NTB Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Do you have anything better to do rouge trader than slag Cradley off it's our only team so obviously the management are going to pick the best riders in a attempt to win the league. I applaud Scunthorpe for there efforts in bringing on top riders and hopefully if we get our own stadium we can do the same but for the moment I am grateful to even have a team at all. I am waiting for the usual win at all costs Cradley comments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mimmo Posted February 16, 2014 Report Share Posted February 16, 2014 Fantastic to see Scunthorpe back, as it is a track I always love visiting, and I shall endeavor to make it up there when Stoke are there. As for a team, there are still a few familiar faces to Scunthorpe without a club, and given their aim to bring riders through, it wouldn't surprise me to see a few of them there. I wouldn't be surprised to see them tempt Gary Irving back to the sport, and potentially add Tommy Fenwick after a season out. They may even try and tempt James Birkinshaw back to ride, and have a good top 2 with rookies along the way. Either way, it's good to see one of the better tracks at developing talent back in the NL. Tommy Fenwick has already told me that he doesn't intend racing this year, which is a shame to honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 RYAN MacDonald from Glasgow has become the second rider to be confirmed in the new Scunthorpe Stags National League team. The 19-year-old Scot impressed in the Northern Junior League last season with the most improved rider and is expected to start the campaign wearing the No.2 race-jacket. Chairman Richard Hollingsworth said: “Ryan is more than ready for the National League and has an excellent attitude to his racing. He has invested in decent equipment 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwayfan555 Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 Another promising young signing today. Hopefully more to come! Who do you all want/think the 'experienced number one' will be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted February 20, 2014 Report Share Posted February 20, 2014 RYAN MacDonald from Glasgow has become the second rider to be confirmed in the new Scunthorpe Stags National League team. The 19-year-old Scot impressed in the Northern Junior League last season with the most improved rider and is expected to start the campaign wearing the No.2 race-jacket. Chairman Richard Hollingsworth said: “Ryan is more than ready for the National League and has an excellent attitude to his racing. He has invested in decent equipment I hope Ryan has also signed a Glasgow contract. If not why not? Or is that too much for the promotion to think about? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirtdodger Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 great stuff! I've allways enjoyed watching the youngsters racing,they give it their all for four laps,and of course there is allways the possibility of uncovering stars of the future.congrats to all at E.W.R for making thi happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunty Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 And back to reality once again. Monmore Wood does not exist. You ride at Monmore Green, Wolverhampton. In total agreement, the fans that call it that are just playing on the old days. As much as I love The Heathens I am a fan who is not old enough to remember the Dudley Wood days, I've only ever watched Dudley Heathens till now. I don't mind the name change but wish we would keep our history but look to the now and the future without bringing the 'Gud Ol Days'. I support Cradley Heathens through and through but we ride at Monmore Green our adopted home until we can find our own track and even then I wouldn't want the track to be called Dudley Wood again...why look to a troubled past, I know it has success but it also gave the majority of the fans heartache. Onto the Stags, bit confused by wanting to bring riders through but why not for British Speedway and not just Scunny and Poole? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I guess its worded that way because Scunny and Poole are the ones putting the £'s into the venture. Hopefully Lord Ford's involvement will prevent decent youngsters being lured away from Scunny as they have in the past, although ironically Kyle Howarth was one of the first when he defected from the Saints to Bournemouth! If one or two can graduate from Stags to Scorpions to Pirates to Team GB then everyone's a winner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunty Posted February 21, 2014 Report Share Posted February 21, 2014 I guess its worded that way because Scunny and Poole are the ones putting the £'s into the venture. Hopefully Lord Ford's involvement will prevent decent youngsters being lured away from Scunny as they have in the past, although ironically Kyle Howarth was one of the first when he defected from the Saints to Bournemouth! If one or two can graduate from Stags to Scorpions to Pirates to Team GB then everyone's a winner Yeh fully agree, I love watching NL Speedway and really am thrilled with Devon Devils and Scunthorpe Stages are now involved. As much as many of Cradley Fans want to see the team win and be sucsessful I seriously enjoy watching the young lads enetering the sport and over the season developing into PL riders within one or two years in some cases. I really hope that the EL Draft continues into next year and the supporters of the EL teams enjoy what they have to offer and make the EL a very exciting league to watch. I think the Stags will have the highest average gain in the league this year as Scunny have a great hostory of developing riders! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunny Stag Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I hope Ryan has also signed a Glasgow contract. If not why not? Or is that too much for the promotion to think about? Just to clarify we aren't developing other club's assets any more (with the possible exception of a number one). Ryan needs to be in the NL and we have offered him a team place with him signing for Scunthorpe. We will invest time and money into Ryan (e.g. track time, training and the expenses of running an NL team) and if he makes it we have an asset but so does British (and in this case Scottish) speedway. No disrespect to most clubs in the country but they can't offer this kind of deal/experience. That is why Ryan and others should sign for clubs like Scunthorpe and not their local side. