montie Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 To be fair, Tom, that's the weak point in my argument. Its a bit of a long shot, but if there is another Tai in there (or something like) people will be queuing up to see them. If there isn't, they could be a burden to the rest of the league. My point being HT is that folk like Proud Panther state that due to the weakness of the Scunny team he wont turn up to Mildenhall when they visit Yet,look through the last two years and this years NL teams--how many of them started out as total rookies at Scunny,??? to take an attitude like his,will only damage his poxy team in the long run,as they need rider who have started somewhere I will never forget some fool from Dudley saying they wouldnt go watch the saints of 2011---who then completely smoked his team My advice to anyone is go see these kids race---you might just enjoy it--and your team may just benefit in the next couple of year I like to think of it as adding to the product on show but I hppe the Scorpion supporters give them the support. My experience is the Scorpion sipporters leave the stadium after the main event which is sad. The best way to support these youngsters is pay to go in--that way then team will continue---even if you decide to leave!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniev123 Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 I cannot wait to see the next 3 or 4 Seasons of NL Scunthorpe's development at Monmore Wood! I can see in 2016 ish they will be either Champions or spread around the NL as Second Strings or Heat Leaders or in the PL/EL as has happened in the last 10 years. Well done and good luck to all at Scorpions/Stags/Saints HQ. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 I like to think of it as adding to the product on show but I hppe the Scorpion supporters give them the support. My experience is the Scorpion sipporters leave the stadium after the main event which is sad. I don't think its sad, some of these Sunday afternoon double header meetings go on for over 4 hours with all the track grading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Montie, my attitude towards British riders is probably better than yours. I have sponsored one rider for the last 4 years, & helped a few others with driving etc. My team is Peterborough,( the clue is in my user name lol ), but I go to a lot of other tracks including Mildenhall. To call them poxy because you dont agree with my opinion, is a bit childish.My honest opinion is that the Saints team should be in the MDL, but thats all it is, my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted March 14, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) Montie, my attitude towards British riders is probably better than yours. I have sponsored one rider for the last 4 years, & helped a few others with driving etc. My team is Peterborough,( the clue is in my user name lol ), but I go to a lot of other tracks including Mildenhall. To call them poxy because you dont agree with my opinion, is a bit childish.My honest opinion is that the Saints team should be in the MDL, but thats all it is, my opinion. This completly is missing the point of the STAGS. The MDL and NJL have lots of riders riding in them but where do they go from here!!! nowhere as too many teams in the NL are more bothered about splashing the cash on established riders The stags are the next step up giving these riders a chance to progress onto the next level. Lets go through the team 1. Steve jones - no point riding below NL level as he has shown to be high standard at this level ad will be a match for most riders in this league 2. Ryan MacDonald - Spent the last couple of years riding in the NJL as one of the best riders so surely now is the time to be given a chance. Lack of northern NL teams means he is travelling along way to take this chance 3. Reece downs - Old enough to now ride NL and already has the youth 500 under his belt last year finishing just behind Nathan greaves who holds his own in the NL so surely is ready to ride especially at reserve (also clocks the EWR at sub 60 seconds which is heat winning level at NL level) 4. Arron Mogridge - Would cost him a fortune to ride in the MDL or NJL. would probably have jumped at the chance to ride in the SDL.......................oh wait there isnt one (there is the AJL but dont seem to have anywhere near as many meetings as the more northern leagues). Has shown all winter that he can battle with the likes of Oliver greenwood, max clegg, Nathan Greaves so a full spread of NL level riders so again surely good eough well thats 4/7 that should comfortably hold thier own and should have a place at any team in the league but i bet only 1 had multiple offers So that leaves 3 raw rookies 5. Liam Sanderson - Been on a bike less than a year but developing fast. Will also be riding in the NJL ad MDL as the likes of Dany phillips and Max clegg have which is the intermediate stage riding in both. Beat Adam extance in a round of the winter amateur series who is riding for buxton so will not be miles off other riders in the league to start with 6 & 7 the 2 raw rookies. These are probably the only 2 at the start of the season that will be slightly off the pace but again the rate of progression will be quick and likely they will also look for team places in the MDL ad NJL. Its all about meetings and track time for them. So on reflection yes they will likely lose meetings to start with but we are not aiming to win the league but they will be a team determined to improve and give 100% and will be a completely different prospect both at home and late in the season As i said earlier not all teams should go down the STAGS route butmore needs to be done to get these riders into the NL from the NJL otherwise whats the point of the league you just end up with a bunch of riders travelling around racing for free losing money with nowhere to progress to.......so then what happens....................they quit the sport Maybe a draft should be done similar to the EL where you build your top end 5 to a limit then each team has to draft 2 riders from the junior leagues who did not race regularly at NL the season before at reserve Rant over cant wait for 2 weeks to watch them race for first time and hopefully surprise alot of people especially those moaning who probably know nothing about half the riders Edited March 14, 2014 by The Scunthorpe bullet 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Rides Again Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) Over the last couple of years the Heathens have been putting 60 + points on the board pretty regularly. It's not done too much harm to their crowds, has it ? The Stags will only be making a single visit to the other tracks this year, so I think the negative posts are a bit OTT. Edited March 14, 2014 by EC Rides Again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Bullet, the only bit of your post I agree with is the fact I got the name of the team wrong. Thats not to say you are wrong, because we all have different opinions. That's what makes this forum interesting for the majority of the users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Scunthorpe are doing this right, there can be no doubt about it and any argument saying that they should build a stronger side so that other club's gates don't suffer when they are in town is incredibly flimsy. Scunthorpe have proven by developing lots of raw riders into PL standard or higher over the last few seasons that they are on the right track. I hope the Stags cause a few shocks this season and make people sit up and take notice. I've not seen any of the young riders in this side so far race except Mogridge, however I would not be surprised to see at least one or two in the Premier League in 2015/6 if Scunthorpe's track record is anything to go by. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 I like to think of it as adding to the product on show but I hppe the Scorpion supporters give them the support. My experience is the Scorpion sipporters leave the stadium after the main event which is sad. I'd say you are right, which is the one reason all meetings are doubled up. My point being HT is that folk like Proud Panther state that due to the weakness of the Scunny team he wont turn up to Mildenhall when they visit Yet,look through the last two years and this years NL teams--how many of them started out as total rookies at Scunny,??? to take an attitude like his,will only damage his poxy team in the long run,as they need rider who have started somewhere I will never forget some fool from Dudley saying they wouldnt go watch the saints of 2011---who then completely smoked his team My advice to anyone is go see these kids race---you might just enjoy it--and your team may just benefit in the next couple of year The best way to support these youngsters is pay to go in--that way then team will continue---even if you decide to leave!!! It'll depend on just how competitive they are. If they are very weak, proud panther has a point. There's every possibility that people will overlook the development side and see them as nothing but an MDL team in the NL, unable to provide entertainment or value for money. This completly is missing the point of the STAGS. The MDL and NJL have lots of riders riding in them but where do they go from here!!! nowhere as too many teams in the NL are more bothered about splashing the cash on established riders Established riders ? The two teams that have been criticised here are Dudley & Mildenhall. I'd say Dudley have two riders who might be seen as established, Mildenhall have one. As do Scunthorpe. It is ridiculous to even hint that Scunthorpe have a monopoly on developing riders because quite clearly they don't. Over the last couple of years the Heathens have been putting 60 + points on the board pretty regularly. It's not done too much harm to their crowds, has it ? The Stags will only be making a single visit to the other tracks this year, so I think the negative posts are a bit OTT. Ask Rob Godfrey what happened to his gates when his CL team were humping teams week in, week out. I also think there's a great deal of difference between hammering competitive opposition and hammering a team of rookies. As I say, it depends just how good they are. There's no question that attractive opposition pull in bigger gates than those who are unattractive. If they are very weak, there's every chance people simply will not go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Montie, my attitude towards British riders is probably better than yours. I have sponsored one rider for the last 4 years, & helped a few others with driving etc. My team is Peterborough,( the clue is in my user name lol ), but I go to a lot of other tracks including Mildenhall. To call them poxy because you dont agree with my opinion, is a bit childish.My honest opinion is that the Saints team should be in the MDL, but thats all it is, my opinion. How many riders in a MDL team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Rides Again Posted March 15, 2014 Report Share Posted March 15, 2014 Ask Rob Godfrey what happened to his gates when his CL team were humping teams week in, week out. I also think there's a great deal of difference between hammering competitive opposition and hammering a team of rookies. As I say, it depends just how good they are. There's no question that attractive opposition pull in bigger gates than those who are unattractive. If they are very weak, there's every chance people simply will not go. It all comes down to the eternal question of "stand alones" and "second teams" co-existing in this league. You just cannot please all of the people all of the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted March 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Well its thursday next rider anoucement time and the rider is............................................................................................. Nothing!! Must be building up for a big announcement (or maybe plans changing with Marc Owen looking to comeback?) Although I think we should make it more like pre internet age and not name the last 2 and people find out as everyone gets there next sunday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) Well its thursday next rider anoucement time and the rider is............................................................................................. Nothing!! Must be building up for a big announcement (or maybe plans changing with Marc Owen looking to comeback?) Although I think we should make it more like pre internet age and not name the last 2 and people find out as everyone gets there next sunday! Richard Hollingsworth quoted in today's SStar; "Discussions are still taking place. We had an agreement with a pair of riders 6 weeks ago but sadly things changed last week and now we are having to explore our options." ... "We are in discussion with a couple and hopefully we can sort out our line-up for our opening fixture by the weekend." Edited March 20, 2014 by Alan_Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted March 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Thanks for that don't see much of the star in winter due to lack of outlets in Scunthorpe selling them. Second part of my post might be right then turn up to the meeting and see who they are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Thanks for that don't see much of the star in winter due to lack of outlets in Scunthorpe selling them. Second part of my post might be right then turn up to the meeting and see who they are! The asda near to the track and the football stadium sells them i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted March 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 Asda has it one week then not the next. Roll on the season at least the track shop has it each week! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS50 Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Stags first match on Sunday, as far as I can see, they have only five riders, have they signed anyone else?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie4388 Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Stags first match on Sunday, as far as I can see, they have only five riders, have they signed anyone else?? They'll have 7 by Sunday. I'm sure they have 7 now infact. The last 2 will be unveiled on Thursday to co-inside with the Speedway Star no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted March 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 They'll have 7 by Sunday. I'm sure they have 7 now infact. The last 2 will be unveiled on Thursday to co-inside with the Speedway Star no doubt. I hope we have 7 otherwise my team picture will look a bit odd like just like the scorpions one if ryan doesnt get here by sunday!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete cc Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Thanks for that don't see much of the star in winter due to lack of outlets in Scunthorpe selling them. Second part of my post might be right then turn up to the meeting and see who they are! Scunthorpe must have a Tesco or ask your local news agent to order it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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