn) allow free entry to registered carer's When visiting Kings Lynn I paid concession rate as did the carer which is more than generous. The track with the free carer don't advertise it for fear it being abused. Just tried to PM you Screamer but you cant receive any more! Edited February 9, 2014 by John44 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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