Humphrey Appleby Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) The actual terms of the new Sky deal (how much they are paying) is a matter for the BSPA and SKY and unless either is prepared to reveal the sums involved (which they are not) that's how it will stay. Oh please! Of course it's in the interests of the paying public to know how much or little Sky are paying, even out of curiosity. If I pick up a World Soccer it's full of information on much this deal or that deal is worth, not to mention how much all the various characters are taking for their cut. It'll all leak out eventually anyway, because promoters can't resist telling someone. And the reticence to tell anyone officially would suggest the deal isn't that wonderful... Edited February 2, 2014 by Humphrey Appleby 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ballinger Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 They could have gone for a week later, might even have been able to tie in with GP riders assembling in London on the 30th to fly to New Zealand. March 28th a difficult date given its the day of the SEC pairs in Torun. Granted not many involved but it would place maybe Ward and Iversen in a difficult position Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Oh please! Of course it's in the interests of the paying public to know how much or little Sky are paying, even out of curiosity. If I pick up a World Soccer it's full of information on much this deal or that deal is worth, not to mention how much all the various characters are taking for their cut. It'll all leak out eventually anyway, because promoters can't resist telling someone. And the reticence to tell anyone officially would suggest the deal isn't that wonderful... WHETHER or not it is in the public's interest to know how much Sky are paying is debatable but if neither party are prepared to divulge the information that is their prerogative whether we like it or not. March 28th a difficult date given its the day of the SEC pairs in Torun. Granted not many involved but it would place maybe Ward and Iversen in a difficult position STILL the better option and would not have wrecked Havvy's night... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedaler Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 So, no interviews with the riders torn between the two potential bookings then? No interviews with Havvy over how he feels about being shafted? No interviews with the guy who cocked up the fixtures then? Could it have been the same guy who programmed in a Lakeside fixture on the Friday before an FIM event on a Saturday, only to discover when all the arrangements had been made that three of his own Lakeside team were needed in the FIM event, including the Friday practise/training day? Let's just sweep everything under the carpet shall we and carry on as if nothing has happened? Isn't it in everyone's interests to investigate why these so called cock-ups occur in order to expose the truth so that things might be able to improve. Can't you see that SS could be a catalyst for improvement that would be in everyone's best interests? Instead all we get are excuses for why every issue that raises eye-brows amongst the fans is a "non-story". No doubt the BSPA will be relieved that they won't be having any awkward questions to answer, and will feel that it doesn't matter if they don't take the care needed to avoid similar cock ups again in the future, because their favourite speedway magazine won't be bothered next time either. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xmas Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Very well put and very correct So, no interviews with the riders torn between the two potential bookings then? No interviews with Havvy over how he feels about being shafted? No interviews with the guy who cocked up the fixtures then? Could it have been the same guy who programmed in a Lakeside fixture on the Friday before an FIM event on a Saturday, only to discover when all the arrangements had been made that three of his own Lakeside team were needed in the FIM event, including the Friday practise/training day? Let's just sweep everything under the carpet shall we and carry on as if nothing has happened? Isn't it in everyone's interests to investigate why these so called cock-ups occur in order to expose the truth so that things might be able to improve. Can't you see that SS could be a catalyst for improvement that would be in everyone's best interests? Instead all we get are excuses for why every issue that raises eye-brows amongst the fans is a "non-story". No doubt the BSPA will be relieved that they won't be having any awkward questions to answer, and will feel that it doesn't matter if they don't take the care needed to avoid similar cock ups again in the future, because their favourite speedway magazine won't be bothered next time either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 I'm sure I posted this somewhere, but in case I'm dreaming or going a bit ga-ga (which is entirely possible!?) Sky's new deal with Super League Rugby - one of those announced alongside Speedway - is reported to be in excess of £127million (that's the figure that the previous deal was worth!), as reported in some of the national sports and financial pages in the past few days!! The top man at Super League was quoted as saying 'the money would be the saviour of all the clubs'!! So presumably the figures for Speedway are available if the necessary research was carried out?! OR perhaps its such an insignificant sum compared to Rugby League that its not worth reporting?! Still be worth knowing at some point though.....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 As a listed company dont Sky have a regulatory obligation to offer transparent financial information re income/expenditure for investers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DEAN MACHINE Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) Dosent matter how much the sky deal is worth there are people within our cash strapped sport who are not feeling the pinch like the rest of the country is and this has been the case for years. To many hoovers and not enough radiators in our sport Edited February 2, 2014 by THE DEAN MACHINE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 if neither party are prepared to divulge the information that is their prerogative whether we like it or not. Always possible to find out regardless of whether they're willing to divulge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyke Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Always possible to find out regardless of whether they're willing to divulge. Isn't that investigative journalism ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchesterpaul Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) THINK