Speedway Best Pairs

[f-s-p]

 

These events have been arranged on dates of existing EL matches AFTER the date for international fixtures to be arragned. Allow a couple of riders to race in the meaningless open meetings and our own domestic league will be missing even more riders from matches than they are now.... something which is the bane of contention for many fans. So the BSPA take action to ensure that problem doesn't get worse and someone like you still moans.

My point exactly, most of it anyway. Thanks.

[pandorum]

 

These events have been arranged on dates of existing EL matches AFTER the date for international fixtures to be arragned. Allow a couple of riders to race in the meaningless open meetings and our own domestic league will be missing even more riders from matches than they are now.... something which is the bane of contention for many fans. So the BSPA take action to ensure that problem doesn't get worse and someone like you still moans.

It's a fair point but not some kind of gospel mate.

I disagree as riders miss matches for plenty of reasons in both our leagues for both meaningful and meaningless fixtures but those definitions are always dependent on your POV.

A meeting that has the line up this pairs competition has can hardly be called meaningless. Maybe you don't care about it but it's hardly that.

 

And I am not moaning simply offering an opinion which differs from yours. Hell it does not bother me a bit as my team dissapeared decades ago but I would like to see the UK back on top

But how will our riders get on riding in just EL and PL. Surely they need to be in among the top boys to learn?

If they can't get into the top leagues these kinds of meetings allow them a chance to pit their skills against the top riders and learn something. Also it gives them a chance to showcase themselves that the ever weaker EL does not.

Take Podzouks the Latvian as an example. He is a decent rider but nothing great. he takes a chance in a meaningless SEC series and shows potential. And perhaps as a result gets a chance in Sweden.

Getting noticed is the first challenge these guys have.

 

It's a shame our leagues are no longer among the top in Europe but that is the reality. For our riders to progress we need to ride outside the UK.

I have argued for us to become insular and just look after our own for a few years but obviously that is not going to happen so in that case we need to ensure out best prospects compete at the top level or what's the point. If that means we end up with a few more guests then it is a price worth paying if those prospects can make a go of it.

We want riders competing in Poland and Sweden. Cook and Worrall to name two should be there NOW!

A competition like this is tailor made for those two to show what they can do. It's 3 meetings and how many clash with fixtures these two are in?

If we want to be back at the top we have to take a chance. There is nothing here that showcases our talent.

 

Excuse me while I laugh at the words 'BSPA' and 'action' in the same sentence

Edited March 30, 2014 by pandorum

[HenryW]

We want riders competing in Poland and Sweden. Cook and Worrall to name two should be there NOW!

A competition like this is tailor made for those two to show what they can do. It's 3 meetings and how many clash with fixtures these two are in?

Craig Cook is scheduled to be racing for Edinburgh on each of the 3 dates that this competitions is being held on.

[BWitcher]

Craig Cook is scheduled to be racing for Edinburgh on each of the 3 dates that this competitions is being held on.

 

That won't effect Pandorums inane ramblings.

[waiheke1]

Tbf, gb surely could have entered a team, but only released riders who didnt hsve a fixture ckadh. So sent cook and worrall for this one, tai and harris for the next etc (examples only havent checked fixtures).

What I would really like the bspa to organize would be ofgicial test series against the likes of aussie and Sweden

[The Pedaler]

Think you're a bit confused as to what this meeting is. It's not a World event, nor a FIM event, nor an ACU recognised event.

 

Complaining that we haven't sent any riders to compete in a Polish company's privately promoted event is a bit like complaining that the Poles haven't sent any riders to compete in the Tyne-Tweed trophy!

 

Last year's GB v Australia test series wasn't a World event, nor a FIM event, nor an event that would financially benefit SpeedwayAustralia. BUT Australia did the BSPA the honour of competing for the benefit of those who profited from it (you guessed it, the BSPA!). It's a shame that when the BSPA are invited to enter a team into someone else's competition they can't also be as gracious, and follow the examples of all the other national governing bodies that did send a team to compete, especially as it was a televised event, broadcast throughout Europe. It makes the BSPA look like what they really are - arrogant and pig ignorant!

[Bostonian]

Just watched the meeting on sky+. Good points where without doubt seeing speedway back on the box! And see some of the top boys going at it. Personally thought some of the races were decent and i thought the Brits would of done ok. Maybe not like the Aussies or Danes but without doubt would of beaten the Latvians and Germans! Swedes looking better than lasts seasons GP's though.

