Triple.H. Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 What you unsurprisingly fail to comprehend is that SWC meetings are not run on tiddly little trick tracks like Monmore or Kirky Lane. They are ridden on large fast tracks and riders like Cooke wouldn't see Janowski for dust. To compare the two on an international stage shows your lack of knowledge of international speedway. But some international meetings are held on tracks like a ploughed field thats another type of tricktrack. Big mistake by Mr Middleditch in 2013 was he should have stuck with Cookie for meeting at Marketa where gating is so important or used Ben Barker at KL on a track which IMO suits him better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 What you unsurprisingly fail to comprehend is that SWC meetings are not run on tiddly little trick tracks like Monmore or Kirky Lane. They are ridden on large fast tracks and riders like Cooke wouldn't see Janowski for dust. To compare the two on an international stage shows your lack of knowledge of international speedway. You compared the 2 in the EL. If Cooke is awful at Poole, then Janowski is beyond dreadful at Monmore. No one is comparing them on the World stage, or should be. Cook is better in the EL however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 But some international meetings are held on tracks like a ploughed field thats another type of tricktrack. Big mistake by Mr Middleditch in 2013 was he should have stuck with Cookie for meeting at Marketa where gating is so important or used Ben Barker at KL on a track which IMO suits him better. Thats real convienient of you to bring this up after the event. Im sure you'l do exactly the same if Rosco happened to get something wrong,,, won't you... Neil picked the side as he saw it, im very sure you could do better .... not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Thats real convienient of you to bring this up after the event. Im sure you'l do exactly the same if Rosco happened to get something wrong,,, won't you... Neil picked the side as he saw it, im very sure you could do better .... not. I said when Cookie was dropped for the playoff to mates and may have even posted on here that it was a bad decision.Marketa suits gaters Cookie can gate when I got an A in O level maths all those years ago that would have been a CSE algebraic equation.The manager should have taken Cookie its the old problem he aint gonna get experience sat at home. No doubt in a few seasons if Cookie succumbs to the call from the south coast he'll be the greatest signing ever to tbose who worship at The Quayside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Thats real convienient of you to bring this up after the event. Im sure you'l do exactly the same if Rosco happened to get something wrong,,, won't you... Neil picked the side as he saw it, im very sure you could do better .... not. We all picked it up before the event. And that Kennett should never have been picked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 PS like most Oxford supporters I think Rosco is a Tommy Tanker but as I posted earlier on this thread I hope he does ok I like a bit of enthusiasm and I feel he has it in abundance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 Thats real convienient of you to bring this up after the event. Im sure you'l do exactly the same if Rosco happened to get something wrong,,, won't you... Neil picked the side as he saw it, im very sure you could do better .... not. To come behind Latvia and the Usa means that is was almost impossible not to do better . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted January 17, 2014 Report Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) I said when Cookie was dropped for the playoff to mates and may have even posted on here that it was a bad decision.Marketa suits gaters Cookie can gate when I got an A in O level maths all those years ago that would have been a CSE algebraic equation.The manager should have taken Cookie its the old problem he aint gonna get experience sat at home. No doubt in a few seasons if Cookie succumbs to the call from the south coast he'll be the greatest signing ever to tbose who worship at The Quayside To come behind Latvia and the Usa means that is was almost impossible not to do better . To come behind Latvia and the Usa means that is was almost impossible not to do better .Are you that dumb to think that is a certainty? Should it be a certainty? do you believe you have to just turn up and beat these teams.It is not a Devine right of ours to presume we will do so. Edited January 17, 2014 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Are you that dumb to think that is a certainty? Should it be a certainty? do you believe you have to just turn up and beat these teams.It is not a Devine right of ours to presume we will do so. Yes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockets Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Rather than just making one appointment why does nt the bspa set out a blueprint we can follow. For now Rosco is not a bad choice. Phil Morris is the prince waiting in the wings. Phil should have the widest possible mandate and budget to get the next generation through to a world standard. It should be made clear now that unless there is a change of circumstances he will be Roscos successor. Like wise someone maybe even a current rider should be being groomed as Phils successor. As for riders we have to accept the current generation cannot compete at the very top ie top three or four. We have to look at fast tracking some of the talent we have like Garrity and Lambert. Set up test matches for them home and away give them a lions series in OZ find them places in foreign leagues so they can progress on the same playing field as their foreign counterparts. This is what the sky money should have been used for! Rather than just making one appointment why does nt the bspa set out a blueprint we can follow. For now Rosco is not a bad choice. Phil Morris is the prince waiting in the wings. Phil should have the widest possible mandate and budget to get the next generation through to a world standard. It should be made clear now that unless there is a change of circumstances he will be Roscos successor. Like wise someone maybe even a current rider should be being groomed as Phils successor. As for riders we have to accept the current generation cannot compete at the very top ie top three or four. We have to look at fast tracking some of the talent we have like Garrity and Lambert. Set up test matches for them home and away give them a lions series in OZ find them places in foreign leagues so they can progress on the same playing field as their foreign counterparts. This is what the sky money should have been used for! