orion Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 A more important question who would win in a fight between them ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 A more important question who would win in a fight between them ? A clean sweep for the World Champ ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 What are you babbling on about again Sidney? It doesn' t matter where you were, in 2013 Woffinden was better than Ward. It matters not one iota how many meetings you attended live, that doesn't change a result anywhere. Woffinden is still World Champion, No 1 in the averages in the EL (ahead of Ward) and well ahead of Ward in the Polish League. I've asked you what relevance to this debate how many 'live meetings' I've been to in the last 2 years has anything to do with it. I can guarantee I have seen Woffinden in live meetings more than you in the last 2 years and I wouldn't be surprised if I have seen Ward more too... but until you give some reason for your question I still fail to see the relevance. I have missed one home meeting in about five years that i think was against Somerset in a challenge have only been to a few away i am not interested as some of the EL tracks are not my cup of tea.I have seen plenty of Ward live to have a OPINION a word you have never grasped do us a favour go and take a chill pill.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 I have missed one home meeting in about five years that i think was against Somerset in a challenge have only been to a few away i am not interested as some of the EL tracks are not my cup of tea.I have seen plenty of Ward live to have a OPINION a word you have never grasped do us a favour go and take a chill pill.! Everyone is quite chilled on this thread bar you. You've once again gone off on some nonsensical rambling about who knows what. A reminder, the thread is about 2013. Not how many matches you've been to in the last 5 years, not who you think is better in 2014. The facts show us Woffinden was better than Ward in 2013. Simples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Everyone is quite chilled on this thread bar you. You've once again gone off on some nonsensical rambling about who knows what. A reminder, the thread is about 2013. Not how many matches you've been to in the last 5 years, not who you think is better in 2014. The facts show us Woffinden was better than Ward in 2013. Simples. Never known facts to govern opinions, why should it start now....... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Never known facts to govern opinions, why should it start now....... . You must not live in an adult world then.. I'll try going into a work meeting with an 'opinion' that an idea of mine will make the company a fortune... when they ask me to explain why and back it up I'll just stamp my feet and say it's my opinion.. I wonder how successful I will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stratton Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) You must not live in an adult world then.. I'll try going into a work meeting with an 'opinion' that an idea of mine will make the company a fortune... when they ask me to explain why and back it up I'll just stamp my feet and say it's my opinion.. I wonder how successful I will be. The difference is you can have a adult debate with GRW , we don't always agree but the respect is there and the debate is fun you should try it sometime. Edited January 15, 2014 by sidney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Who was the best rider in 2013 is an opinion not fact. An opinion without facts to back it up is almost worthless. To me, omly two riders can have a decent argument made for being best I tbe world in 2013. One is tai, who I and I suspect 90 per cent of people, would choose. The other is hampel, who has some claim to being statistically the best ridrr in 2013. Yet to see a decent argument in favour of anyone else 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) The difference is you can have a adult debate with GRW , we don't always agree but the respect is there and the debate is fun you should try it sometime. I do love you Sidney Who was the best rider in 2013 is an opinion not fact. An opinion without facts to back it up is almost worthless. To me, omly two riders can have a decent argument made for being best I tbe world in 2013. One is tai, who I and I suspect 90 per cent of people, would choose. The other is hampel, who has some claim to being statistically the best ridrr in 2013. Yet to see a decent argument in favour of anyone else But how many LIVE meetings did you go to? Edited January 15, 2014 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 One. And darcy was better than tai at that meeting. But hampel won it, even though darcy was arguably the best rider on the night. So ive changed my mind, and my vote for best rider goes to Jason bunyan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 You must not live in an adult world then.. I'll try going into a work meeting with an 'opinion' that an idea of mine will make the company a fortune... when they ask me to explain why and back it up I'll just stamp my feet and say it's my opinion.. I wonder how successful I will be. I was of the impression the forum was based on people ideas and opinions. They will never all agree. When you talk about a work situation, that's totally different. If you were then ask an opinion, I would assume you are a professional, one that was experienced and somebody who would take all your knowledge on board to give a structure response. Some times Facts are not available to substantiate your opinion, sometimes they are. I class myself as an educated person, who was involved with higher management for some years before I retired. Sometimes FACTs point to an obvious answer. I don't always like to except the obvious. Opinions are what separates us into individuals. No way can they all be the same........ Yeah I agree that Tai was the top rider last year, but why is the thread comparing him with Darcy. I thought Hampel and Niels done better than Ward. ( My opinion).. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted January 15, 2014 Report Share Posted January 15, 2014 Some discussions - primarily those about the future - will be basier around subjective opinions, ideally based on some logical and defendible argument. However one would expect a discussion about past events to be centred on opinions that can be 90 % defended based on facts. So a discussion on best rider in 2013 id expect to be focused on fact based arguments. Who will be the biggest best in 2014 I would expect to b based on subjective arguments and opinions, with potentially some reference to past performance as a basis for expectations around future performance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Correct it is about opinions this forum but surely if you have an opinion you have to have some facts to back it up. I can take the argument for Hampel but Ward there is no reason what so ever to say he was the best last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 The difference is you can have a adult debate with GRW , we don't always agree but the respect is there and the debate is fun you should try it sometime. :rofl: . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Share Posted January 16, 2014 Lets not rule out Rory Schlein from this 'debate'. He did win the ELRC series of match races after all!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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