you will find UK speedway appearing on various days of the week rather than essentially Mondays during the up-coming season... their summer schedule is quite light. Got to admit i'm stuggling a little with the likelihood raised recently on these forums that BT Sport may be purchasing the rights to Swedish Speedway, however if they or anyone else decides to show the Elitserien will those responsible for Sky speedway broadcasts be aware that Tuesday would not be a good day to move around a Sky meeting to? Unless it's a Premier League one of course. EDIT: Just remembered the Swedish matches start at around 6pm UK time and they only overlapped a little on to the Sky meetings when the latter were staged on Tuesdays. I'm sure I posted this somewhere, but in case I'm dreaming or going a bit ga-ga (which is entirely possible!?) Sky's new deal with Super League Rugby - one of those announced alongside Speedway - is reported to be in excess of £127million (that's the figure that the previous deal was worth!), as reported in some of the national sports and financial pages in the past few days!! The top man at Super League was quoted as saying 'the money would be the saviour of all the clubs'!! Does anyone know even a ball park estimate as to how much the Sky speedway deal would need to be worth in order for 'the money would be the saviour of all the clubs'!! Edited February 2, 2014 by manchesterpaul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Does anyone know even a ball park estimate as to how much the Sky speedway deal would need to be worth in order for 'the money would be the saviour of all the clubs'!! Well probably at least a million (net) per year to cover operating losses of the BEL tracks, but probably 1.5-2 million per year if you wanted to invest in the grassroots. Would be more than the previous deal. Let's just sweep everything under the carpet shall we and carry on as if nothing has happened? Those tractor production figures are looking impressive though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 (edited) Why does it matter so much about the value of the deal? Surely it's a private matter between the parties involved? Fans are just that, fans. Legally there is no obligation for them to be made aware, though some will argue morally there is. How would posters react if they were asked to post here their weekly earnings, house value bank balance, etc. When I'm watching an exciting speedway race on TV, the last thought I have is how much money was involved. Frankly, it's no one else's business. Edited February 2, 2014 by george.m 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Legally there is no obligation for them to be made aware, though some will argue morally there is. How would posters react if they were asked to post here their weekly earnings, house value bank balance, etc. Of course there's no legal obligation, but I do think it comes to certain sectors like sport, it's in the public interest to know what is and isn't being paid and who's taking a cut. Digging into FIFA by investigative journalists uncovered a litany of bribes paid to officials and millions embezzled at the cost of the grassroots of the sport, which ultimately led to prosecutions. Then there were all the bungs paid to managers and agents. I certainly wouldn't suggest anything like that is going on in speedway (not least because there's nothing like that sort of money floating around), but why shouldn't the public be told where all the money goes in the sport? Some people may not be interested, but that's up to them. It's not the same thing as asking someone about their earnings or the value of their house (although you can find out much of this information anyway). We're talking about companies here, most of whom ultimately have to produce public accounts anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Of course there's no legal obligation, but I do think it comes to certain sectors like sport, it's in the public interest to know what is and isn't being paid and who's taking a cut. Digging into FIFA by investigative journalists uncovered a litany of bribes paid to officials and millions embezzled at the cost of the grassroots of the sport, which ultimately led to prosecutions. Then there were all the bungs paid to managers and agents. I certainly wouldn't suggest anything like that is going on in speedway (not least because there's nothing like that sort of money floating around), but why shouldn't the public be told where all the money goes in the sport? Some people may not be interested, but that's up to them. It's not the same thing as asking someone about their earnings or the value of their house (although you can find out much of this information anyway). We're talking about companies here, most of whom ultimately have to produce public accounts anyway. So what exactly is your reason for wanting to know then as it's not clear? Let's be specific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 So what exactly is your reason for wanting to know then as it's not clear? Let's be specific. Perhaps, like me, Humphrey is just curious as a PAYING Customer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Well probably at least a million (net) per year to cover operating losses of the BEL tracks, but probably 1.5-2 million per year if you wanted to invest in the grassroots. Would be more than the previous deal. It was reportedly only around £1m per year previously - and that was to sponsor the league as well as to televise meetings! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Perhaps, like me, Humphrey is just curious as a PAYING Customer. Curiosity is fine. And if that is the case, just say it. As a paying customer you still have no legal rights to know and of course, it depends who you are paying your money to. As HA said there may be details in published accounts when they come out, so will be available then. Otherwise "curiosity" has no legal standing as such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Curiosity is fine. And if that is the case, just say it. As a paying customer you still have no legal rights to know and of course, it depends who you are paying your money to. As HA said there may be details in published accounts when they come out, so will be available then. Otherwise "curiosity" has no legal standing as such. Agreed george. I was only theorizing Humphrey's reasons - but mine is pure and simple - curiosity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted February 2, 2014 Report Share Posted February 2, 2014 Agreed george. I was only theorizing Humphrey's reasons - but mine is pure and simple - curiosity. Yep gotcha! (remember that's my way of saying 10:4! ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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