SCB Posted March 9, 2014 Report Share Posted March 9, 2014 Got to know Rob Godfrey a little bit last season, & have to say his enthusiasm & efforts are second to none when it comes to helping British youngsters. My opinions are more to do with the National League, & its continued improvement. A team desperately short of being competitive is not good for the league in my opinion. The riders mentioned didn't all progress from 3 pointers to good riders in the same team in the same season, & it isn't realistic to expect it to happen next season. I'd argue Rob Godfrey is right and the other teams wrong. What use a training league if you're not going to use new riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven101 Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Whos going to be the other 3? Kelsey dugard? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Nobody is saying thrown them on the scrap heap . What would you do with them then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIAMONDS Posted March 10, 2014 Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 Whos going to be the other 3? Kelsey dugard? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted March 10, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2014 No Quite correct as he has not been to the amateur meetings! Final 3 could be any of several riders and expect more to be pushing for any spots that come up. I see Castleford have several riders from the amateur meetings which will also help bring some through for the stags. The choice is a hard one as I could name about 10 straight off who are either showing promise now or shown large improvement in a very short time on a bike that would fit with developing a team that next year will do well but more importantly would be ready to move up at a similar rate as Ash, Steve and Richie did. Just a shame we cant have half foreigners or my list would be bigger!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven101 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Liam sanderson then, 2 signings left Liam sanderson then, 2 signings left 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Liam sanderson then, 2 signings left Brilliant signing---watch this kid go over the next 12 months he is exactly the type of rider the NL is about---local lad too 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Brilliant signing---watch this kid go over the next 12 months he is exactly the type of rider the NL is about---local lad too Agree with this. He is one off my list. the rate in which he has come on over this year from first getting on a bike is fantastic. Will be an unknown quantity to anyone who has not been to an amateur meeting but shows exactly what the Scunthorpe set up is about to get the talent from the mini track to league racing. Also great to have another scunny lad in the team and will improve greatly through the season and will be helped by racing for Castleford getting him experience away from EWR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Agree with this. He is one off my list. the rate in which he has come on over this year from first getting on a bike is fantastic. Will be an unknown quantity to anyone who has not been to an amateur meeting but shows exactly what the Scunthorpe set up is about to get the talent from the mini track to league racing. Also great to have another scunny lad in the team and will improve greatly through the season and will be helped by racing for Castleford getting him experience away from EWR The press release says he has limited experiencd in the open class but I have mo doubt he will progress quickly but question Do you think that if all 9 teams in the NL had this structure these lads would get enough out of it to progress to PL reserve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted March 13, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 The press release says he has limited experiencd in the open class but I have mo doubt he will progress quickly but question Do you think that if all 9 teams in the NL had this structure these lads would get enough out of it to progress to PL reserve? Limited yes he only stepped into it at the last meeting. Although he did crash he was in the mix with the rest coming into bend 3 but twice overcooked it probably from being a bit faster and with other riders unlike in the support. Even so he crash out and was to sore to continue but within a couple of days back out on the track practising looking to put things right. A good advantage of scunnys track accessibility and living in the town. If he continues his dedication to practise he will improve rapidly (also seen him down helping wayne at the mini track even when he is not riding so always learning) I don't think all 9 teams should have the exact same structure as the better riders are needed for the lads setting out to benchmark themselves to but I think each team should look to have at least 3 rookies at the lower end so they get a mixture of similar and better riders to race against to help them improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 Limited yes he only stepped into it at the last meeting. Although he did crash he was in the mix with the rest coming into bend 3 but twice overcooked it probably from being a bit faster and with other riders unlike in the support. Even so he crash out and was to sore to continue but within a couple of days back out on the track practising looking to put things right. A good advantage of scunnys track accessibility and living in the town. If he continues his dedication to practise he will improve rapidly (also seen him down helping wayne at the mini track even when he is not riding so always learning) I don't think all 9 teams should have the exact same structure as the better riders are needed for the lads setting out to benchmark themselves to but I think each team should look to have at least 3 rookies at the lower end so they get a mixture of similar and better riders to race against to help them improve. Well thank you for thatt balanced view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 (edited) Thast not Scunthorpe problem. About 4 years ago Scunthorpe had a NL team of no hopers, it did struggle, the year after that team of no hopers won the NL. It contained Birks and 2 Worralls who are all pretty good riders. About 7 