dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 I take your point but at the end of the day there is only one sticking point to not allowing a Tier 5 application and that is the BSPA all they have to do is say yes. Doyle and Davies are riders that bring something to the table, they are not 3pt chancers. So I ask again what is the reason for turning them down on a, perfectly acceptable to the border agency, Tier 5? I'm starting to think there's some self interest operating on the management committee, heaven forbid! One point Id say is relevant is that about in order for a rider on a tier 5 visa to compete then ALL clubs would have to obtain a tier 5 licence regardless of whether they themselves have a rider on that visa. Presumably this comes at some cost and so you can understand clubs saying no - unless Somerset and the others are going to fund all 23 licences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Think there will be over 20 aussies needing visas this year. Why is it that because 5 can't do what's required, the rules need to be bent to allow them to ride? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostylion Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 Think there will be over 20 aussies needing visas this year. Why is it that because 5 can't do what's required, the rules need to be bent to allow them to ride? so you know that for a fact then ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 so you know that for a fact then ? Which bit? 20 Aussies wanting to ride? 5 failing? Seems about right to me so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Skid Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 And if all else fails anyone can signed Czechs these days Or if they were riding in Scotland they'd want some 'Pay Pal' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brujas Espanolas Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Len Silver talking about Tyson: “So we had no reason to think that it was anything more than a "rubber stamp" issue. We were not informed of a new edict issued from the Australian side which stated that there must be a twelve month gap between trips to UK under that particular sponsorship scheme. Alex Harkness ".........We told everyone a year ago , don't let them go home until they've renewed their visa. Unfortunately, some people didn't listen. The situation they find themselves in is self inflicted in every case...........Every club was told what they had to do several times and, unfortunately, we are in this position because they didn't do it........." So is Uncle Len a forgetful old duffer? Is Harkness telling porkies? You pays yer money!!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Len Silver talking about Tyson: “So we had no reason to think that it was anything more than a "rubber stamp" issue. We were not informed of a new edict issued from the Australian side which stated that there must be a twelve month gap between trips to UK under that particular sponsorship scheme. Alex Harkness ".........We told everyone a year ago , don't let them go home until they've renewed their visa. Unfortunately, some people didn't listen. The situation they find themselves in is self inflicted in every case...........Every club was told what they had to do several times and, unfortunately, we are in this position because they didn't do it........." So is Uncle Len a forgetful old duffer? Is Harkness telling porkies? You pays yer money!!!!!!! I would very much doubt that Harkess is wrong, it looks like the majority did the right thing and have no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robinh88 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I have been viewing the Visa situation with close interest. As per usual it doesn't seem clear rather a dark shade of grey. I certainly don't claim to know the rules but how come some Austrailians are affected and others don't seem to be? Why are certain clubs announcing riders and in Doyle's case nothing on the Somerset website even putting supporters in the picture. Why don't we have somebody who can deal with the applications? Aussies although our big rivals have served British Speedway rather well and hopefully will continue too. Any more episodes like this and they may seek other meetings in Poland, Germany etc At Berwick for example I will be very suprised if Wethers and Doolan miss any matches, Kus and Bellego on the other hand... to be continued To summarise as well as these guys losing big income that may force them to retire. The paying fan who actually knows about the Sport and seeing the best product, gets seen off. Sorry but when Somerset come knocking I don't really want to see a 7 point man replacing a 10 point man. It may be an easier win for the home team but overall IT IS NOT giving fans value for money. I don't expect clubs should lower admission costs as a result why should they? It isn't there fault but we've got Edinburgh on the case. Are they going to break there backs trying to get a soloution for other clubs when Sam Masters was refused entry last campaign? Speedway in this country shoots itself in the foot again... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruffdiamond Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Maybe what's happened has come about because of publc pressure, about the number of foreigners coming over and stealing our jobs and abusing our benefits system !!! The Government has said that it will have tighter control on imigration, and maybe they have, and starting in alphabetical order are being seen to be doing something, and obviously Austrailian's are getting looked at early. The other man must be looking at Afghanistan, :-)... Which, might be handy if your from Poland, or Romania and you could be way down the que,,, and if your Ukrainian, your just laughing all the way,,, just a thought, lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 It's all about the government trying to doctor immigration figures so they can claim that immigration is down. the can't do anything about immigrants coming on from Europe and they can't get rid of illegal immigrants, so they penalise the people who try to do things legitimately such as speedway riders and people who are married to foreign nationals. It's not