Negatives where the regular mistakes by the commentators. I quiet enjoyed jacks enthusiasm and knowledge but the amount of times he got riders wrong was crazy. Sure he'll get used to all the guys leathers etc for the next round. The other negative has surely got to be the points system! How can you gain more points coming 2nd and 3rd together than being the winner?! Really didn't understand it and thought it totally un-necessary.

[BWitcher]

 

Last year's GB v Australia test series wasn't a World event, nor a FIM event, nor an event that would financially benefit SpeedwayAustralia. BUT Australia did the BSPA the honour of competing for the benefit of those who profited from it (you guessed it, the BSPA!). It's a shame that when the BSPA are invited to enter a team into someone else's competition they can't also be as gracious, and follow the examples of all the other national governing bodies that did send a team to compete, especially as it was a televised event, broadcast throughout Europe. It makes the BSPA look like what they really are - arrogant and pig ignorant!

 

No, this post makes you look like what you are, someone with a vendetta who posts utter drivel over and over.

 

Remind me which country those Australian riders ply their trade in? Remind me which country they rely on to make a career out of the sport?

 

Australia did the honor as they receive reciprocal benefits of their riders riding in the British Leagues.

 

Whereas the reciprocal benefit that OneSport would offer is taking away more dates and more riders from the British Leagues.

[DutchGrasstrack]

Can't believe some of this nonsense which is posted here. One Sport is doing an awesome job and we all know that. LIVE speedway on Eurosport in many many countries. Don't think there are many other big projects which promote speedway in this way.

 

Typical beheavior from the BSPA/ACU (whatever)... it's the same with not bothering to send riders to the FIM Europe meetings. They just can't give a crap about racing abroad, or giving their riders a shot on foreign tracks so the'll get noticed. I'm sure Harris, Woffy, Cook would love to have a go in front of a big crowd, including TV coverage on Eurosport.

Surely 'they' can move a few dates from their leagues around, they do it all the time when it rains or when they can't get their tracks together. Who cares that One Sports entered their dates after the deadline of the international competitions, this is BIG and LIVE, what else do you want?

[The Pedaler]

I'm sure Harris, Woffy, Cook would love to have a go in front of a big crowd, including TV coverage on Eurosport.

 

I'm sure that Woffy, Harris, Cook etc would love a share of the prize money pot too. Darcy and Noddy are £8000 better off EACH thanks to their win. That could rise to £33,000 each if they win the next two rounds, Woffy, as World Champion gets nadda, nothing, ZILCH! thanks to the "wise men" of the BSPA.

 

That's the thanks that the BSPA give to "their" world champion. Yeah right!

[Ghostwalker]

Just watched the meeting on sky+. Good points where without doubt seeing speedway back on the box! And see some of the top boys going at it. Personally thought some of the races were decent and i thought the Brits would of done ok. Maybe not like the Aussies or Danes but without doubt would of beaten the Latvians and Germans! Swedes looking better than lasts seasons GP's though.

Negatives where the regular mistakes by the commentators. I quiet enjoyed jacks enthusiasm and knowledge but the amount of times he got riders wrong was crazy. Sure he'll get used to all the guys leathers etc for the next round. The other negative has surely got to be the points system! How can you gain more points coming 2nd and 3rd together than being the winner?! Really didn't understand it and thought it totally un-necessary.

 

The point system is the same as for other pair events, the idea behind it is is that it should benefit team riding and team work = pair speedway.

The Aussies won because they rode as a team (pair) and not as individualists as Denmark and Russia did.

 

If you look at Nicki ,he raced against his pair mate rather then with him just because Nicki wanted to win and thus the team lost because of it.

It was the same with Russia Emil did nothing to help his team mate and just rode for himself and thus Russia lost because it.

 

 

Can't believe some of this nonsense which is posted here. One Sport is doing an awesome job and we all know that. LIVE speedway on Eurosport in many many countries. Don't think there are many other big projects which promote speedway in this way.

 

Typical beheavior from the BSPA/ACU (whatever)... it's the same with not bothering to send riders to the FIM Europe meetings. They just can't give a crap about racing abroad, or giving their riders a shot on foreign tracks so the'll get noticed. I'm sure Harris, Woffy, Cook would love to have a go in front of a big crowd, including TV coverage on Eurosport.

 

Surely 'they' can move a few dates from their leagues around, they do it all the time when it rains or when they can't get their tracks together. Who cares that One Sports entered their dates after the deadline of the international competitions, this is BIG and LIVE, what else do you want?

