Ghostwalker Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) But speedway isn't like football so why do people keep using such a comparison. It's a decent idea and better to have 4 teams that can compete than 3 good ones and a Brit one that gets slaughtered. It's only a made up competition for TV and not really anything serious. If it happens enjoy it for what it is rather than moan about what it isn't. Actually it is a very relevant comparison. Why should speedway be different then any other sport? Why should speedway use last seasons teams? Then there still is this factor with team conflicts for riders which makes the whole idea of a champions league pretty much non existent. Why should Poole be allowed to use Chris Holder when he doesn't ride for them this season? A team should not be able to use a riders which they don't have a contract with for the current season. As I said before the CL is doomed since teams can use their best riders since they have to to ride for another team in the same tournament. Also teams and meetings should be league-style and not SWC style. @arnieg Kenni Larsen have a sligthly lower average then Korneliussen in Sweden but Kenni have rode all his meetings as nr5 except one which he rode as nr1. Korneliussen have about 3-4 meetings as nr4 and he rest as nr 3 which gives him easier heats (especially as nr4) which makes it easier to score more points, Edited July 26, 2014 by Ghostwalker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Actually it is a very relevant comparison. Why should speedway be different then any other sport? Why should speedway use last seasons teams? Then there still is this factor with team conflicts for riders which makes the whole idea of a champions league pretty much non existent. No it's not. Footballers play for one team as they are given a weekly wage that is enough to allow them to live off it. They are paid all year round whether they play or not. Injured or just left out because they are moaning or crap they still get their full wage. Speedway rider's are self employed and ride on a match or series of matches basis. If they are not riding they are not earning so riding in different countries in different leagues is a necessity. Footballers can train in lavish facilities whilst speedway riders need meetings to keep themselves competitive as the clubs they ride for don't have the option to provide training facilities for riders. A footballer usually lives in the area they play in whilst a speedway rider could be based hundreds of miles from where his team are. Speedway has practically nothing that can be compared to football. Football is a very rich well run sport whilst speedway is a very poor badly run sport. The idea that's someone with ambition like Darcy or Tai can ride for ONE team only is too daft for words as nobody could afford to pay them the wage they would require to be able to do that. Of course a Champions League in speedway is a non starter but that does not mean some kind of competition between countries cannot be envisaged. Once we used to see touring sides come to Britain and provide great entertainment. Back then all the best riders rode here. Now the boot is on the other foot but why not involve a British team in this kind of thing. There is no point comparing it to some kind of Champions league that other well run sports have. Speedway is a pretty insignificant sport even in places where it is popular and it will always just be some Mickey Mouse made up idea but may well provide some entertainment for those who watch it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) Whats your point? Ward, Holder,Janowski and Pawlicki all rode for the 2013 Pirates, which is what this competition is all about!! Why would you want a 'true reflection of the strength of the rival leagues'?? We all know that generally the British EL is weaker than the rest, so to have a competition with more equal strength teams will surely make for better racing theoretically - albeit in this first year as only a 4xteam round with 4 riders per team - as long as all the riders meet the agreed criteria!! All the other teams are using their 2014 riders,why should Poole be different because the Elite league is weaker than Poland and Sweden.All we ask is, it is what it is, if the Elite league is weaker so be it ! Maybe teams from Turkey,Belgium,Scotland and Poland should all be able to strengthen in footballs champions league next year just so it looks better ! I'm amazed Poole would want to bend the rules anyway. Edited July 26, 2014 by New Science 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 If I bother to watch I'll be supporting anyone but Poole anyway. Pointless competition. A Poole vs Coventry challenge would probably be of more interest to more people in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Of course it is to most a pointless competition i'd think.Just like the Bundesliga with 3 teams competing to qualify for a two team play-off id pretty pointless in that sense.But it will succeed or fail on the amount of people who turn up on the day etc.If it manages to capture the imagination of enough fans then it will survive.I stick by my previous statement that i can't see it going longer than 3 years.Can't see fans in Poland or Sweden turning up in big numbers for this,but wait and see..... The statement this week seems to leave it open for one or more countries to drop out and maybe a team from germany or Italy etc to join in the future.Press conference at the end of the week...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Of course it is to most a pointless competition i'd think.Just like the Bundesliga with 3 teams competing to qualify for a two team play-off id pretty pointless in that sense.But it will succeed or fail on the amount of people who turn up on the day etc.If it manages to capture the imagination of enough fans then it will survive.I stick by my previous statement that i can't see it going longer than 3 years.Can't see fans in Poland or Sweden turning up in big numbers for this,but wait and see..... The statement this week seems to leave it open for one or more countries to drop out and maybe a team from germany or Italy etc to join in the future.Press conference at the end of the week...... "This is a new competition for elite Speedway Club Teams. To qualify the team must be the reigning national champions of their respective Speedway Leagues, in the four eligible countries. Four teams, from four different nations, each consisting of five