TMW Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I prefer Proud and Stags view point man, you are backtracking and going round in da circles man , NL ain't fer overseas riders end of No not backtracking at all ever heard of the word ........analogy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossy666 Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 (edited) No one has mentioned Steve Jones joining the Stags 2014 as our No1 on a 5.33 averageGood luck Steve.This is going to be a very interesting year,what do u all think. Edited February 28, 2014 by mossy666 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EC Rides Again Posted February 28, 2014 Report Share Posted February 28, 2014 No one has mentioned Steve Jones joining the Stags 2014 as our No1 on a 5.33 averageGood luck Steve.This is going to be a very interesting year,what do u all think.Although I must admit that he wasn't first on my list of experienced riders to lead the new team, Steve was very good in that ill-fated one-off appearance for the Saints a couple of years ago. Will he be riding in the Amateur meeting tomorrow? I'm hoping to get down to the EWR after lunch and see the lads go through their paces. It seems like there are team places up for grabs and the meeting is a final "Boot Camp" to see who will go to the "Live Shows" ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 Josh Bailey and to be fair Danny Phillips unless he is classed as having ridden a season for Scunthorpe. RTD does have some experience but guesting not declared although that was questionable. I suppose it depends on what you are classing as experienced. All the best with your project and hopefully more will follow. It's to be hoped that PL take the bull by the horns to as I think that is where the problem has lay in the past PL or scrap heap and it is notoriously difficult to get a PL spot without the pressures put on reserves by underperforming foreign 2nd strings but the tide is changing. I would take it a step further and allow a certain number of foreign riders in the NL give the Brits a fair playing field could show a few of the overseas riders in a truer reflection :-) I agree, as long as it is no more than one per club. Although the NL is a development league, for at least half of the teams its a business too and its one that has to be viable (or at least with sustainable losses). The introduction of one foreigner can act as a draw card for paying spectators, and I need only to point to Cameron Heeps for that. I know people who went to speedway meeting just to see him ride - a brilliant 15 year old whose reputation was certainly proven by the performances he gave. Putting the foreign riders on a 7.00 average will mean that they don't take the places of British youngsters, more those riders who have been in the NL for years and have made no progress whatsoever (because, lets face it, the league is full of them). As an example (and no offence intended) a young Australian like Brady Kurtz could replace David Mason in the Kent line up. That in no way affects the development of young British riders and will almost certainly lead to more spectators going to meetings. Win win, I'd say. No!!! There are too many in the PL and EL as it is! The NL has been foreigner free for about 3 seasons now (and mostly foreigner free for years before that); its made absolutely no difference to the numbers of foreign riders in the EL & PL. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that having a British only policy in the third tier has encouraged the two more senior leagues to bring British youngsters into their teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 I agree, as long as it is no more than one per club. Although the NL is a development league, for at least half of the teams its a business too and its one that has to be viable (or at least with sustainable losses). The introduction of one foreigner can act as a draw card for paying spectators, and I need only to point to Cameron Heeps for that. I know people who went to speedway meeting just to see him ride - a brilliant 15 year old whose reputation was certainly proven by the performances he gave. Putting the foreign riders on a 7.00 average will mean that they don't take the places of British youngsters, more those riders who have been in the NL for years and have made no progress whatsoever (because, lets face it, the league is full of them). As an example (and no offence intended) a young Australian like Brady Kurtz could replace David Mason in the Kent line up. That in no way affects the development of young British riders and will almost certainly lead to more spectators going to meetings. Win win, I'd say. The NL has been foreigner free for about 3 seasons now (and mostly foreigner free for years before that); its made absolutely no difference to the numbers of foreign riders in the EL & PL. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that having a British only policy in the third tier has encouraged the two more senior leagues to bring British youngsters into their teams. I know you only used it as an example HT but I think Kent missed the experience of Mason when he left and I don't think it was coincidental that they improved massively when he returned. From their point of view how does Kurtz improve the other riders? He may pass on experience etc but even if he ends with a 12.00 average I very much doubt that he will be able to give as much information to Freemantle, Blake and Chessell etc that Mason would. Good luck to Jones. I hope the score he posted in the illegitimate Scunthorpe meeting will be more like his scoring this season as opposed to what he posted for the Islanders. But having said that, he experience will be massively beneficial which is what the management want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halifaxtiger Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 I know you only used it as an example HT but I think Kent missed the experience of Mason when he left and I don't think it was coincidental that they improved massively when he returned. From their point of view how does Kurtz improve the other riders? He may pass on experience etc but even if he ends with a 12.00 average I very much doubt that he will be able to give as much information to Freemantle, Blake and Chessell etc that Mason would. Good luck to Jones. I hope the score he posted in the illegitimate Scunthorpe meeting will be more like his scoring this season as opposed to what he posted for the Islanders. But having said that, he experience will be massively beneficial which is what the management want I am a big supporter of having an experienced rider in the team - it was a bad day when Dean Felton quit. But do you need Mason for that purpose when you have Lambert, Compton (both of whom have been around for 10 years or so) and a team manager who used to be a rider himself ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets Posted March 3, 2014 Report Share Posted March 3, 2014 One foreigner per NL. When Rye signed Jens Rasmussen ( one of my favourite riders by the way) it was said that we would only have one or two foreign riders in the PL - now look! Actually what we should do is artificially inflate british kids prospects by giving them a start rookie average of say one point in the PL providing at least four other team members are british. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Arron Mogridge makes it 4! Leaving it a bit late for the last 3 to prepare aren't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie4388 Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Arron Mogridge makes it 4! Leaving it a bit late for the last 3 to prepare aren't they? Are they? As long as they are lined-up for the first meeting whats it matter? I remember in the Hull days one year they left it till the P&P Day to announce their final rider. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Islander15 Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Are they? As long as they are lined-up for the first meeting whats it matter? I remember in the Hull days one year they left it till the P&P Day to announce their final rider. But that rider would have known he was in the team. The press release suggests they haven't decided who the final 3 are yet so the riders themselves won't know, and in terms of the added costs involved in league racing compared to just practices and second halves I'd have thought the riders would want to know that they have a team place for longer than a couple of weeks before the start of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozzie4388 Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 (edited) I'm sure riders what are just starting out as is the case with the Stags riders, they won't care about when they told they'll just be over the moon that they have a team place surely? Edited March 6, 2014 by Superstar1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Good luck to the Saint they doing a good job with the team they are putting together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted March 6, 2014 Report Share Posted March 6, 2014 Good luck to the Saint they doing a good job with the team they are putting together. It's the stags not saints and would like to see Sam woods given a go at reserve kids a trier and just needs a break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullet Posted March 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 I'm sure riders what are just starting out as is the case with the Stags riders, they won't care about when they told they'll just be over the moon that they have a team place surely? I think its a good thing. The riders have bikes from racing in the amateurs maybe with less time they will concentrate on the racing and learning rather than as too many setting out seem to do and spend everything on shiny new stuff thinking it will automatically make them fast Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montie Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 It's the stags not saints and would like to see Sam woods given a go at reserve kids a trier and just needs a break I hope not--been about a few years and done nowt--year in NL last year,still on a 3 average Dont think he really suits what the Stags are about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molly1 Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Speedway is a 3 year apprenticeship and only racing makes a guy improve as most youngsters practice there own mistakes going round and round nothing wrong with being on a 3 for couple seasons . Yes we have the odd star like ellis but they are few and far between . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 I agree, as long as it is no more than one per club. Although the NL is a development league, for at least half of the teams its a business too and its one that has to be viable (or at least with sustainable losses). The introduction of one foreigner can act as a draw card for paying spectators, and I need only to point to Cameron Heeps for that. I know people who went to speedway meeting just to see him ride - a brilliant 15 year old whose reputation was certainly proven by the performances he gave. Putting the foreign riders on a 7.00 average will mean that they don't take the places of British youngsters, more those riders who have been in the NL for years and have made no progress whatsoever (because, lets face it, the league is full of them). As an example (and no offence intended) a young Australian like Brady Kurtz could replace David Mason in the Kent line up. That in no way affects the development of young British riders and will almost certainly lead to more spectators going to meetings. Win win, I'd say. The NL has been foreigner free for about 3 seasons now (and mostly foreigner free for years before that); its made absolutely no difference to the numbers of foreign riders in the EL & PL. There's absolutely nothing to suggest that having a British only policy in the third tier has encouraged the two more senior leagues to bring British youngsters into their teams. Apart from this year when every EL team will have NL reserves, so they (the NL) must be doing something right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillwhitewasmad Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Last year was his first in the league except a few guest outings and he went straight into the main body of a struggling team on a track that was new to everyone. Spell at reserve would be good for him I thought the idea was to bring riders who show potential Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted March 7, 2014 Report Share Posted March 7, 2014 Give Sam Woods chance now he got good bike he will be alright but hay people moan when british rider are not in the team then people say well let put one in the team u cant win with some people it would seem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
proud panther Posted March 8, 2014 Report Share Posted March 8, 2014 Good luck to the Saints, but feel that they should go with at least 3 riders who are established National League riders. Can see them getting beaten by huge margins, especially away. Must add that their options aren't great with the riders that are still available. Would big Lee Dicken be interested in riding ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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