 

Also when it comes to speedway In GB there is very few days that does not have a fixture then add the SGP fixtures and SGP qualifications to that and

there is hardly that many available dates remaining. And even if OneSport would have announced their fixtures earlier, would the BSPA have taken them

into consideration when they planned their fixtures? I would think that they wouldn't have done that.

Edited April 1, 2014 by Ghostwalker

[SteveLyric2]

 

I'm sure that Woffy, Harris, Cook etc would love a share of the prize money pot too. Darcy and Noddy are £8000 better off EACH thanks to their win. That could rise to £33,000 each if they win the next two rounds, Woffy, as World Champion gets nadda, nothing, ZILCH! thanks to the "wise men" of the BSPA.

 

That's the thanks that the BSPA give to "their" world champion. Yeah right!

It'll be interesting if Ward races in the next round?! Money or loyalty to his British club contract? Lets see.........!!

[DutchGrasstrack]

Yes or representing his country in front of a huge audience, easy choice tbh.

[f-s-p]

Yes or representing his country in front of a huge audience, easy choice tbh.

I know I cant make you see the other light in all this. But what's his call against representing his country against 28 days ban from withholding services* in the UK and all what comes with that?

 

* = what ever the amount of days7 the current rule currently is.

[DutchGrasstrack]

Hmm good point We'll see what happens, hope to see him in Landshut though

[Ghostwalker]

I know I cant make you see the other light in all this. But what's his call against representing his country against 28 days ban from withholding services* in the UK and all what comes with that?

 

* = what ever the amount of days7 the current rule currently is.

 

But which one of them will loose the most from that? Ward or Poole and if Poole would go ahead with the ban, what are the

likeliness that Ward follows the example of Chris Holder and skips England/Poole completely?

Edited April 1, 2014 by Ghostwalker

[f-s-p]

 

But which one of them will loose the most from that? Ward or Poole and if Poole would go ahead with the ban, what are the

likeliness that Ward follows the example of Chris Holder and skips England/Poole completely?

If I say Ward, you say Poole...

 

I'm not that interested in getting in to that debate with you. But without knowing absolutely EVERYTHING regarding Ward's Poole related sponsorship and rider contract, you cant say Poole would be the biggest loser either...

[BWitcher]

 

But which one of them will loose the most from that? Ward or Poole and if Poole would go ahead with the ban, what are the

likeliness that Ward follows the example of Chris Holder and skips England/Poole completely?

 

It is not up to Poole.

 

Ward has signed a contract. A contract to race for Poole in the Elite League. He has committed to those fixtures. Fixtures in the UK have been arranged where possible around the Official International Speedway calendar.

 

OneSport, in their usual unprofessional way feel they don't have to adhere to normal protocol and arrange meetings after the required date for International meetings.

 

If the BSPA set a precedent and allow riders to swan off to open meetings and ignore the contract they have signed in the EL then it gives open licence to OneSport to arrange more of these meetings whenever they wish (not that they need encouragement) and EL/PL riders to forsake their UK commitments at the drop of a hat.

 

Ward has a choice, as did Holder. If he doesn't wish to race in the UK, nobody is forcing him too. However, he, nor OneSport should be dictating his availability for matches.

 

This is no attack on Darcy Ward, simply he is the example being used.

 

As for British speedway and Australian riders in general.. I wonder how many Australians would have success on the World Stage without the British Leagues.

Edited April 1, 2014 by BWitcher

[pugwash]

 

I'm sure that Woffy, Harris, Cook etc would love a share of the prize money pot too. Darcy and Noddy are £8000 better off EACH thanks to their win. That could rise to £33,000 each if they win the next two rounds, Woffy, as World Champion gets nadda, nothing, ZILCH! thanks to the "wise men" of the BSPA.

 

That's the thanks that the BSPA give to "their" world champion. Yeah right!

What's to stop him riding in the Aussie team?

[Humphrey Appleby]

Also when it comes to speedway In GB there is very few days that does not have a fixture then add the SGP fixtures and SGP qualifications to that and there is hardly that many available dates remaining. And even if OneSport would have announced their fixtures earlier, would the BSPA have taken them into consideration when they planned their fixtures? I would think that they wouldn't have done that.

 

Maybe they would, maybe they wouldn't. The point though, is that all these meetings take up dates and at some point British speedway has to tell riders to make a choice of where they want to race.

 

We've explained many times why British speedway needs to race on different nights, and even if the BEL was able to rationalise down to a couple of days, they'd probably still clash with some of these glorified open meetings that get arranged. Official WC and even EC events are bad enough, without even taking into account private series that get organised at the drop of a hat.

 

This is not being isolationist - it's about the survival of speedway in Britain.