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) Yes . Yes .A team consisting of say? Tai, Cook,Harris,KIng i wouldn't exspect to much from that side.Again results for me are not that important anyway, ok we come fifth so what it is how we try to bridge the gap and bring riders through.Most people would say Rossiters strength is his motivation skills that i am afraid will only take him so far.Forget about winning we need to find a way of bringing riders through who can compete on the world stage easier said than done. Edited January 18, 2014 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Are you that dumb to think that is a certainty? Should it be a certainty? do you believe you have to just turn up and beat these teams.It is not a Devine right of ours to presume we will do so. There's no way on this planet that GB should be losing to the likes of Latvia and USA. That result was inexcusable with the riders we had at our disposal. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 There's no way on this planet that GB should be losing to the likes of Latvia and USA. That result was inexcusable with the riders we had at our disposal.RIght we had plenty to choose from is that right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 RIght we had plenty to choose from is that right? We have plenty more than the likes of USA and Latvia, that's for sure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 We have plenty more than the likes of USA and Latvia, that's for sure.The likes of Kennett,Bridger, King,Barker(ect) are they world class in your opinion?.When you compare the likes of MJJ, Bech, both Pawlicki brothers Dudek just a few examples we are light years behind.The worrying thing is i would not pick any of the old guard just to get short term results Tai and Cook would be my only certain starters, for me it will be interesting the way Rossiter goes about thing,s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Rather than just making one appointment why does nt the bspa set out a blueprint we can follow. For now Rosco is not a bad choice. Phil Morris is the prince waiting in the wings. Phil should have the widest possible mandate and budget to get the next generation through to a world standard. It should be made clear now that unless there is a change of circumstances he will be Roscos successor. Like wise someone maybe even a current rider should be being groomed as Phils successor. As for riders we have to accept the current generation cannot compete at the very top ie top three or four. We have to look at fast tracking some of the talent we have like Garrity and Lambert. Set up test matches for them home and away give them a lions series in OZ find them places in foreign leagues so they can progress on the same playing field as their foreign counterparts. This is what the sky money should have been used for! Rather than just making one appointment why does nt the bspa set out a blueprint we can follow. For now Rosco is not a bad choice. Phil Morris is the prince waiting in the wings. Phil should have the widest possible mandate and budget to get the next generation through to a world standard. It should be made clear now that unless there is a change of circumstances he will be Roscos successor. Like wise someone maybe even a current rider should be being groomed as Phils successor. As for riders we have to accept the current generation cannot compete at the very top ie top three or four. We have to look at fast tracking some of the talent we have like Garrity and Lambert. Set up test matches for them home and away give them a lions series in OZ find them places in foreign leagues so they can progress on the same playing field as their foreign counterparts. This is what the sky money should have been used for! Quite agree with you. Always thought that there should be natural progression through the various managers as long as there were suitable contenders. At the moment with Rosco being the GB manager, why couldn't Phil be his assistant. Phil in turn would be the U21 manager with Neil Vatcher his assistant. Other candidates could be brought in at a level with a view of them being promoted when circumstances dictate it. These later candidates could be taken to big events like the WC as extra assistants to learn the ropes by being given specific roles on the night. It's forward planning, but not as we know it(at the moment). 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattK Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 The likes of Kennett,Bridger, King,Barker(ect) are they world class in your opinion?.When you compare the likes of MJJ, Bech, both Pawlicki brothers Dudek just a few examples we are light years behind.The worrying thing is i would not pick any of the old guard just to get short term results Tai and Cook would be my only certain starters, for me it will be interesting the way Rossiter goes about thing,s. They are not world class, but they should be able to beat the likes of Ricky Wells and Gino Manzares. Yes, we are light years behind Poland, Denmark and even Australia but no one expects us to be competing at the top level. However, we should be easily seeing off the likes of USA and Latvia. The SWC should be your best four riders, not for blooding youngsters. If young riders want to gain experience they should leave the relative comfort of the Premier League and go and fight for a ride in Poland and Sweden. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 agree with both above,i know financially riders want to ride in prem as well, but im not always sure that helps. barker prem average has gone downwards, cook I think, should show more ambition by leaving prem lge, but as I say, I know why they need it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 Apparently Cook tried to get rides in Sweden and Poland but was unsuccessful, partly due to his EL average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 18, 2014 Report Share Posted January 18, 2014 PS like most Oxford supporters I think Rosco is a Tommy Tanker but as I posted earlier on this thread I hope he does ok I like a bit of enthusiasm and I feel he has it in abundance. Still can't turn selling platers into Derby horses, no matter how much enthusiaum you have..Simples... But im affraid people will have to accept the fact that if Rosco does pitch some of these kids in the deep end then you will have to expect them to be tailed off. But im affraid what other choice does Rosco have.. When you think the lads like Cook Worrell Barker Kennet Bridger are still light years away from the Poles Danes Aussie second strings if you like, then you drop down further. So work it out for yourselves. We are miles behind the above, So if anybody expects Rosco and Morris to work wonders and pull bunnies out the hat in 5 minutes they are dreaming. We have just got to accept, we are not good enough, and the best we can hope for is the race off. That said, its now worth mixing the kids and say go out and do your best.. no presure.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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