500cc Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 In the situation of riders racing in more than one country, the question of which team is given precedence was to be solved by a priority of 1) Rider Nationality; 2) whichever club the rider has been riding for/contracted to/an asset of. the longest. So for example, a club such as Poole would have first call on riders such as Holder and Ward. But that would just make the whole competition look stupid. How an earth would it have any integrity if Holder didn't ride for Piraterna (a club he is riding for this season) and instead rode for Poole (a team he no longer rides for). You may as well enter an Australian team as nationality trumps all in that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted January 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 I AM hearing that the proposal was for a one-off meeting featuring the Champions from Denmark, GB, Poland and Sweden at Poole but now seems unlikely to take place. Mr. Rising, I am aware that you are in position where you are hearing a lot of things, but would you kindly say "B" when you already said "A" and tell us why that proposed "one-off meeting" is unlikely to take place. No doubt we would also love to know the source of that hearing. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 I AM hearing that the proposal was for a one-off meeting featuring the Champions from Denmark, GB, Poland and Sweden at Poole but now seems unlikely to take place. Was this originally planned for Peterborough before they pulled out of EL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 the reason I think it could of worked in 70s was because, the crazy doubling up/riding in 3 countries didn't exist.. a rider was a 1 team rider, sides had a proper team feel to it....today, a rider could be up against his own team, to me, that wouldn't make it a proper competition..imo The issue of course would have been that almost all the top riders raced in Britain as there was only one major league - im not sure that would have made for a better champions league. What are your thoughts on tge world club t20 competition, which faces the same issue with regards to players potentially qualifying for multiple clubs - a proper competition? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Mr. Rising, I am aware that you are in position where you are hearing a lot of things, but would you kindly say "B" when you already said "A" and tell us why that proposed "one-off meeting" is unlikely to take place. No doubt we would also love to know the source of that hearing. Thank you. I AM sure you don't expect me to reveal any confidential source ... unlikely to take place because the costs are too high and such a meeting at Poole even with a crowd of around 4,500 (just about their max) would simply not be viable. Was this originally planned for Peterborough before they pulled out of EL? DON'T think so ... it seems that the idea is to have the meeting at the home of line of the participants rather than a neutral venue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 is that cricket you are on about t20? if so I have no view or opinion on cricket....I was talking bout speedway, and no, I wouldn't find euro cup credible with mix n match teams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) I AM sure you don't expect me to reveal any confidential source ... unlikely to take place because the costs are too high and such a meeting at Poole even with a crowd of around 4,500 (just about their max) would simply not be viable. DON'T think so ... it seems that the idea is to have the meeting at the home of line of the participants rather than a neutral venue. Sorry got it mixed up with this rumour, which is very similar http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=75264&page=3&do=findComment&comment=2383222 Edited January 22, 2014 by Noodles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 the reason I think it could of worked in 70s was because, the crazy doubling up/riding in 3 countries didn't exist.. a rider was a 1 team rider, sides had a proper team feel to it....today, a rider could be up against his own team, to me, that wouldn't make it a proper competition..imo Depends on how "own team" is defined in speedway I suppose! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 yeah, have no probs with competition, just don't see it being credible in the mainstream..elite has soo many things wrong with it, and think euro would be in same mould.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted January 22, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 I AM sure you don't expect me to reveal any confidential source ... unlikely to take place because the costs are too high and such a meeting at Poole even with a crowd of around 4,500 (just about their max) would simply not be viable. Thank you for your reply. I didn't know that your sources are confidential... still it's a great pity than even with a ( a possible) crowd of around 4,500 organizing such an event is not viable for Poole promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 22, 2014 Report Share Posted January 22, 2014 Thank you for your reply. I didn't know that your sources are confidential... still it's a great pity than even with a ( a possible) crowd of around 4,500 organizing such an event is not viable for Poole promotion. DON'T have to be a genius to work out the costs ... four teams of five for starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 