riders will contest the series over twenty heats. Each team will comprise of four counting riders plus one reserve. " Whats so open with that one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 "This is a new competition for elite Speedway Club Teams. To qualify the team must be the reigning national champions of their respective Speedway Leagues, in the four eligible countries. Four teams, from four different nations, each consisting of five riders will contest the series over twenty heats. Each team will comprise of four counting riders plus one reserve. " Whats so open with that one? Quite easy to see.Like i said it doesn't state the 4 champions from Poland,Sweden,GB and Denmark,it states 4 teams from 4 different countries,so leaving the chance that Poland or Denmark drop out.Then we have a comp with GB,Czecho,Germany and Italy for instance and no-one would see that as a Champions League as we have a European Team comp with that sort of line-up at the mo which interests hardly anyone.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Quite easy to see.Like i said it doesn't state the 4 champions from Poland,Sweden,GB and Denmark,it states 4 teams from 4 different countries,so leaving the chance that Poland or Denmark drop out.Then we have a comp with GB,Czecho,Germany and Italy for instance and no-one would see that as a Champions League as we have a European Team comp with that sort of line-up at the mo which interests hardly anyone.... Well... yeah... okay... It does say "four eligible", but not states which ones. So basically they can change it if they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 Well... yeah... okay... It does say "four eligible", but not states which ones. So basically they can change it if they want to. You are funny now that you are in the FIM camp.Change it if they want to or more likely change it if they have to.The whole idea is this is based around what are thought to be the top 4 leagues in the world.If one or two drop out then you don't have what they set out to form.You then have a dodgy comp that no-one is really interested like the one we have had for years anyway run by the UEM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 cant believe anyone can think a comp like this could work, british speedway rules are daft, its embarassing on sky tv, watching mix n match teams, they would be even crazier in a euro comp..get it right here first before goin global and showing the sport up further! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 You are funny now that you are in the FIM camp. Thats not nice. ... or true. I might be in the FMN camp for the time being, but thats not even near FIM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 If Holder rides for Poole it would make the meeting a joke in my opinion. What's wrong with Poole having Ward, Janowski, Pawlicki, and Milik they will surely be competitive. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 If Holder rides for Poole it would make the meeting a joke in my opinion. What's wrong with Poole having Ward, Janowski, Pawlicki, and Milik they will surely be competitive. Why a joke? Holder has ridden for Poole this year, has signed a Poole 2014 contract and lives in or just outside Poole!! What would be more of a joke in those circumstances is if he rode against Poole!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severnsider Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 Why a joke? Holder has ridden for Poole this year, has signed a Poole 2014 contract and lives in or just outside Poole!! What would be more of a joke in those circumstances is if he rode against Poole!! I thought Holder should be riding for Piraterna. He was part of their side for 2013 and 2014 and only rode for Poole as cover when Darcy was injured 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 THE situation regarding Holder is causing some conflict, quite understandably, between Poole and Piraterna which underlines the fundamental problems speedway has in running a competition like this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 28, 2014 Report Share Posted July 28, 2014 (edited) Why a joke? Holder has ridden for Poole this year, has signed a Poole 2014 contract and lives in or just outside Poole!! What would be more of a joke in those circumstances is if he rode against Poole!! Why he is listed as OG for Poole then? Holder has been used as a temporary replacement for Ward, just like Zagar is for Holder in Piraterna. Obviously a team should only be allowed to use their permanent riders and not the temporary riders they have used to cover for injured riders. Also as far as (judging by: I can see Pz Pawlicki did not ride the entire season for Poole last year, so that should mean that if last season's teams are used neither of the Pawlicki's should be available for Poole but instead they should be available for Piraterna due to length of service rule (3 seasons for Piraterna-Motala; 2011-2013). Poole can't have it both ways. Edited July 28, 2014 by Ghostwalker 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted July 29, 2014 Report Share Posted July 29, 2014 (edited) Why a joke? Holder has ridden for Poole this year, has signed a Poole 2014 contract and lives in or just outside Poole!! What would be more of a joke in those circumstances is if he rode against Poole!! Maybe because he isn't declared in the side and is riding for Piraterna this season as well as last season. Edited July 29, 2014 by woz01 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Bad blood already, and the competition has not even begun yet. I am only waiting for someone suggesting to allow a "guest rider" in circumstances like with Holder either riding for Poole or Piraterna. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevH Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 Does anyone know the race format for this meeting? It has been stated it is a four team tournament with teams of five riders, one of which is a reserve. It would seem to lend itself to the SWC format.......can anyone confirm please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted August 1, 2014 Report Share Posted August 1, 2014 It's a challenge meeting with some select sides included. No more than that. Winners may call themselves European Champions but will have arguably less credibility than the elite league champs who finish 4th in the 'regular' season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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