Alan_Jones Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 You seem to think that anyone who thinks anything different from you is a BSI sympathiser - need to loose a chip or two there. How did you make that leap? Definitely no chips here, and no problem with other people's opinions as long as I'm allowed to give mine. I think it's probably the first time I've ever commented on a "BSI situation" because I'm not greatly bothered about the GP's. I am interested in rules & regulations and the strict adherence to them though. I think a dig at BSI was in order though in view of their mishandling of the cancellation & relocation this weekend. Sorry if you wanted an argument though, because I'm just joining in a discussion. Look on it like a case going to court - you wouldnt expect the judge to tell you before the evidence is heard what the verdict will be. Any regulatory body should go through the correct procedures and whether it fits other peoples agenda's or not, that includes not washing the dirty linen in public before its been taken to the laundry It isn't a case going to court though, it's a motor sport rule infringement with procedures & remedies enshrined in the regulations. It is a fact that Ward was disqualified & fined for failing a random breath test and it's quite proper for him to be suspended pending the full CMI hearing if the FIM see fit. It was to clarify the latter situation that I went to the SGP site and was surprised that there wasn't even a reason given for the DQ. I guess I'm spoilt by the open way that this sort of thing is dealt with in other motor sports, especially F1, where there's a constant update of information on incidents being investigated by the stewards being relayed to viewers. I didn't hear any mention of the disqualification on the world feed either, just that Puodzuks was replacing Ward, although they may have mentioned it while EuroSport were back in the studio. FWIW, the FIM site doesn't have any more information either. We know the dirty linen has gone through the pre-wash but it would be nice to know what cycle we're using so that we can be ready to hang Ward out to dry at the appropriate time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 How did you make that leap? Definitely no chips here, and no problem with other people's opinions as long as I'm allowed to give mine. I think it's probably the first time I've ever commented on a "BSI situation" because I'm not greatly bothered about the GP's. I am interested in rules & regulations and the strict adherence to them though. I think a dig at BSI was in order though in view of their mishandling of the cancellation & relocation this weekend. Sorry if you wanted an argument though, because I'm just joining in a discussion. It isn't a case going to court though, it's a motor sport rule infringement with procedures & remedies enshrined in the regulations. It is a fact that Ward was disqualified & fined for failing a random breath test and it's quite proper for him to be suspended pending the full CMI hearing if the FIM see fit. It was to clarify the latter situation that I went to the SGP site and was surprised that there wasn't even a reason given for the DQ. I guess I'm spoilt by the open way that this sort of thing is dealt with in other motor sports, especially F1, where there's a constant update of information on incidents being investigated by the stewards being relayed to viewers. I didn't hear any mention of the disqualification on the world feed either, just that Puodzuks was replacing Ward, although they may have mentioned it while EuroSport were back in the studio. FWIW, the FIM site doesn't have any more information either. We know the dirty linen has gone through the pre-wash but it would be nice to know what cycle we're using so that we can be ready to hang Ward out to dry at the appropriate time. Sorry to disappoint you but Im not the argumentative type. I make a comment and you quote it and then make the comment about some people thinking everything is okay in BSI world in a sarcastic manner - you can hardly blame me for making, as you call it, 'that leap'! We will just have to agree to disagree on when the dirty linen should come out. Personally I think for one of the official organisations to come out with anything prior to CONCLUSIVE FINAL findings would be completely wrong and unprofessional and cause even more damage. The professional thing to do would be to comment once the hearing has been held imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 BSI in the shape of Chris Louis did conduct an interview with Darcy Ward during the interval on Sunday but by the sounds of it Eurosport didn't use it... but do agree, I cannot see why there is no mention of his disqualification and the reason for it on the SGP website. BSI in the shape of Chris Louis did conduct an interview with Darcy Ward during the interval on Sunday but by the sounds of it Eurosport didn't use it... but do agree, I cannot see why there is no mention of his disqualification and the reason for it on the SGP website. And just to clarify, he hasn't been suspended as of now and still holds his licence so can continue to ride until the FIM Medical Commission reach a verdict, which presumably will be sooner rather than later (as in before Gorzow)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 BSI in the shape of Chris Louis did conduct an interview with Darcy Ward during the interval on Sunday but by the sounds of it Eurosport didn't use it... but do agree, I cannot see why there is no mention of his disqualification and the reason for it on the SGP website. They did show it, the only thing he was sorry for was not drinking more water on the morning of the meeting. He's his own worst enemy, caught and still making excuses and telling us how hell cover it up next time! Not that he'll drink less next time. He's honest I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 but do agree, I cannot see why there is no mention of his disqualification and the reason for it on the SGP website. And just to clarify, he hasn't been suspended as of now and still holds his licence so can continue to ride until the FIM Medical Commission reach a verdict, which presumably will be sooner rather than later (as in before Gorzow)... Thanks for that info which doesn't appear anywhere on the FIM site either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 doesn't Poole fan and jounalist Paul Burbidge do the SGP website ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 doesn't Poole fan and jounalist Paul Burbidge do the SGP website ? Are you suggesting a conspiracy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 doesn't Poole fan and jounalist Paul Burbidge do the SGP website ? Thats interesting. Speedway gp site did cover the Dudek drugs test a week ago, but no mention of Ward alcohol test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5 FURROW Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 BSI in the shape of Chris Louis did conduct an interview with Darcy Ward during the interval on Sunday but by the sounds of it Eurosport didn't use it... but do agree, I cannot see why there is no mention of his disqualification and the reason for it on the SGP website. And just to clarify, he hasn't been suspended as of now and still holds his licence so can continue to ride until the FIM Medical Commission reach a verdict, which presumably will be sooner rather than later (as in before Gorzow)... Has the SGP reporter been gagged over this one cos it's not good press for the SGP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 doesn't Poole fan and jounalist Paul Burbidge