speedway's fault, although the new rules were in place last year and riders missed out so the clubs and riders should have been on the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekimba Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Maybe what's happened has come about because of publc pressure, about the number of foreigners coming over and stealing our jobs and abusing our benefits system !!! The Government has said that it will have tighter control on imigration, and maybe they have, and starting in alphabetical order are being seen to be doing something, and obviously Austrailian's are getting looked at early. The other man must be looking at Afghanistan, :-)... Which, might be handy if your from Poland, or Romania and you could be way down the que,,, and if your Ukrainian, your just laughing all the way,,, just a thought, lol This has nothing to do with immigration, the Aussies are only wanting a work visa are they not ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
refereerick Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I can't see what this has to do with clubs or the BSPA. The riders are self employed and look after themselves, if they can't sort things out its nobodys fault but their own. If you lived in the midlands and work in London would you expect the company you work for to look at the train timetables for you and book you a seat? Being self employed means you have to look after yourself, after the problems Sam Masters had last season you would have thought the riders would have been a bit more diligent. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I can't see what this has to do with clubs or the BSPA. The riders are self employed and look after themselves, if they can't sort things out its nobodys fault but their own. If you lived in the midlands and work in London would you expect the company you work for to look at the train timetables for you and book you a seat? Being self employed means you have to look after yourself, after the problems Sam Masters had last season you would have thought the riders would have been a bit more diligent. Have to agree with you,it's their profession they should be keeping their eye on the ball after the Masters and Campton situation last year.Rule changes are a poor excuse if it's how you make your living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 (edited) Basically, it's a professional sports thats so professional that while on average each team signs one work permit rider each they don't all know what is needed to sign a work permit rider. Amazing. Edited January 31, 2014 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george.m Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 This subject is already being discussed on a thread in Speedway and News Discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger MARTIN Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 This is all to do with thick Australians not looking into the rules, now what they are doing is passing the buck onto the BSPA and hope they can get them somethings they should have got sorted before they went back back home, after the season finished, its great to see riders like Doyle, Davies and Nelson in this Country riding, but this is all down to them, END OF ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 I have been viewing the Visa situation with close interest. As per usual it doesn't seem clear rather a dark shade of grey. I certainly don't claim to know the rules but how come some Austrailians are affected and others don't seem to be? Why are certain clubs announcing riders and in Doyle's case nothing on the Somerset website even putting supporters in the picture. Why don't we have somebody who can deal with the applications? Aussies although our big rivals have served British Speedway rather well and hopefully will continue too. Any more episodes like this and they may seek other meetings in Poland, Germany etc At Berwick for example I will be very suprised if Wethers and Doolan miss any matches, Kus and Bellego on the other hand... to be continued To summarise as well as these guys losing big income that may force them to retire. The paying fan who actually knows about the Sport and seeing the best product, gets seen off. Sorry but when Somerset come knocking I don't really want to see a 7 point man replacing a 10 point man. It may be an easier win for the home team but overall IT IS NOT giving fans value for money. I don't expect clubs should lower admission costs as a result why should they? It isn't there fault but we've got Edinburgh on the case. Are they going to break there backs trying to get a soloution for other clubs when Sam Masters was refused entry last campaign? Speedway in this country shoots itself in the foot again... Has it? It'll carry on whether a small number of Australians give it a miss or not. The riders in question are at fault, others followed the advice given, in regard to when and how to apply, and they haven't had problems. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piston197 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 Maybe, they just see speedway riders coming to this country are likely to need the benefits of our NHS system, maybe they will be insisting on seeing their private health insurance paperwork before putting them in the ambulance, it gets more like America every day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 In the rest of the Harkness article in the SS, he states that one of the issues with a tier 5 visa request is that they will not be considered if a tier 2 visa has been previously refused as part of the process. Meetings with the UKBA are being attempted to see if any of this can be overturned - specifically for speedway riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 31, 2014 Report Share Posted January 31, 2014 could be some thing to do with a certain aussie coming to the uk last season on anon working visa and the blew it all by working and appearing on tv and GETTING PAID FOR IT. then buggering back to aus before the end of the season . this could be making it hard for any aussies trying to get the proper WORKING visa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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