Ghostwalker Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 (edited) RR, no Zagar is in for a minimum of 28 days after that Holder will re-take his place in the squad as soon as he returns from injury. Edited July 16, 2014 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 SKIDDER1 is spot on regarding riders' costs, etc. Why would a rider earning several thousand pounds per meeting riding for Zielona Gora travel to England a mere fraction of what he normally receives? It isn't just team strengths where there is a great disparity between Poland and the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted July 16, 2014 Report Share Posted July 16, 2014 Â SKIDDER1 is spot on regarding riders' costs, etc. Why would a rider earning several thousand pounds per meeting riding for Zielona Gora travel to England a mere fraction of what he normally receives? It isn't just team strengths where there is a great disparity between Poland and the UK. Â NOT sure why you posted this. The meeting was originally scheduled for Poole (hence the comments above) but is now taking place (where else?) in Poland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
one of clubs Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Just another meaningless open meeting. It will not do a jot of good to the sport and not many people will take any notice I am afraid to say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted July 20, 2014 Report Share Posted July 20, 2014 Worthless event - this proposed champions league of Speedway, strangely to be named "the World League", is well and truely a mickey mouse competition that nobody wants, and will never work. How come British promoters constantly complain about too many of these competitons on the continent and then help create this one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 (edited) Worthless event - this proposed champions league of Speedway, strangely to be named "the World League", is well and truely a mickey mouse competition that nobody wants, and will never work. How come British promoters constantly complain about too many of these competitons on the continent and then help create this one? It may well never work long term but can't agree that 'nobody wants it'!! Â Its a FIM meeting, with Armando Castagna and others firmly of the belief that this should be one of the ways forward. As has been said before, the major issue behind it not being a 4-round series this year (and probably next year too) is simply money - or the lack of it, especially in the UK!! Â Poole were offered the opportunity to host it this year but simply could not 'guarantee' the cost!! - and if Poole couldn't do it I doubt any other EL club could, even with some external financial support! Â However that is no reason for not at least trying it - and when/where better than a GP weekend in Poland?! Edited July 23, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 It may well never work long term but can't agree that 'nobody wants it'!!  Its a FIM meeting, with Armando Castagna and others firmly of the belief that this should be one of the ways forward. As has been said before, the major issue behind it not being a 4-round series this year (and probably next year too) is simply money - or the lack of it, especially in the UK!!  Poole were offered the opportunity to host it this year but simply could not 'guarantee' the cost!! - and if Poole couldn't do it I doubt any other EL club could, even with some external financial support!  However that is no reason for not at least trying it - and when/where better than a GP weekend in Poland?!  The thing is still that riders rides for several teams and in this case it strongly gives an disadvantage to Piraterna who have a team that heavily relies on Greg H, Darcy and Chris Holder. The problem for Piraterna now is that that Darcy and Holder will ride for another team. This means that the whole idea of a champions league is lost since we don't know what the strongest league team in Europe is since Piraterna can't field the strongest possible team.  Instead of a lineup with Greg Hancock, Darcy Ward, Chris Holder and Bjarne Pedersen they will have to replace Darcy and Holder with Linus Sundström and Rory Schlein. Quite a big difference don't you think?  So if not all teams can use their best riders, what is the point of all this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 The logo has been published: https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10462313_904447116237289_7095250948498308369_n.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 The logo has been published: https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/t1.0-9/10462313_904447116237289_7095250948498308369_n.jpg In the right order for Quality as well(although Poland and Sweden could have swapped-as it`s in Poland suppose it`s right) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Â Â So if not all teams can use their best riders, what is the point of all this? It would be a waste of a very nice logo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 The draw:Red: Spar Falubaz Zielona GoraBlue: Poole PiratesWhite: Piraterna (SMK Motala SK)Yellow: Esbjerg Motorsport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 The idea runs into problems as soon as a rider is contracted to more than one team in the event. The fact that Holder is riding for Poole is bonkers as he isn't a Poole ride this year save for a couple of manufactured appearances. Doesn't put a lot of faith in the much lauded Milik either. Â The idea could possibly work long term but has an air of Mickey Mouse about it at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 From little acorns (albeit somewhat misshapen),... large oak trees grow!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krompa Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Problem can simply be solved in the future. New FIM regulation that any rider can only ride for 1 team that was champion in 4 of biggest leagues year before. Let's say Kings Lynn, Zielona Gora, Vetlanda and Holsted win leagues in 2014. Then Hampel have to chose Zielona Gora or Vetlanda for 2015. It will only be a problem for 1 or 2 riders every year and they are good enough to find new teams anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 The idea runs into problems as soon as a rider is contracted to more than one team in the event. The fact that Holder is riding for Poole is bonkers as he isn't a Poole ride this year save for a couple of manufactured appearances. Doesn't put a lot of faith in the much lauded Milik either. Â The idea could possibly work long term but has an air of Mickey Mouse about it at the moment. The teams are just been manufactured so that it looks close,Ward or Holder ride for POOLE not both,by sugar coating it you are not getting a true reflection in the strength of the rival leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 (edited) The teams are just been manufactured so that it looks close,Ward or Holder ride for POOLE not both,by sugar coating it you are not getting a true reflection in the strength of the rival leagues. Whats your point? Ward, Holder,Janowski and Pawlicki all rode for the 2013 Pirates, which is what this competition is all about!! Â Why would you want a 'true reflection of the strength of the rival leagues'?? We all know that generally the British EL is weaker than the rest, so to have a competition with more equal strength teams will surely make for better racing theoretically - albeit in this first year as only a 4xteam round with 4 riders per team - as long as all the riders meet the agreed criteria!! Edited July 25, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 nice logo, but how can they seriously call this entirely European competiton for the league champions of Poland, Sweden, Denmark and Britain a WORLD LEAGUE ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Skidder, surely in football, the team uses the current season's players rather then last season's players for their Champions league games? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandorum Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Skidder, surely in football, the team uses the current season's players rather then last season's players for their Champions league games? But speedway isn't like football so why do people keep using such a comparison. It's a decent idea and better to have 4 teams that can compete than 3 good ones and a Brit one that gets slaughtered. It's only a made up competition for TV and not really anything serious. If it happens enjoy it for what it is rather than moan about what it isn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 (edited) Whats your point? Ward, Holder,Janowski and Pawlicki all rode for the 2013 Pirates, which is what this competition is all about!! Â Why would you want a 'true reflection of the strength of the rival leagues'?? We all know that generally the British EL is weaker than the rest, so to have a competition with more equal strength teams will surely make for better racing theoretically - albeit in this first year as only a 4xteam round with 4 riders per team - as long as all the riders meet the agreed criteria!! Can we correct this myth. Let's compare the bottom team in the Elite League - Leicester - with a typical Danish team: Munkebo (chosen because it is mid-table with a very stable line-up) Â At 1: Jason Doyle v Hans Andersen - good match, Doyle has a higher average than Andersen in Sweden, GB and Poland, but it's close in all three so let's say a tie At 2: Mads Korneliusssen v Kenni Larsen - pretty equal (Larsen has the higher average in Poland, but Mads wins in Sweden and Denmark) At 3: Krzys Buczkowski v Morten Risager - do I need to answer this one? At 4: Simon Stead v Kasper Lykke Nielsen - Stead out averages KLN by 3 points a match in the PL At 5: Nikolai Klindt v Jesper Scharff - 8.5 Klindt v 2.8 for Scharff in the DSL Â Conclusion: there are a lot of things better about the DSL, but team strengths isn't one of them. The Danes, like the Brits are way behind the big two leagues. Edited July 26, 2014 by arnieg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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