do the SGP website ? in fairness doing an official website usually means you are only allowed to put on what you are officially told to. Basically almost a glorified typist with IT skills really. SO its not really fair to blame an official webmaster for whats on site - blame who tells him/her to put it there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 in fairness doing an official website usually means you are only allowed to put on what you are officially told to. Basically almost a glorified typist with IT skills really. SO its not really fair to blame an official webmaster for whats on site - blame who tells him/her to put it there Have a look at the news articles on the site and and tell us theres not a Poole bias Couldn't wait to tell us Poole had won the EL last year either! Anything positive about Poole is on their pronto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 All I am saying is that its normal that the official line is what a websmaster on an official site has to put on - perhaps you should be looking to who told him to put it on for the bias Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 All I am saying is that its normal that the official line is what a websmaster on an official site has to put on - perhaps you should be looking to who told him to put it on for the bias Surely as chief editor he is the one in charge and picks what goes on there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) Full GP video here (Polish) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4azy7C7IF-g&list=UUWMqEj3-1TXYlaGQppBGtbg Edited August 19, 2014 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lioness Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Surely as chief editor he is the one in charge and picks what goes on there? My understanding is the 'customer' always has the final say and that the webmaster has to abide by what he is told to put on for an official site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Are you suggesting a conspiracy? certainly not. Just pure coincedence.but a full report will surely follow after his hearing. I feel sad for Darcy Ward as he is a great talent. Hope he can channel it properly in future seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oleoleole Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 Do we get a prize! As feared we have now "achieved" the hat-trick of going to the three cancelled GP's. All as a consequence of poor track preparation, not as a direct result of the weather. When will they learn? Cardiff last year was a very close call and Tampere was barely fit for purpose. You can see that there was a dramatic improvement in the stadium in Riga but why is the most important bit, the track, left to chance? We travelled hoping for the best, we weren't encouraged by the total lack of posters or adverts anywhere in the city, was it really going to happen? Well obviously not and of course everybody passes the buck and the beleaguered fans are left to make other arrangements or give up. Very disappointed with the support offered by SGP/BSI (whoever) for the fans who make a big effort to support these events. Would coaches have been too much to ask for? Or even show details of how to get to Daugavpils to help those fans who wanted to go. An Edinburgh fan in our hotel said he spent all Saturday afternoon on his lap top trying to sort out the best way to get there! Not sure I've even seen an apology on their website. I'd also suggest that just offering your ticket money back (once you've jumped through hoops) is not really adequate compensation, surely they could have tried a bit harder. All in all yet another bad experience and one that proved to be the final straw. We are already commited to Stockholm but that will be our final GP. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 I agree to the above post and when I visited Saturday morning the Stadium had clearly been improved. The track preparation was a shambles but pretty much down to a failure to clear blocked drains earlier in the week. BSI were clearly trying to deflect blame onto the local promoter but in my view it was largely BSI's fault as they failed to properly oversee matters. It would seem BSI were also hoping they could blame the weather on Friday and Saturday. Well I was there both days and on Saturday they were watering the track in the morning. There is no way a few cloud bursts on Friday or Saturday should have had any impact at all. It doesn't at Malilla or Vojens and other GP circuits. I suspect BSI were really hoping Saturday's weather would be so atrocious they could then hide behind that as a reason for a call off. Well they came unstuck! I wonder when they decided to actually call the meeting off as it was certainly 'off'' well before it was officially announced. It would have been better to have known on Friday thus affording those in Riga more time to make plans to go to Daugavpils. Also it would have prevented many from needlessly flying out on Saturday morning. No thought at all given to the fans. As oleoleole says surely it would not have been too difficult to give some help or guidance to those fans in Riga in terms of laying on a few coaches or even just providing some information on the possible alternative ways of making the trip. I was fortunate enough to be able to sort out a way of getting to Daugavpils but speaking to many in Riga and at the airport on Monday it was clear a large number didn't even entertain attempting the journey. Finally, to make matters worse the Darcy Ward situation then deflects much of the heat from BSI and overshadows their incompetence. Now awaits post(s) in defence of BSI 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 ONLY a part of the track, on the outside and well away from bends one and two, was being watered on Saturday morning and at that stage no decision had been taken either about practice or the meeting going ahead. It was the decision of the FIM Jury, including the referee and Race Director, along with BSI and the local promoter around noon on Saturday that no amount of remedial work could salvage the track, particularly in view of the impending rain which duly arrived (photo in Speedway Star this week). There was a delay of around 60 minutes before making an official announcement while it was determined whether the TV trucks could get to Daugavpils and accommodation could be found before rubber-stamping the move. The choice was between a total cancellation or moving the event to Daugavpils. Not satisfactory for many, of course, but the idea that BSI could lay on transportation, not knowing how many fans (not just British of course) there were and where they were, is a simply not practical. But as far as the promoters, BSI and the FIM were concerned it was the lesser of two evils. Please don't think I am not sympathetic to all those who lost out in every sense last weekend because I am. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pantherman Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 We was in Riga, and as paying fans we were treated with contempt by everyone concerned with organising the GP. No information how to get to Daugavpils, not a thought of any additional cost after already paying for flights, hotels etc. It was ok for all those that go for free and have everything organised for them, but for the fans it was another kick in teeth. It was also the last straw for us as well, I'm not adding any more money to the coffers of BSi, no more GP's for us, next year will be beach holidays only! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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