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunny Stag Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I suppose the only thing is if everyone did that then there would be the need for 54 3.00 riders. Are there that many waiting in the wings? because if there are then yes the points limit should be dropped. If the points level was reduced I'm sure every team could have two or three without too much trouble. It would also reduce the costs of running a team and with the increased prospects of actually developing riders might even attract others clubs to run teams. By my fag-packet reckoning the other eight teams only have three untried riders in their lineups so far (Adam Extance, Connor Mountain and Rob Shuttleworth. An absolute travesty in my opinion. Of course you have to remember we won't always have six three-pointers in the team. If we have chosen well several will be riding for us next year. However, I can guarantee we will always have places for new talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 If the points level was reduced I'm sure every team could have two or three without too much trouble. It would also reduce the costs of running a team and with the increased prospects of actually developing riders might even attract others clubs to run teams. By my fag-packet reckoning the other eight teams only have three untried riders in their lineups so far (Adam Extance, Connor Mountain and Rob Shuttleworth. An absolute travesty in my opinion. Of course you have to remember we won't always have six three-pointers in the team. If we have chosen well several will be riding for us next year. However, I can guarantee we will always have places for new talent Josh Bailey and to be fair Danny Phillips unless he is classed as having ridden a season for Scunthorpe. RTD does have some experience but guesting not declared although that was questionable. I suppose it depends on what you are classing as experienced. All the best with your project and hopefully more will follow. It's to be hoped that PL take the bull by the horns to as I think that is where the problem has lay in the past PL or scrap heap and it is notoriously difficult to get a PL spot without the pressures put on reserves by mediocre foreign 2nd strings but the tide is changing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) If the points level was reduced I'm sure every team could have two or three without too much trouble. It would also reduce the costs of running a team and with the increased prospects of actually developing riders might even attract others clubs to run teams. By my fag-packet reckoning the other eight teams only have three untried riders in their lineups so far (Adam Extance, Connor Mountain and Rob Shuttleworth. An absolute travesty in my opinion. Of course you have to remember we won't always have six three-pointers in the team. If we have chosen well several will be riding for us next year. However, I can guarantee we will always have places for new talent Josh Bailey and to be fair Danny Phillips unless he is classed as having ridden a season for Scunthorpe. RTD does have some experience but guesting not declared although that was questionable. I suppose it depends on what you are classing as experienced. All the best with your project and hopefully more will follow. It's to be hoped that PL take the bull by the horns to as I think that is where the problem has lay in the past PL or scrap heap and it is notoriously difficult to get a PL spot without the pressures put on reserves by underperforming foreign 2nd strings but the tide is changing. I would take it a step further and allow a certain number of foreign riders in the NL give the Brits a fair playing field could show a few of the overseas riders in a truer reflection :-) Edited February 24, 2014 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac101 Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 Just to clarify we aren't developing other club's assets any more (with the possible exception of a number one). Ryan needs to be in the NL and we have offered him a team place with him signing for Scunthorpe. We will invest time and money into Ryan (e.g. track time, training and the expenses of running an NL team) and if he makes it we have an asset but so does British (and in this case Scottish) speedway. No disrespect to most clubs in the country but they can't offer this kind of deal/experience. That is why Ryan and others should sign for clubs like Scunthorpe and not their local side. Couldn't have put it better myself Richard and Ryan intends to take full advantage of these facility's and everything that comes along with riding for Scunthorpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted February 24, 2014 Report Share Posted February 24, 2014 I don't blame Scunthorpe but I would blame Glasgow for having no interest in the rider. Ryan was happy to appear at road shows for Glasgow but hey I'm just a supporter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevePark Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Josh Bailey and to be fair Danny Phillips unless he is classed as having ridden a season for Scunthorpe. RTD does have some experience but guesting not declared although that was questionable. I suppose it depends on what you are classing as experienced. All the best with your project and hopefully more will follow. It's to be hoped that PL take the bull by the horns to as I think that is where the problem has lay in the past PL or scrap heap and it is notoriously difficult to get a PL spot without the pressures put on reserves by underperforming foreign 2nd strings but the tide is changing. I would take it a step further and allow a certain number of foreign riders in the NL give the Brits a fair playing field could show a few of the overseas riders in a truer reflection :-) No!!! There are too many in the PL and EL as it is! Edited February 25, 2014 by The Abbott 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Swift Saint Posted February 25, 2014 Popular Post Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 Josh Bailey and to be fair Danny Phillips unless he is classed as having ridden a season for Scunthorpe. RTD does have