lucifer sam Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) it takes a very clever man one that's very clever like your good self to get it right everytime ok Buster didn't that time but then again he's not as clever as your good self Shovvy makes mistakes. Such as the time he missed the Coventry v Poole match, because he'd put the wrong type of fuel in his car. All the best Rob Edited March 26, 2014 by lucifer sam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 If Mick Horton had been in total charge of every aspect of the meeting I would have said yes he must take the can but he wasn`t. According to Mick he was over ruled regarding the preparation of the track. Next news you`ll be blaming Mick for the cold cup of tea you purchased at the tea bar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 If Mick Horton had been in total charge of every aspect of the meeting I would have said yes he must take the can but he wasn`t. According to Mick he was over ruled regarding the preparation of the track. Next news you`ll be blaming Mick for the cold cup of tea you purchased at the tea bar... I think its quite clear that the track wasn't Mick Horton's fault. What is his fault is the fact that he didn't turn up for a meeting on Saturday (by which time I have been told the track was in such a condition that it wouldn't be ready by Sunday) he didn't call it off on Sunday morning and he let paying customers in before start time. What he did (or didn't do) turned incompetence into a PR disaster and effectively got the stadium management (almost) completely off the hook. Its never easy calling a match off when the Sky cameras are in attendance. But its a damn sight better calling it off early than calling it off at start time. One final point : I have been told this wasn't a BSPA shared event, but an EL one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local Boy Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 If Mick Horton had been in total charge of every aspect of the meeting I would have said yes he must take the can but he wasn`t. According to Mick he was over ruled regarding the preparation of the track. Next news you`ll be blaming Mick for the cold cup of tea you purchased at the tea bar... He was the person responsible for delivering the event on behalf of the BSPA; if the stadium managements' account is to be believed, as a minimum he was negligent in the approach to his duties. People can point the finger at the BSPA if they wish, but the reality is that every Elite League promoter including Mick is a member of the BSPA and as an Elite League promoter he should be more than capable of putting on this event. I think its quite clear that the track wasn't Mick Horton's fault. What is his fault is the fact that he didn't turn up for a meeting on Saturday (by which time I have been told the track was in such a condition that it wouldn't be ready by Sunday) he didn't call it off on Sunday morning and he let paying customers in before start time. What he did (or didn't do) turned incompetence into a PR disaster and effectively got the stadium management (almost) completely off the hook. Its never easy calling a match off when the Sky cameras are in attendance. But its a damn sight better calling it off early than calling it off at start time. One final point : I have been told this wasn't a BSPA shared event, but an EL one. That's what I had heard; EL thought they could do it better! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I agree with what you all say BUT it is delivered in hindsight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midland Red Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Mr Russell wasn't there as a track man - not by any stretch of your imagination. If he was there as a track man then he would have been there Saturday and Sunday working on the track. As it was, he turned up for his Meeting Co-ordinator duties just over 2 hours before start time. I know some like to shift the blame in that direction, but this one lays only with the Coventry Promotion I'm afraid. So the BSPA Meeting Co-ordinator only arrives 2 hours before start time - that sounds really conscientious of him and his organisation No doubt there were fans there well before that time - surely he should have been one of the first on duty, to meet with stadium officials, operating promoter/s, broadcasting bodies, riders, etc . . . . . This beggars belief! made me laugh!!! Mecca, maybe! Shovvy makes mistakes. Such as the time he missed the Coventry v Poole match, because he'd put the wrong type of car in his car. All the best Rob You mean he tried to get a big car into a little car instead of the other way round?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reliant Robin Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 So the BSPA Meeting Co-ordinator only arrives 2 hours before start time - that sounds really conscientious of him and his organisation No doubt there were fans there well before that time - surely he should have been one of the first on duty, to meet with stadium officials, operating promoter/s, broadcasting bodies, riders, etc . . . . . This beggars belief! Mecca, maybe! You mean he tried to get a big car into a little car instead of the other way round?????? Haha, can't get him one way so we'll change direction! Laughable! Why would he need to be there more than 2 hours beforehand having been assured that all is well? He doesn't need to meet with Stadium officials, the running of the meeting is down to the Promotion. A Meeting co-ordinator is there to liaise between SCB Officials & Broadcasters. 2 hours beforehand, when there are meant to be no issues (see A Harkess statement) is ample. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dornier Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Apparently the stadium track staff were still working on the track upto near start time. Can somebody explain why they would do that when apparently everybody but Mick knew it was unraceable on Saturday. It doesn`t add up to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 You mean he tried to get a big car into a little car instead of the other way round?????? Proof I'm not perfect either... now corrected. Sunday was ridiculous, embarrassing, call it what you like. But it happened, and it can't be made to un-happen. We just have to hope everyone involved learnt a valuable lesson. The last thing we need is to lose Coventry Speedway. All the best Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local Boy Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 So the BSPA Meeting Co-ordinator only arrives 2 hours before start time - that sounds really conscientious of him and his organisation If the rumour Halifaxtiger and I have heard is correct this was an "Elite League" run event disguised as a BSPA shared event, with the EL solely responsible with the Coventry promotion for its success or failure. Perhaps someone who knows can confirm if this is true or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy2706 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 What relevance has the nationality of the track curator got to do with this? How many non-British speedway riders are there in British speedway - and, using your stereotyped attitude, how many of them have you decided are actually good enough to deserve to be riding in Britain? My stereotyped attitude and opinions tell me that there are too many non-British speedway riders riding in British speedway. Not that I mentioned anything about British riders. What would you like, Police Officers who speak no English? Judges who speak no English? Politicians who speak no English? Firemen who speak no English? It will certainly not affect their competence, but it will certainly hamper their ability to communicate with others and to discharge their duties without problems. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacques Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 http://www.coventrybees.co/news.php?extend.2616 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 There you go folks, thats as much of an "It was my fault" you're going to get from Horton. At least he has had the sense to admit to his errors and now it appears that peace has been made and the Bees can continue to enjoy their season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mudflaps Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 good on Horton for the apology, but he really has showed himself if a bad light after the events of last weekend. Am pleased that after the initial tantrum that Speedway will continue at Brandon for the next few years at the very most..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StephenMiller Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Hopefully a line can now be drawn under the whole unfortunate affair and Coventry Bees can concentrate on the Elite League campaign... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moxey63 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) Somebody has mentioned why Horton didn't check on the track leading upto the day. But we all know, "Promoters" are just supporters with money in the club and, I suppose like supporters, just want to turn up on the day, an hour before tapes up, while they watch others do the work. They don't seem to realise... when one meeting ends, another should be being prepared. Had to chuckle at realising they were actually seeling tickets for the ELR in advance. Personally I wWouldn't trust a speedway with last week's "What's In The Box?" takings, never mind my weekly heating bill. I find it strange, in this climate of uncertainty for the sport, some punters lay-out hundreds of pounds on season tickets. Be real: most tracks live from season-to-season... usually Spring, Summer.... Edited March 26, 2014 by moxey63 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I think its quite clear that the track wasn't Mick Horton's fault. What is his fault is the fact that he didn't turn up for a meeting on Saturday (by which time I have been told the track was in such a condition that it wouldn't be ready by Sunday) he didn't call it off on Sunday morning and he let paying customers in before start time. What he did (or didn't do) turned incompetence into a PR disaster and effectively got the stadium management (almost) completely off the hook. Its never easy calling a match off when the Sky cameras are in attendance. But its a damn sight better calling it off early than calling it off at start time. One final point : I have been told this wasn't a BSPA shared event, but an EL one. The event WAS a BSPA shared event. Up until the last couple of weeks these BSPA events have been co-ordinated by David Hoggart, who many will be aware has been unceremoniously dumped by the new Sheffield promotion and as a result has been talking about severing all ties with the sport!! It may well be that as a short-term measure the ERC was undertaken by EL Promoters in the absence of a nominated and experienced Event Co-ordinator?! Ronnie Russell, as I understand it, is the Sky Track Co-ordinator for televised meetings. Not quite sure what those responsibilities entail - not much by Sunday's standards!! Anyway at least there appears a positive way forward after MH's latest statement today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Local Boy Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 The event WAS a BSPA shared event. Up until the last couple of weeks these BSPA events have been co-ordinated by David Hoggart, who many will be aware has been unceremoniously dumped by the new Sheffield promotion and as a result has been talking about severing all ties with the sport!! It may well be that as a short-term measure the ERC was undertaken by EL Promoters in the absence of a nominated and experienced Event Co-ordinator?! Ronnie Russell, as I understand it, is the Sky Track Co-ordinator for televised meetings. Not quite sure what those responsibilities entail - not much by Sunday's standards!! Anyway at least there appears a positive way forward after MH's latest statement today. Yes all of that is true; except the rumour is the EL decided they were running this event at the AGM; was that November/December, even I could have arranged an event in a brewery in that time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Yes all of that is true; except the rumour is the EL decided they were running this event at the AGM; was that November/December, even I could have arranged an event in a brewery in that time That's precisely what I heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john birch Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Apologies if it's my semantics, but you said "foreign" - and didn't mention any possible language barrier. Your rant above is disingenuous and tallies perfectly with the Daily Mail and Farage/Ukip attitude. The failure of the trackman at Coventry (whoever it was) is actually irrelevant - the whole point of what happened on Sunday is that the BSPA is entirely responsible. I agree with nearly all of what Farage / Ukip stand for. We let in unlimited numbers of low skilled Eastern Europeans who are a drain on services and in order to make a small dent on the immigration figures stop Australian speedway riders (who don't use maternity / schools etc and have BRITISH road fund licenses on the vans they drive up and down the motorway.) We all should be voting Ukip on May 22nd! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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