DutchGrasstrack Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Official calendar and teams:PolandRussiaAustraliaDenmarkSwedenGermanyLatvia28.03 Torun (PL)10.05 Landshut (DE)23.05 Eskilstuna (SE) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severnsider Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Eastbourne v Poole on 10/5 so will Poole get facility for Darcy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunty Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Utter joke that the BSPA keep making the English Channel wider and wider. They don't promote British Speedway they just hinder it, this event will be shown in over 70 countries to millions of people and yet the we don't enter. Why what's the problem of sending riders over there to compete at a very high level. We will be forgotten about soon, we manage to get a British Speedway WORLD champion and yet he's not allowed to promote our sport across the WORLD. Man words don't disgrace how disgruntled I am it this. This is the reason why our World Cup squad is lackluster cause we don't let them race together in meetings like this to gain experience. Yes World Cup is individuals but these events form bonds and partnerships and understanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) Surely there would be little if no impact on the Elite League as the pairs will be on a Saturday, unless as per GPs the riders are required to practice on the Friday? Does anyone know if that's the case? The 3 rounds are on Fridays and Saturdays. Poole are due at Lakeside on 28/3 and Arlington on the 10th May!! Not so worried about the first fixture as its only a challenge - even though Poole might be missing Ward and one/both? of the Poles, but unless the Eastie fixture is moved, there will be some sort of issue to be overcome!! Edited January 23, 2014 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinuteWarning Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 This is nothing to do with the BSPA, surely. It's just an unofficial boring old pairs event (but with decent prize money), so popular a format that only 3 or 4 pairs meetings are held each year in the UK. As long as riders have no official meetings in the UK on those dates, I don't see how the BSPA can stop them accepting a booking for such a meeting. Whether or not they can be called a Great Britain team is not the riders' problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 The 3 rounds are on Fridays and Saturdays. Poole are due at Lakeside on 28/3 and Arlington on the 10th May!! Not so worried about the first fixture as its only a challenge - even though Poole might be missing Ward and one/both? of the Poles, but unless the Eastie fixture is moved, there will be some sort of issue to be overcome!! Sorry I should have been clearer in my post. The only round that affects the Brits in the Elite League is 23/05 when Coventry host Eastie. I don't think there's anything the BSPA can do about other federations sanctioning their riders to take part in this event. Why not let Tai and Bomber contest the 1st and 2nd rounds and then send a substitute for Bomber for the last round. All that's happening here is 2 riders are being prevented from earning some decent money and the BSPA are missing an opportunity to have a British presence on a televised event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted January 23, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Lol, this is a much bigger event, including live coverage on Eurosport in loads of countries .... win win for the speedway fans, surely they can move their meetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 This is nothing to do with the BSPA, surely. It's just an unofficial boring old pairs event (but with decent prize money), so popular a format that only 3 or 4 pairs meetings are held each year in the UK. As long as riders have no official meetings in the UK on those dates, I don't see how the BSPA can stop them accepting a booking for such a meeting. Whether or not they can be called a Great Britain team is not the riders' problem. Is nothing to do with BSPA ?...with whom then ? Polish speedway media are quoting One Sport Company representative as saying : "We have decided that the British Speedway will not participate, and does not approve of this kind of rivalry" – it I said in the (BSPA) response sent to the One Sport. Such a laconic reply surprised the One Sport representatives. - "We received a letter in which one sentence gives a clear BSPA position. That is - not granting permission for British riders to compete in events organized by us … without giving any reason. We talked this morning to Tai Woffinden, his comment regarding this situation is not suitable for citation. For you it might be "an unofficial boring old pair event", it might not be very popular in the UK. Does it mean it should not be promoted elsewhere. Does it mean that British speedway authorities (whoever that might be) have the right to prevent their riders earning money elsewhere. Surely not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) As long as riders have no official meetings in the UK on those dates, I don't see how the BSPA can stop them accepting a booking for such a meeting. By not giving a starting permit. Since the meetings are not under ACU/BSPA the riders need a permit from BSPA/ACU (or whatever the fed they race under) to be eligible to start in a meeting held under any other federation. They cant switch licenses midway through either and can only hold one license per year for one federation/nation. EDIT: They cant do anything to stop Ward riding, if he wants to. THIS ASSUMING his club lets him ride and not look to ban him for withholding his services. Edited January 23, 2014 by f-s-p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinuteWarning Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 . Does it mean that British speedway authorities (whoever that might be) have the right to prevent their riders earning money elsewhere. Surely not. Exactly. We totally agree. They have NO right to prevent riders earning money elsewhere. They can't stop riders taking part in individual, pairs, or team events anywhere in the world, so long as riders are not contracted to ride for their UK teams on those dates. The pairs competition has nothing to do with the FIM, FIM-Europe, or the BSPA as far as I can see. The fact that the prize money is large, or that it is on TV, is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolskiZuzel Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 They can't stop riders taking part in individual, pairs, or team events anywhere in the world, so long as riders are not contracted to ride for their UK teams on those dates. Thanks for clarification. Nothing should then stop Tai and Bomber to ride in the first two rounds and have a substitute for Bomber for the third round as he have to ride for his club on that day. But the BSPA did and the organizers had no option than to ask another nation instead . Which I believe they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedaler Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Eastbourne v Poole on 10/5 so will Poole get facility for Darcy? Lets face it, this Best Pairs event is tailor made for the Turbo Twins. IF Darcy Ward wants to place money and country before Poole Pirates then there would be no "facility" for him, in the same was as there was no facility for Hans Andersen in 2013 when he went to ride in the Euros instead of for Swindon. Poole will have to find a National League guest, and Ward would get a ban of some sorts. So you can imagine Ford now wanting to persuade Cook to postpone the fixture in light of a lack of star attractions and poor value for money for the fans (he does like that one doesn't he?) and you can imagine that Cook will want to take advantage of the best chance of getting a 3-point win over the Pirates for a long time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 The Polish authorities would never prevent a rider from riding in another country just because it may not suit them and thus prevent them from earning money. Oh hang on a minute...... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severnsider Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 10/5 is also date of Czestochowa vs Wroclaw. Will this cause issues for Russian pair 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pedaler Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 10/5 is also date of Czestochowa vs Wroclaw. Will this cause issues for Russian pair Emil is at Torun now, so that's a problem halved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 10/5 is also date of Czestochowa vs Wroclaw. Will this cause issues for Russian pair should imagine that fixture will revert to Sunday 11th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Or maybe the riders everyone thinks are riding, are actually not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Its not as if this Pairs event is new - they ran it last season and it was on Eurosport! Personally I thought it was a total borefest and the commentators struggling to keep any enthusiasm going for the TV viewer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 Its not as if this Pairs event is new - they ran it last season and it was on Eurosport! Personally I thought it was a total borefest and the commentators struggling to keep any enthusiasm going for the TV viewer. It was only one round last year, it's three this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 I agree that last year the Torun pairs meeting was not really exciting to watch on TV, and I struggle to get excited about having three of that kind this year. Surely the Polish Ekstraliga will NOT change their fixtures just to please the organisers of a pairs event in an other country. Substitute riders will have to be used for the pairs event in case of fixtures clashes. After all, this pairs events are no officiall FIM or FIM EUrope event. They are just a series of lucrative and well promoted open meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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