years ago now Scunthrowp had a NL team with Haines, Auty, Woffinden and Richie Dennis in. All 4 set for big things. Dennis sadly didn't seem interested in PL racing while one of them is now a World Champion, another a 5 point EL rider and another has drifted away due to injury but was heading the right way. Which other CL/NL team can claim to have done so much for British youth? I trust Rob Godfrey, he knows what he's doing. If British Speedway had 30 Rob Godfreys (and his team of wonderful support people), 30 Scunthorpe Speedway then IMO we'd be SWC winners in 10 years time and have so many British riders after places in the GPs they'd hate us around the rest of the World. The thing is that it is not financially possible for the other clubs to all do it - they rely on the income generated at the gate. Look through the Stags home fixtures and you will find that just one isn't a double header with the Scorpions. That's almost certainly deliberate because of the standard of the Stags team and it means that you pay for the NL meeting whether you want to or not. Ask yourself how many people would £10 or £12 to go along to watch the kind of team they have put out at a stand alone club like Mildenhall. There's no doubt in my mind that people would see it as nothing less than a training session and rather than watch that they would go elsewhere, with the result that the club would fold. With their policy of double headers that isn't a problem for Scunthorpe. I'm certainly not knocking what Scunny are doing, that's up to them. But to suggest that all the other NL clubs follow the same route would see the stand alones close in no time. The trick is to combine youth development with being attractive enough to pull in the crowds, and Mildenhall are excellent example of that. Jacobs, Bates & Halsey are a top heat leader trio at and then there's Coles, Kingston - who could be a real puller this season - and Mountain. Its hard to say that isn't a development side. Edited March 13, 2014 by Halifaxtiger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 The thing is that it is not financially possible for the other clubs to all do it - they rely on the income generated at the gate. . Although a valid point HT...but three clubs finished the season owing money all over,one looks like gone forever...we're all stand alone teams...so that model of decent riders to generate good gates doesn't always work..a speedway problem in general I guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted March 13, 2014 Report Share Posted March 13, 2014 If the points limit was to be lowered it would be the same for all teams and encourage sides to use up and coming riders. I'm not one for pandering to stand alone clubs and the argument that they have to be competitive to get support, if the points limit is the same for everyone, as it would be then they could still build their sides to win within the lower points limit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Agree with you HT, & can guarantee that I wont be going to Mildenhall when the Saints are due in town. Be interesting to see how long some of the new lads last if they are continually off the pace, & earning hardly any money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Agree with you HT, & can guarantee that I wont be going to Mildenhall when the Saints are due in town.. Your choice,but what an attitude towards the next generation of British riders have you seen any of them ride?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) What would you do with them then? Fight to show they're capable of being heatleaders and helping out the youngesters. Rather than being a reserve who'll score 1 point more than the raw newbies. Edited March 14, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 I think Scunthorpe have their attitude exactly right but can't help a wry smile when I remember Rob Godfrey's criticism of Newport's CL team being to weak after they were whitewashed at Scunthorpe when Newport were a second team and Scunthorpe a stand alone. To be fair a the time he was a new Promoter and from what I've seen his attitude has changed very much for the better since in many ways. Going to one of the amateur meetings at Scunthorpe is an eye opener for anybody like myself who believed that there wasn't enough interest in kids getting into Speedway. The sport is absolutely thriving there so proves that if the opportunity is there to get on a bike on a regular basis kids will jump at it. Knowing the chance is there to move all the way through the leagues can only increase interest more and Scunthorpe has to be one of the most positive things happening in British Speedway. To those who say they won't go to watch them ride I say you're the one's missing out, they might lose but they won't wobble around miles off the pace and the chance to see kids improve year on year shouldn't be missed. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 (edited) have you seen any of them ride?? Its a bit of a long shot, but if there is another Tai in there (or something like) people will be queuing up to see them. If there isn't, they could be a burden to the rest of the league. The way I see it Rob Godfrey considers it far too much of a financial risk to put them on their own, so nearly all their meetings are fixed up as double headers. As such, he won't suffer a hit at the turnstiles but there's a very real possibility that every other club will. Edited March 14, 2014 by Halifaxtiger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted March 14, 2014 Report Share Posted March 14, 2014 Its a bit of a long shot, but if there is another Tai in there (or something like) people will be queuing up to see them. If there isn't, they could be a burden to the rest of the league. The way I see it Rob Godfrey considers it far too much of a financial risk to put them on their own, so nearly all their meetings are fixed up as double headers. As such, he won't suffer a hit at the turnstiles but there's a very real possibility that every other club will. I like to think of it as adding to the product on show but I hppe the Scorpion supporters give them the support. My experience is the Scorpion sipporters leave the stadium after the main event which is sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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