screm Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 A good investigation in to the new Television Deal would be a start. Thats if theres a tv deal to investigate on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Thats if theres a tv deal to investigate on. Exactly screm - but I think the SS should be investigating things like that. Don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Exactly screm - but I think the SS should be investigating things like that. Don't you? Not if it jeopardises anything, like a certain false start already been reported. There is a time and a place to announce things, and obviously that time hasn't arrived yet. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Not if it jeopardises anything, like a certain false start already been reported. There is a time and a place to announce things, and obviously that time hasn't arrived yet. But, surely that is what Investigative Journalism is all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 But, surely that is what Investigative Journalism is all about. What muscling in on a deal, printing what they know and the deal being scuppered because of that. That's crazy. One less single malt for you I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Not if it jeopardises anything, like a certain false start already been reported. There is a time and a place to announce things, and obviously that time hasn't arrived yet. Your answer is to confuse the role of a journalist in these matters It is not the job of Speedway Star to 'announce' anything. They can and will 'report' anything as important as an 'announcement' by the BSPA, GoSpeed or Sky. And they should investigate and question anything they wish concerning the background of any story. Whether the participants are ready to 'announce' or not. I think that the Belle Vue v Poole issue of 2013 is the one that festers with me the most. In years to come the de facto journal of record will show nothing at all untoward relating to that Monday of shame. No journalist should be happy with the Star's position on that night. Brian Burford can 'unearth' material on events of thirty plus years past. But wo betide anyone talking with candour about the present. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 What muscling in on a deal, printing what they know and the deal being scuppered because of that. That's crazy. One less single malt for you I think. Your answer is to confuse the role of a journalist in these matters It is not the job of Speedway Star to 'announce' anything. They can and will 'report' anything as important as an 'announcement' by the BSPA, GoSpeed or Sky. And they should investigate and question anything they wish concerning the background of any story. Whether the participants are ready to 'announce' or not. I think that the Belle Vue v Poole issue of 2013 is the one that festers with me the most. In years to come the de facto journal of record will show nothing at all untoward relating to that Monday of shame. No journalist should be happy with the Star's position on that night. Brian Burford can 'unearth' material on events of thirty plus years past. But wo betide anyone talking with candour about the present. ..................... and there you have it. Good Post GC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Your answer is to confuse the role of a journalist in these matters It is not the job of Speedway Star to 'announce' anything. They can and will 'report' anything as important as an 'announcement' by the BSPA, GoSpeed or Sky. And they should investigate and question anything they wish concerning the background of any story. Whether the participants are ready to 'announce' or not. I think that the Belle Vue v Poole issue of 2013 is the one that festers with me the most. In years to come the de facto journal of record will show nothing at all untoward relating to that Monday of shame. No journalist should be happy with the Star's position on that night. Brian Burford can 'unearth' material on events of thirty plus years past. But wo betide anyone talking with candour about the present. Ignoring of course the fact that a recent slip has caused a hiccup, and why we still await an 'announcement' that is usually reported in the SS. Never heard that 'careless talk costs lives". To some on here they would wriggle out any news, true or false, get it printed and talk the big talk when the deal collapses. Thank goodness the SS is prepared to wait until the time is right. And there you have it TWK...... Edited January 25, 2014 by Tsunami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Ignoring of course the fact that a recent slip has caused a hiccup, and why we still await an 'announcement' that is usually reported in the SS. Never heard that 'careless talk costs lives". I think a pause for you to gain persepective may be needed. We are talking about a TV deal with Sky. Not all out-war with the Nazis. Chill pill for the man in Black and White. I feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Ignoring of course the fact that a recent slip has caused a hiccup, and why we still await an 'announcement' that is usually reported in the SS. Never heard that 'careless talk costs lives". To some on here they would wriggle out any news, true or false, get it printed and talk the big talk when the deal collapses. Thank goodness the SS is prepared to wait until the time is right. And there you have it TWK...... Or until they are told. That's not Journalism - that's acting as a mouthpiece. Whatever happened to good old Investigative Journalism? Edited January 25, 2014 by The White Knight 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Can someone who has links to the speedway star please tell me why they never actually report on anything worthwhile? It seems to me it's not what you know but who you know and they never seem to want to disagree with anyone or anything that might upset certain members of the Scb, Bspa or others within a very tight speedway circle!! Depends what you call anything worth while.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 I think a pause for you to gain persepective may be needed. We are talking about a TV deal with Sky. Not all out-war with the Nazis. Chill pill for the man in Black and White. I feel. I think you got my point which was relevant. Or until they are told. That's not Journalism - that's acting as a mouthpiece. Whatever happened to good old Investigative Journalism? Reread post 28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Agree with that Paulco, the staff at the SS do an excellent job in getting a comprehensive speedway news magazine out every week, including all the results from Europe and beyond.... It's not a criticism of the SS and the service they provide, but it would be good for someone to do some in-depth analysis of contentious events such as BV Vs Poole last season The only problem with that being that unless it resulted in 'Poole taking all the blame', it would still be seen as non-contentious by many on here!! Whereas the full report in the Ss did explain the circumstances and who was responsible for making decisions on the night - but of course that didn't suit some people's agendas!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityrebel Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 I just find the speedway star boring and have done for years. I stopped buying it when Wimbledon closed midway through 1991. It's enough for me to attend a couple of meetings a week without paying more to read about it. All I need to know on a race day is, the team line ups and the weather forecast, these things I can get via the Internet. I have little interest in the SGP and a lot of the articles in the star are devoted to that subject. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 I just find the speedway star boring and have done for years. I stopped buying it when Wimbledon closed midway through 1991. It's enough for me to attend a couple of meetings a week without paying more to read about it. All I need to know on a race day is, the team line ups and the weather forecast, these things I can get via the Internet. I have little interest in the SGP and a lot of the articles in the star are devoted to that subject. On the other hand, many of us think we are lucky to have such a quality and well presented magazine for our minority sport, and at such a reasonable price. Everyones different. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 On the other hand, many of us think we are lucky to have such a quality and well presented magazine for our minority sport, and at such a reasonable price. Everyones different. Philip Rising will be sending you a Brown Envelope shortly. :rofl: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 In john berrys book he observed that ss used to be quite unafraid to challenge the establishment. However, once mr rising was part ofcthe group which purchased the star and went from being just editor to psrt owner, the star became much less wiling to be out spoken. Would be interested if phil thinks there is any truth to this. I HAVEN'T actually been Editor of SS for almost 18 years now. I was always more opinionated in print than Richard Clark, who took over from me, but you don't keep a dog and bark yourself. His style may be different from mine and of course some people will criticise the content but I have said many times on here that you cannot please all of the people all of the time. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Philip Rising will be sending you a Brown Envelope shortly. :rofl: There you go again 'lining peoples pockets'. There are risks in publishing things too early, but you seem to miss the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 There you go again 'lining peoples pockets'. There are risks in publishing things too early, but you seem to miss the point. I WISH somebody would line MINE!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Central Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) On the other hand, many of us think we are lucky to have such a quality and well presented magazine for our minority sport, and at such a reasonable price. Everyones different. Indeed we are. This illustrates one of the things that elevates Mr Rising's own contributions here above so many others. I don't think he has ever resorted to 'defending' the Star, or it's editorial stance, by reference to anything so demeaning as that we should 'just be grateful' for what we get. I find it amusing that others choose to do so. . Edited January 25, 2014 by Grand Central 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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