The White Knight Posted January 11, 2014 Report Share Posted January 11, 2014 Whether he won the Aussie Championship, or was in the first 4 of State championships, only entitles him to qualify to apply for entry with a Visa. What would happen if he did get win the Aussie championship and failed on other personal grounds/history. Hypothetical of course. Had he come from Bulgaria or Romania Pakistan or India - he would have got in no problem. Ooops!!! :o 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryW Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Had he come from Bulgaria or Romania Pakistan or India - he would have got in no problem. Ooops!!! :o Really? You decided to take the discussion there? Fair enough...As you did, let's be clear. Bulgaria or Romania, yes he would get in no problem. We have a reciprocal arrangement for free labour movement with both of those countries. Pakistan or India, no he would face exactly the same issue. Having said all this, I am pretty sure you knew it already and so I am slightly confused as to why you felt the need to make the statement that you did... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Really? You decided to take the discussion there? Fair enough...As you did, let's be clear. Bulgaria or Romania, yes he would get in no problem. We have a reciprocal arrangement for free labour movement with both of those countries. Pakistan or India, no he would face exactly the same issue. Having said all this, I am pretty sure you knew it already and so I am slightly confused as to why you felt the need to make the statement that you did... No explanation necessary - others seem to have got my Point perfectly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur cross Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 (edited) While I can understand it needing to be the clubs themselves that sponsor the individual visa applications, I'm still surprised there doesn't seem to be much evidence of any collective advice from either the BSPA or someone at the Australian end of things like their World Cup manager Mark Lemon. It seems to be left almost entirely to the individual Australians to sort out everything within their visa applications except getting the covering sponsorship note from a club they're due to ride for ... at that point, it clearly becomes a huge advantage for any younger Aussies to have an older rider mentoring them as they're then more likely to be warned about sorting out their visa application in good time. But if there was someone either at the BSPA or like Lemo who was well-advertised as able to give general advice on these visa applications, I'm sure it would save quite a few of the hassles rumbling around at the moment ... what's more, once such collective help gets properly established, it soon becomes easier for new problems to be solved quicker by adapting the experience of dealing with similar previous cases. In the meantime, I can't help wondering if some of the current hassles could have been avoided with a better supply of up-to-date information to the Australian riders midway through last season. Edited January 12, 2014 by arthur cross Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 While I can understand it needing to be the clubs themselves that sponsor the individual visa applications, I'm still surprised there doesn't seem to be much evidence of any collective advice from either the BSPA or someone at the Australian end of things like their World Cup manager Mark Lemon. It seems to be left almost entirely to the individual Australians to sort out everything within their visa applications except getting the covering sponsorship note from a club they're due to ride for ... at that point, it clearly becomes a huge advantage for any younger Aussies to have an older rider mentoring them as they're then more likely to be warned about sorting out their visa application in good time. But if there was someone either at the BSPA or like Lemo who was well-advertised as able to give general advice on these visa applications, I'm sure it would save quite a few of the hassles rumbling around at the moment ... what's more, once such collective help gets properly established, it soon becomes easier for new problems to be solved quicker by adapting the experience of dealing with similar previous cases. In the meantime, I can't help wondering if some of the current hassles could have been avoided with a better supply of up-to-date information to the Australian riders midway through last season. Careful AC - that smacks of common sense. Good Post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Careful AC - that smacks of common sense. Good Post. The Australian Speedway Board should be investigating the process and advising the riders. They are the rules of entry to the UK and shouldn't be an overhead to the BSPA. Obviously if individual clubs choose to invest in the process that's fine; but as a collective (i.e all Australian riders) then their own board should be making sure their riders understand the process. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Potter 2 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 It might have been asked on here before, but do they have to have the same Visa to ride in Poland, Denmark, Sweden or any other members of the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 It might have been asked on here before, but do they have to have the same Visa to ride in Poland, Denmark, Sweden or any other members of the EU? As far as i know, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMW Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 It might have been asked on here before, but do they have to have the same Visa to ride in Poland, Denmark, Sweden or any other members of the EU? I doubt it. They will all have different rules for current & ex colonies/protectorates etc...They will also have different skill shortages. I doubt a UK visa would give them rights to work in the other countries or vice verse with exception of countries in the Schengen agreement, of which the UK is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 As far as i know, yes. Well you'd be wrong then. Thats a shock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arthur cross Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 The Australian Speedway Board should be investigating the process and advising the riders. They are the rules of entry to the UK and shouldn't be an overhead to the BSPA. Obviously if individual clubs choose to invest in the process that's fine; but as a collective (i.e all Australian riders) then their own board should be making sure their riders understand the process. It might be hard to believe to the British members of this forum but, as far as I'm aware, Motorcycling Australia regard speedway with even less enthusiasm (compared to road/circuit racing) than seems to be the case with the Auto Cycle Union's almost non-existent attitude to British speedway ... hence why I included someone like Mark Lemon as an Australian speedway figurehead in my earlier post rather than including Motorcycling Australia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theknow 2 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 The Aussies are making it harder for us to go and work there so why shouldnt we do the same. This covers all trades and not just speedway. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Aussie Team manager Mark Lemon has tweeted' more doom and gloom on the visa issue' today!!! I wonder who that affects now??! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catch Me If You Can Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Aussie Team manager Mark Lemon has tweeted' more doom and gloom on the visa issue' today!!! I wonder who that affects now??! Sounds maybe like Mr Doyle? To be honest UKBA need to take long hard look at things Why stop our colonial cousins from coming and working here when any tom dick or harry from some obscure EU country seems to walk in? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Sounds maybe like Mr Doyle? To be honest UKBA need to take long hard look at things Why stop our colonial cousins from coming and working here when any tom dick or harry from some obscure EU country seems to walk in? Especially when we sent some of their forefathers to Australia in the first place. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanF Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 I'm surprised the Australian authorities or the riders themselves don't hire an immigration attorney to handle all the applications centrally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The White Knight Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Sounds maybe like Mr Doyle? To be honest UKBA need to take long hard look at things Why stop our colonial cousins from coming and working here when any tom dick or harry from some obscure EU country seems to walk in? Because thee Politicians prefer 'Pickpockets' or 'Scratters' to come from the bl**dy European Union rather than Speedway Riders - that's why. :mad: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Sounds maybe like Mr Doyle? To be honest UKBA need to take long hard look at things Why stop our colonial cousins from coming and working here when any tom dick or harry from some obscure EU country seems to walk in? Certainly seems they have their priorities wrong.I mean what does the country need more,thousands of poorly paid workers to do jobs not many others want to do......or a few Australian speedway riders?crazy eh!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 20, 2014 Report Share Posted January 20, 2014 Because thee Politicians prefer 'Pickpockets' or 'Scratters' to come from the bl**dy European Union rather than Speedway Riders - that's why. :mad: There are a few Speedway Riders who have 'picked my pocket' over the years!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenga Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 so scotland are trying to move away from the uk and become its own country. will riders have to apply for a work permit(visa) to work in scotland and will the scottish riders have to apply for a work permit to ride in the uk. and have passports to present to the border agencies ..will the fans on both sides of the wall have to have passports, as if they were travelling abroad. sorry if its been posted befoe, but c.b.a. to look it up... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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