DON'T have to be a genius to work out the costs ... four teams of five for starters. Sadly I think that points to a lot of Speedway's problems. If a crowd of 4,500 (best possibility) is deemed insufficient to be viable for 20 riders that once again the inherent costs of the sport should be questioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Sadly I think that points to a lot of Speedway's problems. If a crowd of 4,500 (best possibility) is deemed insufficient to be viable for 20 riders that once again the inherent costs of the sport should be questioned. Think most of the problems were dealt with on a previous thread a couple of years back.I know i was one who was very sceptical because of the costs.This isn't just a challenge meeting or series.This is an official FIM title and as such the FIM will want some money and the riders will also very likely want more than the usual pay out for this.So everyone in the meeting will be on more than a normal league meeting,plus they'd expect some prize money for winning etc.And as i have pointed out on a number of occasions the teams have to be roughly equal in strength.That really means the Danes have to get at least one more top rider in their side and they have only a few years ago cut back on the number of top riders to save money!!!!The other two teams need strengthening as well if they want to challenge for the title.Only the Polish side is good enough to really calll this a Champions League.To pay for that then Poole or whoever need to put the admission prices up by a fair whack and also need sponsors to help out and tv coverage would probably be essential.I'd guess there are few if any sponsors or tv companies interested 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Such a "World League" with F.I.M. blessing should not be for club teams, but for national teams. A speedway competition similar to the Rugby Union's Six Nations tournament, featuring Great Britain, Australia, Sweden, Denmark, Poland and a Rest of the World team. Aussies could ride their home matches in the UK, or elsewhere if they want to. Rest of the World could have their home matches in any other country, such as Germany, Czech Republic, or Italy. No problems with the allocation of riders, their nationality tells them for what team they have to ride. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedaler Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 DON'T have to be a genius to work out the costs ... four teams of five for starters. Only marginally more than 16 riders and 2 reserves for a very boring individual or testimonial meeting...Surely a TEAM meeting and an international all star team meeting at that will attract a bumper crowd, big sponsorship, television coverage, merchandise sales etc etc that would make it all VERY worthwhile...in anywhere other than a territory ruled over by the BSPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 Only marginally more than 16 riders and 2 reserves for a very boring individual or testimonial meeting...Surely a TEAM meeting and an international all star team meeting at that will attract a bumper crowd, big sponsorship, television coverage, merchandise sales etc etc that would make it all VERY worthwhile...in anywhere other than a territory ruled over by the BSPA. Then no doubt one of the other clubs will step in and hold the meeting if Poole can't make the figures add up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) The biggest problem is that all the 'foreign' teams' riders will want to be paid what they earn in Poland, Sweden etc, so I'm not surprised Poole - or any other British club - would think twice about staging it. Poole were one of the keenest for this competition to take place a couple of seasons ago - as were Sky - especially when there were lots of spare dates in the fixture list!!! Not sure there are that many spare Wednesday nights this year when it could be hosted?! Any 'off-raceday' could also be difficult as it would likely clash with the foreign fixtures as well as possibly meaning two home meetings in a week! Edited January 25, 2014 by Skidder1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) The biggest problem is that all the 'foreign' teams' riders will want to be paid what they earn in Poland, Sweden etc, so I'm not surprised Poole - or any other British club - would think twice about staging it. Poole were one of the keenest for this competition to take place a couple of seasons ago - as were Sky - especially when there were lots of spare dates in the fixture list!!! Sounds closer to reality than one or two of the previous posts Edited January 25, 2014 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILIPRISING Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 SKIDDER1 is spot on regarding riders' costs, etc. Why would a rider earning several thousand pounds per meeting riding for Zielona Gora travel to England a mere fraction of what he normally receives? It isn't just team strengths where there is a great disparity between Poland and the UK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted January 29, 2014 Report Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) I like the idea but cost would be the major issue. Brandon would be big enough to host if its to be in Britain. Also if you add Pawlicki to the Poole side named at the beginning of the thread they would be competitive. Edited January 29, 2014 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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