some experience but guesting not declared although that was questionable. I suppose it depends on what you are classing as experienced. All the best with your project and hopefully more will follow. It's to be hoped that PL take the bull by the horns to as I think that is where the problem has lay in the past PL or scrap heap and it is notoriously difficult to get a PL spot without the pressures put on reserves by underperforming foreign 2nd strings but the tide is changing. I would take it a step further and allow a certain number of foreign riders in the NL give the Brits a fair playing field could show a few of the overseas riders in a truer reflection :-) What a dreadful idea and they will ride for £10 per point? The places in the League have to be for British riders after all it is the National Development League not the International Development League. For too long we have encouraged very average foreign riders the tide is turning and it must not turn back. Whilst I am sure the Elite League introduced the measure of national League reserves to help with costs, British riders benefit with experience and working with top riders close by to guide them. It is a major step forward. It would never be agreed to allow the National League to go back to any overseas riders. Lets not forget we had Aussies and Kiwis once. Nothing against them but those 63 places are to develop our lads and help Brits returning to the sport. It is imperative that they be retained for that purpose. Malcolm Vasey 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scunny Stag Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Josh Bailey and to be fair Danny Phillips unless he is classed as having ridden a season for Scunthorpe. RTD does have some experience but guesting not declared although that was questionable. I suppose it depends on what you are classing as experienced. All the best with your project and hopefully more will follow. It's to be hoped that PL take the bull by the horns to as I think that is where the problem has lay in the past PL or scrap heap and it is notoriously difficult to get a PL spot without the pressures put on reserves by mediocre foreign 2nd strings but the tide is changing. You are right I forgot to include Josh Bailey but Danny had a full season with Scunthorpe in 2012. Of course the league should definitely allow second and third year riders to continue their development. Josh Bailey and to be fair Danny Phillips unless he is classed as having ridden a season for Scunthorpe. RTD does have some experience but guesting not declared although that was questionable. I suppose it depends on what you are classing as experienced. All the best with your project and hopefully more will follow. It's to be hoped that PL take the bull by the horns to as I think that is where the problem has lay in the past PL or scrap heap and it is notoriously difficult to get a PL spot without the pressures put on reserves by underperforming foreign 2nd strings but the tide is changing. I would take it a step further and allow a certain number of foreign riders in the NL give the Brits a fair playing field could show a few of the overseas riders in a truer reflection :-) I like your idea of the PL doing something more for British riders but dislike the idea of introducing foreign riders into the NL What a dreadful idea and they will ride for £10 per point? The places in the League have to be for British riders after all it is the National Development League not the International Development League. For too long we have encouraged very average foreign riders the tide is turning and it must not turn back. Whilst I am sure the Elite League introduced the measure of national League reserves to help with costs, British riders benefit with experience and working with top riders close by to guide them. It is a major step forward. It would never be agreed to allow the National League to go back to any overseas riders. Lets not forget we had Aussies and Kiwis once. Nothing against them but those 63 places are to develop our lads and help Brits returning to the sport. It is imperative that they be retained for that purpose. Malcolm Vasey Well said Malcolm and if the league reduces the points limit so that more spaces are filled by prospects then the resulting cost reduction and increased chance of a club actually finding someone of value then more clubs might enter the league. It is a simple pyramid. The more we attract new talent at the bottom the more Craig Cooks, Worrall brothers and Matt Williamson's the league will find. Is it coincidence that lower budget clubs like Buxton, Kings Lynn and Scunthorpe have found more talent than others over recent years? Edited February 25, 2014 by Scunny Stag 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) I agree with you both in principle. I'm just saying what I would do I'm not saying it should be done. I don't want to name riders as I don't think it's fair but there were some reserves given places last season at reserve in the PL over young British riders who may not have been had they been given a year in the NL. In other words ifMohammed won't come to the mountain but the tide is turning hopefully. If riders aren't going up from the top there is always going to be a section squeezed out.....If I'm honest I'm not the best in expressing myself in the written form so I don't blame you for missing my point Edited February 25, 2014 by TMW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector Austin Posted February 25, 2014 Report Share Posted February 25, 2014 I agree with you both in principle. I'm just saying what I would do I'm not saying it should be done. I don't want to name riders as I don't think it's fair but there were some reserves given places last season at reserve in the PL over young British riders who may not have been had they been given a year in the NL. In other words ifMohammed won't come to the mountain but the tide is turning hopefully. If riders aren't going up from the top there is always going to be a section squeezed out.....If I'm honest I'm not the best in expressing myself in the written form so I don't blame you for missing my point I prefer Proud and Stags view point man, you are backtracking and going round in da circles man , NL ain't fer overseas riders end of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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